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Post by 4real on Jan 24, 2024 3:52:57 GMT -5
After all the talk about Margot being left out of the best Actress nominees who should have been left out of the nominees to make way for her?
I haven’t seen any of these movies or Barbie so I can’t judge but saying she should have been nominated over the 5 actresses that were devalues their performances a bit.
Or is it just because Gosling was nominated and she wasn’t?
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Post by Duke Cameron on Jan 24, 2024 4:04:04 GMT -5
There's no defending Gerwig not getting a Best Director. Artistically, I don't see how what she achieved is anything short of absolutely mastery of the medium. The style, the pacing, what she brought out of the actors, the world she created even the nod to classic cinema that the academy usually adores - on top of that the impact of being *the* event movie of the year that did so much for the industry over the summer - absolutely none of that happens without Gerwig. That kind of on-screen-to-real-life phenomenon transcends on-screen direction. Like James Cameron with Avatar or Spielberg with Jurassic Park. Robbie definitely deserved a best actress nod too. As for "Best Adapted Screenplay" - what the f*** is is adapted from? I get that potential nominees are submitted for consideration based on what they think they're most likely to win, but goddamn. Gerwig/Robbie's snubbing just shows how deep the Academy's misogyny goes. Additionally, I hate how this has now framed the Best Original Song category, creating "I'm Just Ken" vs "What Was I Made For" in the discourse pitting 'Barbie' reception interpretations against itself and making the equally great other nominees seem like a further indictment if they win. The Jon Batiste/Dan Wilson song could walk away with it and, while I lean Eilish, I think it would be a deserving win - I just hate to see it in this kind of shadow. Not sure how Margot being left out of Best Actress, a category with all women nominees can be misogynistic. If she gets in, who of the other five gets pushed out and how fair is it to that person?
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Post by Duke Cameron on Jan 24, 2024 4:06:08 GMT -5
After all the talk about Margot being left out of the best Actress nominees who should have been left out of the nominees to make way for her? I haven’t seen any of these movies or Barbie so I can’t judge but saying she should have been nominated over the 5 actresses that were devalues their performances a bit. Or is it just because Gosling was nominated and she wasn’t? Thing is, Margot is nominated. She’s listed as a producer on Barbie. She walks away with an Oscar if Barbie wins best picture.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jan 24, 2024 4:11:43 GMT -5
After all the talk about Margot being left out of the best Actress nominees who should have been left out of the nominees to make way for her? I haven’t seen any of these movies or Barbie so I can’t judge but saying she should have been nominated over the 5 actresses that were devalues their performances a bit. It does. That's the thing though, Gladstone, Stone, and Huller absolutely crushed it and were locks with some the elite performances of the year. So it comes down to Mulligan or Bening. I haven't seen Nyad, so can't judge on Bening, who seems to be the odd one out. Mulligan didn't blow me away but kinda felt like she was getting nominated the second that movie was made lol. I feel like even if you replace one of those, you could still make a case for someone like Greta Lee anyway.
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Post by chazraps on Jan 24, 2024 5:18:21 GMT -5
There's no defending Gerwig not getting a Best Director. Artistically, I don't see how what she achieved is anything short of absolutely mastery of the medium. The style, the pacing, what she brought out of the actors, the world she created even the nod to classic cinema that the academy usually adores - on top of that the impact of being *the* event movie of the year that did so much for the industry over the summer - absolutely none of that happens without Gerwig. That kind of on-screen-to-real-life phenomenon transcends on-screen direction. Like James Cameron with Avatar or Spielberg with Jurassic Park. Robbie definitely deserved a best actress nod too. As for "Best Adapted Screenplay" - what the f*** is is adapted from? I get that potential nominees are submitted for consideration based on what they think they're most likely to win, but goddamn. Gerwig/Robbie's snubbing just shows how deep the Academy's misogyny goes. Additionally, I hate how this has now framed the Best Original Song category, creating "I'm Just Ken" vs "What Was I Made For" in the discourse pitting 'Barbie' reception interpretations against itself and making the equally great other nominees seem like a further indictment if they win. The Jon Batiste/Dan Wilson song could walk away with it and, while I lean Eilish, I think it would be a deserving win - I just hate to see it in this kind of shadow. Not sure how Margot being left out of Best Actress, a category with all women nominees can be misogynistic. If she gets in, who of the other five get pushed out and how fair is to that person? Because the subject matter of the film makes the misogynistic voters uncomfortable and unable to recognize the performance for how outstanding it was, that's how.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jan 24, 2024 5:46:23 GMT -5
Not sure how Margot being left out of Best Actress, a category with all women nominees can be misogynistic. If she gets in, who of the other five get pushed out and how fair is to that person? Because the subject matter of the film makes the misogynistic voters uncomfortable and unable to recognize the performance for how outstanding it was, that's how. At least three of the actresses in the category are in films with feminist subject matter that are just as strong (imo stronger) than Barbie’s and largely acknowledged as better performances so I don’t think that holds up. Is your grief that she wasn’t nominated? If so I can understand that, she was just never going to win the field is too strong. How many of the five movies nominated have you seen?
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 24, 2024 5:48:12 GMT -5
Not sure how Margot being left out of Best Actress, a category with all women nominees can be misogynistic. If she gets in, who of the other five get pushed out and how fair is to that person? Because the subject matter of the film makes the misogynistic voters uncomfortable and unable to recognize the performance for how outstanding it was, that's how. Her performance and the movie were alright, but I don’t feel her Barbie was some unbelievably godlike performance . The Academy has always loved uncommon narratives, which is why I wasn’t shocked at all that one year Moonlight beat La La Land. If anything, the feminist tone of Barbie *helped* it with awards voters.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jan 24, 2024 6:13:48 GMT -5
All this aside Killers is the best movie I’ve seen in ages and generational but understand why it will lose out on everything. It’s an Oppenheimer sweep. (I love Oppenheimer) I really hope Gladstone gets it, not just so the movie can walk away with something but because she truly acts her ass off in it. She’s going against Leo being Leo and De Niro deciding to drop one of the most haunting performances in his bag of all time. (The face she makes during a reveal at the end is next level). And still makes it her movie.
Emma Stome has a reaaaly strong chance tho, she’s just going nuts in a movie that demands over the top emotion.
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Post by Rumble McSkirmish on Jan 24, 2024 6:17:35 GMT -5
I mean to be fair Nolan is pretty much a dead cert to win Best Director no matter whom he's up against, being he's one of the last prestige film makers to have not won that honor yet.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jan 24, 2024 8:40:25 GMT -5
I mean to be fair Nolan is pretty much a dead cert to win Best Director no matter whom he's up against, being he's one of the last prestige film makers to have not won that honor yet. Nolan has is it pretty much locked up. Oppy will sweep every major category it has a play in, likely. There’s the odd chance the Academy split best director and picture but as much as I’d love it I really doubt it.
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Post by salz4life on Jan 24, 2024 10:24:19 GMT -5
The one thing I want to bring up about Margot being left off the Best Actress nominees.... I think she might've "suffered" from the fact that, at least in my opinion, the entire case of females doing such a great job that I think as good as she did, the rest of the cast was just as good. It may have overshadowed her performance and that could've cost her. I think the males did a great job as well, but Gosling stood out, IMO. I don't know.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jan 24, 2024 10:26:41 GMT -5
Not sure how Margot being left out of Best Actress, a category with all women nominees can be misogynistic. If she gets in, who of the other five get pushed out and how fair is to that person? Because the subject matter of the film makes the misogynistic voters uncomfortable and unable to recognize the performance for how outstanding it was, that's how. I'd argue as a feminist piece Barbie semi-failed and Ken had the better arc and story. I dunno if that was studio mandated but that's my opinion on it. I felt Gosling gave the best performance in the whole film. I can't think of anyone to sub out of the best actress race, (my pick would be Annette Benning if I had to make a choice.) I hope Gladstone wins as I find Flowers a more compelling movie either way with a subject that's way more uncomfortable than Barbie could ever dream of.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jan 24, 2024 10:27:56 GMT -5
The one thing I want to bring up about Margot being left off the Best Actress nominees.... I think she might've "suffered" from the fact that, at least in my opinion, the entire case of females doing such a great job that I think as good as she did, the rest of the cast was just as good. It may have overshadowed her performance and that could've cost her. I think the males did a great job as well, but Gosling stood out, IMO. I don't know. That's where I stand on it. The movie as a whole, Ken had the more compelling arc and Margot was good but not great compared to some of the performances on the list.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Jan 24, 2024 10:48:00 GMT -5
I mean to be fair Nolan is pretty much a dead cert to win Best Director no matter whom he's up against, being he's one of the last prestige film makers to have not won that honor yet. Nolan has is it pretty much locked up. Oppy will sweep every major category it has a play in, likely. There’s the odd chance the Academy split best director and picture but as much as I’d love it I really doubt it. I’d really like to see Paul Giamatti win best actor.
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 24, 2024 10:51:56 GMT -5
Zack Snyder needs to win Best Actor for his portrayal of a director that thinks his crap is Oscar Worthy.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 24, 2024 11:22:37 GMT -5
Like, there is no big anti-Barbie conspiracy. The Ben Shapiros and outrage channels complaining about it are outliers, it’s widely been praised across the board for its look at gender roles. I see more articles with Barbie fans moaning about the Barbie-hating grumps and pointing them out.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jan 24, 2024 11:44:04 GMT -5
Like, there is no big anti-Barbie conspiracy. The Ben Shapiros and outrage channels complaining about it are outliers, it’s widely been praised across the board for its look at gender roles. I see more articles with Barbie fans moaning about the Barbie-hating grumps and pointing them out. Barbie united a lot. Anyone taking it too seriously like Shapiro got laughed at.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jan 24, 2024 11:50:29 GMT -5
Like, there is no big anti-Barbie conspiracy. The Ben Shapiros and outrage channels complaining about it are outliers, it’s widely been praised across the board for its look at gender roles. I see more articles with Barbie fans moaning about the Barbie-hating grumps and pointing them out. I view Barbie as the Top Gun Maverick of last year. (Ultra popular movie that gets a BP nomination but shut out of directing and main actor categories.) If there was a conspiracy "what I was made for" wouldn't get the nod and Barbie wouldn't be in the BP nomination.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Jan 24, 2024 11:56:49 GMT -5
I automatically associate Gosling with Drive and La La Land whenever I see him, but I’m pretty certain he’s Ken to much of the zeitgeist now. LARS AND THE REAL GIRL and THE BELIEVER for me. Blade runner, The place beyond the pines, blue valentine, the nice guys..list goes on.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Jan 24, 2024 14:01:05 GMT -5
Can’t believe how many of the best film nominees still aren’t available on streaming and are still only in theaters. Usually like to watch all the films nominated for best picture before the awards so I can judge for myself, but that’s a little hard right now with only about 3 currently being on streaming services.
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