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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 25, 2024 18:47:30 GMT -5
Always knew Vince was a f***ing weird dude, seemed to have an obsession with toilet humour and wanted to run an incest angle with his own daughter, but it's f***ing harrowing seeing what he's really like come out in such graphic detail This man has been wrong in the head for such a long time. So this is particularly chilling to watch just because maybe he didn't traffic his own daughter, but Vince wrote a lot of stuff into the show that he was doing in real life. The segments of him being a corrupt boss forcing women to kiss him on TV--with them sometimes admitting years later they were uncomfortable for real--for instance look like him power tripping not on the power fantasy he wishes he could do, but on the actual things he was doing in real life, and brazenly working into his evil boss character. Similarly, the stories of him vindictively booking spiteful gimmicks on female wrestlers coinciding with female wrestlers being punished for not sleeping with him. All of it is a confession. Vince was in power for almost twenty years when this segment aired and he was in power another two decades more; there is no way he wasn't doing that shit already down there at the time. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 25, 2024 18:47:34 GMT -5
Oh, I can think of an island to put him on, but I don't think it's good enough for scum like Vince. Rikers would be a perfect destination. Sentinel Island would be an even better one. |
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Post by chazraps on Jan 25, 2024 18:49:02 GMT -5
Just caught up on all 28 pages. It's a very, very dark day. Right now feels like the opening rumblings of the 2002 Boston sex abuse scandal where you slowly see just how many people are involved, how many knew, how many didn't/couldn't do anything. It's stomach churning disgusting. It's deeply sad. My thoughts are with the survivor mentioned as well as any survivors of abuse who may be reading this. The only reason I tend to think Danielson might have known something is the fact that Ace is technically his father-in-law. But yeah, I agree on your other points. There is that point too. I'm not going to accuse that Danielson would know but if for example this happened in AEW, he would be right there in my sights of who I am wondering about because of being involved higher up in some creative process even though I absolutely adore him. I love what HHH has done for the shows and HBK too, hell I have a f***ing NXT pfp. I set everything aside for NXT's on Tuesday and the Rumble is like Christmas for me. I don't want to have to wonder but it's so blatantly f***ing glaring. If I may offer a counterpoint to this, Vince and Johnny are seasoned longtime sexual predators, enough to know who and how to absolutely keep something like this away from. I don't think it's farfetched at all that they'd be specifically conspiring to ensure Bryan never found out. |
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jan 25, 2024 18:49:12 GMT -5
He has a way of convincing people to do things they probably wouldn't do otherwise. Some wrestlers cite how Vince talked them into doing certain stunts by doing them himself, first. I'm thinking along those lines is what Clash needs. They can correct me if I'm wrong here. Bingo. you know, that is a really good point. he could've convinced a shitload of the higher ups to think about what happened in this way or that way. I can't imagine someone like Cena/Danielson who have said really nice things about Vince would willingly go to bat for someone like that knowing what happened, it is just hard to not react and get angry about this because it is yet another saga in the recent "woman potentially has something awful happen to her and it is all about what does this mean for corporate product 1 or corporate product 2" when I'm sitting here like please have a soul, I am begging you. we'll never hear it but I do really want to know about nick khan and everyone higher up. find out if stephanie was the whistleblower as i'm led to think she probably was. how long was this going on and who all knew. having that stench around is just way too much for me personally. i'm going to be thinking about it constantly. |
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Post by jm on Jan 25, 2024 18:49:16 GMT -5
Speaking of one of these so called "journalists": I wonder if Nick Hausman will ask Hunter about this at the scrum on Sat night. Because after all, Nick Hausman is such a supporter of sexual assault victims. Who even knows if he'll be there? There's no need to bring the Jericho/AEW/Hausman stuff into this conversation. He'll be there. He got a press credential. He posted it on his Twitter. |
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jan 25, 2024 18:51:15 GMT -5
Just caught up on all 28 pages. It's a very, very dark day. Right now feels like the opening rumblings of the 2002 Boston sex abuse scandal where you slowly see just how many people are involved, how many knew, how many didn't/couldn't do anything. It's stomach churning disgusting. It's deeply sad. My thoughts are with the survivor mentioned as well as any survivors of abuse who may be reading this. There is that point too. I'm not going to accuse that Danielson would know but if for example this happened in AEW, he would be right there in my sights of who I am wondering about because of being involved higher up in some creative process even though I absolutely adore him. I love what HHH has done for the shows and HBK too, hell I have a f***ing NXT pfp. I set everything aside for NXT's on Tuesday and the Rumble is like Christmas for me. I don't want to have to wonder but it's so blatantly f***ing glaring. If I may offer a counterpoint to this, Vince and Johnny are seasoned longtime sexual predators, enough to know who and how to absolutely keep something like this away from. I don't think it's farfetched at all that they'd be specifically conspiring to ensure Bryan never found out. You absolutely can Chaz and as those two a second ago brought up, that's an excellent point. I'll sit and wait, as uncomfortable and angry as I am. For all we know they may be victims in their own way as well, just of a different variety. |
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Post by nisidhe on Jan 25, 2024 18:52:58 GMT -5
Little about Vince surprises me anymore. Just the summary, though, feels as though I had _Serbian Film_ playing in the room with me muted and the brightness turned down to zero. I know enough to know that I don't wanna see it for myself. My heart goes out to Vince's victims; I hope that they're able to find healing and closure and justice.
As for WWE, in my view:
a) Vince is in Benoit territory at this point, or sure as f*** needs to be. Wipe his face, voice and everything that has been within a mile of him from all WWE programming at this point, and never again let it see the light of day. No more TV appearances for him, ever - not even in a Capt. Pike scenario from ST: TOS.
b) John Laurinaitis needs to be fired immediately, if he hasn't already.
c) Brock Lesnar's contract needs to be terminated with immediate effect. There's no getting away from this. He can go back to his farm and tip cows for the rest of his miserable, entitled life.
d) Triple H, Stephanie McMahon, Nick Khan, Bruce Prichard and Paul Heyman need to be intensely questioned about their knowledge of what was going on ad how it was handled. McDevitt's never getting a retirement and probably deserves that fate. If their answers don't stand up to scrutiny and there's evidence that they're lying, they should be removed from the company. I'd go so far as to suggest that the Performance Center crew needs a close side-eye as well. Michaels and Regal likely know something of all this and should probably come clean for their own consciences.
e) Anyone currently under contract with WWE must be given an immediate opportunity to leave the company of their own will with no penalty. The reputational damage the company has suffered with Vince's involvement is enormous, even for those who have not been involved with the sharing of texts/messages. To stick with the company at this point, with this information out, might well be seen as complicity. Giving the option to walk regardless of contract status will be a gesture of atonement for the company and a chance for talent to move elsewhere without the stain of Vince on them.
f) Anyone on a Legends contract should have any non-disparagement clauses in their contracts annulled. Depending on how far back the rot lies, this will either set them free or send them running. In any case, they should be looked at as well.
I would suggest that Endeavor is going to have a very close interest in WWE's operations from here on out. There's little choice when the rot in WWE may be that deep. Their network partners, present and future, as well as their sponsors may well demand oversight.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 25, 2024 18:55:35 GMT -5
Just caught up on all 28 pages. It's a very, very dark day. Right now feels like the opening rumblings of the 2002 Boston sex abuse scandal where you slowly see just how many people are involved, how many knew, how many didn't/couldn't do anything. It's stomach churning disgusting. It's deeply sad. My thoughts are with the survivor mentioned as well as any survivors of abuse who may be reading this. There is that point too. I'm not going to accuse that Danielson would know but if for example this happened in AEW, he would be right there in my sights of who I am wondering about because of being involved higher up in some creative process even though I absolutely adore him. I love what HHH has done for the shows and HBK too, hell I have a f***ing NXT pfp. I set everything aside for NXT's on Tuesday and the Rumble is like Christmas for me. I don't want to have to wonder but it's so blatantly f***ing glaring. If I may offer a counterpoint to this, Vince and Johnny are seasoned longtime sexual predators, enough to know who and how to absolutely keep something like this away from. I don't think it's farfetched at all that they'd be specifically conspiring to ensure Bryan never found out. It's possible, but Vince strikes me as the guy who would absolutely get off on trying to corrupt (or failing that, at least disgust) the guy with the purest, most progressive morals by making him hear about this. Hopefully that didn't happen, though. |
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Post by ayumidah on Jan 25, 2024 18:58:14 GMT -5
Well, it hit the nightly news and my mother just asked me about it. Yay... "I was shocked when I heard about it!" eh, I doubt she's heard EVERYTHING or oh boy.
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Post by doomish on Jan 25, 2024 18:59:03 GMT -5
I bet Netflix is having some buyer's remorse right now. Oh well, that's good enough for them.
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Post by Celexa Bliss on Jan 25, 2024 18:59:57 GMT -5
Well, it hit the nightly news and my mother just asked me about it. Yay... "I was shocked when I heard about it!" eh, I doubt she's heard EVERYTHING or oh boy. I told my mother that it was some pretty nasty stuff, which is the understatement of the century. |
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Jan 25, 2024 19:01:06 GMT -5
Just caught up on all 28 pages. It's a very, very dark day. Right now feels like the opening rumblings of the 2002 Boston sex abuse scandal where you slowly see just how many people are involved, how many knew, how many didn't/couldn't do anything. It's stomach churning disgusting. It's deeply sad. My thoughts are with the survivor mentioned as well as any survivors of abuse who may be reading this. If I may offer a counterpoint to this, Vince and Johnny are seasoned longtime sexual predators, enough to know who and how to absolutely keep something like this away from. I don't think it's farfetched at all that they'd be specifically conspiring to ensure Bryan never found out. It's possible, but Vince strikes me as the guy who would absolutely get off on trying to corrupt (or failing that, at least disgust) the guy with the purest, most progressive morals by making him hear about this. Hopefully that didn't happen, though. Never know. At this point I'm just not going to expect anything and hope he at least gets let go along with Brock. I'm not expecting any justice or any good in this world. |
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Post by mistery on Jan 25, 2024 19:01:35 GMT -5
I bet Netflix is having some buyer's remorse right now. Oh well, that's good enough for them. I doubt Netflix really cares all that much. As long as Vince is ousted, that'll likely be good enough for them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2024 19:02:26 GMT -5
dude's got the dark triad, Jon Moxley wasn't kidding about the 'jedi mind trick'
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 25, 2024 19:02:50 GMT -5
d) Triple H, Stephanie McMahon, Nick Khan, Bruce Prichard and Paul Heyman need to be intensely questioned about their knowledge of what was going on ad how it was handled. McDevitt's never getting a retirement and probably deserves that fate. If their answers don't stand up to scrutiny and there's evidence that they're lying, they should be removed from the company. I'd go so far as to suggest that the Performance Center crew needs a close side-eye as well. Michaels and Regal likely know something of all this and should probably come clean for their own consciences. Maybe it's inappropriate to bring this up (better suited to a separate thread?), but this does beg the question, if this winds up coming back down on all these people and they're all forced to leave, then who runs the company? You're basically wiping out the entire upper management chain of command. I'm literally imagining Vince Russo showing up at the Endeavor offices being all like "so I hear you have some openings?". |
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Post by lemonyellowson on Jan 25, 2024 19:03:23 GMT -5
Just read the whole filing. Holy shit. Those text messages, from a 75 year old absolute maniac, are up there with some of the wildest shit I have ever seen. I also can't quite understand how a dude quite so sexually devient can't spell pussy. Then the poop stuff and the naming the sex toys stuff... what the actual f*** did I just read?
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Jan 25, 2024 19:05:20 GMT -5
Remember simpler times when it was just about steroids?
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Post by XIII on Jan 25, 2024 19:05:34 GMT -5
Vince is on borrowed time. Friday’s are usually the get the f*** out days for firings so I expect him to be on his ass nom later than right as the market is about to close to inflate their numbers. Who knows with Brock. Won’t be surprised if they pay him to sit at home nor will I be surprised if he shows up at the Rumble.
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Post by callmekc on Jan 25, 2024 19:05:55 GMT -5
Did they need to? They were addressing the 'hush money' and the financial conduct issue of him buying her off with company money - she was a recipient of that, but wouldn't have known where the money came from, which is what they were looking in to They were looking into more than the specific act of financial misappropriation, because what Vince did was to employees and contractors. The nature of what was done and why he was paying her off would have still been relevant to the investigation, as would have been the nature of any discussions had about the payments. You don't leave people this big out of the investigation into your combination founder/CEO/majority owner just because she 'only got the money'. What he did to the people he paid off was still a major facet of what they were supposed to be looking into. I believe the phrase is "Never set up an enquiry unless you know in advance what the findings will be." |
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Post by mistery on Jan 25, 2024 19:06:48 GMT -5
d) Triple H, Stephanie McMahon, Nick Khan, Bruce Prichard and Paul Heyman need to be intensely questioned about their knowledge of what was going on ad how it was handled. McDevitt's never getting a retirement and probably deserves that fate. If their answers don't stand up to scrutiny and there's evidence that they're lying, they should be removed from the company. I'd go so far as to suggest that the Performance Center crew needs a close side-eye as well. Michaels and Regal likely know something of all this and should probably come clean for their own consciences. Maybe it's inappropriate to bring this up (better suited to a separate thread?), but this does beg the question, if this winds up coming back down on all these people and they're all forced to leave, then who runs the company? You're basically wiping out the entire upper management chain of command. I'm literally imagining Vince Russo showing up at the Endeavor offices being all like "so I hear you have some openings?". This is why I don't think Nick or Triple H are going anywhere, regardless of the results. Decimating the entire chain of command would be a great way to show volatility to your investors, which they don't like. They also aren't named at all in the lawsuit. Unless they are explicitly named, nothing can really be done about them, and speculating that they could be involved or stating they were involved in covering it up is INCREDIBLY dangerous, because if it ends up they weren't involved or were unaware, you can catch a libel/slander lawsuit for it. And no, Wrestling Observer Radio isn't going to know shit about how this works. |
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