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Post by ben:friendship frog on Jan 26, 2024 13:11:48 GMT -5
I know we don't tend to talk about other places but I've seen people on twitter somehow using this to blame CM Punk, because on Instagram he's put out a picture of his coffee, therefore he's no longer the voice of the voiceless...
I just. These f***ing people.
Sorry, I just needed to vent and if I vent on twitter at them then I'll end up having to converse with the c***s.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 26, 2024 13:13:30 GMT -5
"The suit said McMahon shared the explicit photos with the star and informed Grant that “he likes what he sees.” After the star agreed to a new WWE contract, McMahon texted Grant in August 2021 to say “that part of the deal was f—ing U.”" This is what people are saying is like a cloudy and dubious space where maybe there was consent. Like a normal person who cares lots about consent says 'Let me f*** the administrative coordinator of your legal department if you want me to sign a contract to wrestle for ten million a year'. Come on. What are we doing here? From the legal end, I would say that’s not really proof that Lesnar actually said anything of the sort, only that Vince said that to her. Now maybe you get into discovery during the lawsuit and you get Vince’s messages, Brock’s messages, deposition testimony from Brock, etc. that shows yes Brock and Vince were discussing this as some type of sick contractual arrangement. A month ago people, you included, were willing to speculate nonexistent allegations of misconduct off the basis of twitter likes, frankly I find this to be really hollow. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 26, 2024 13:15:04 GMT -5
From the legal end, I would say that’s not really proof that Lesnar actually said anything of the sort, only that Vince said that to her. Now maybe you get into discovery during the lawsuit and you get Vince’s messages, Brock’s messages, deposition testimony from Brock, etc. that shows yes Brock and Vince were discussing this as some type of sick contractual arrangement. "McMahon texted Grant in August 2021 to say “that part of the deal was f—ing U.”" That’s exactly what I just said. That’s proof that Vince said that to her. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 26, 2024 13:17:56 GMT -5
From the legal end, I would say that’s not really proof that Lesnar actually said anything of the sort, only that Vince said that to her. Now maybe you get into discovery during the lawsuit and you get Vince’s messages, Brock’s messages, deposition testimony from Brock, etc. that shows yes Brock and Vince were discussing this as some type of sick contractual arrangement. A month ago people, you included, were willing to speculate nonexistent allegations of misconduct off the basis of twitter likes, frankly I find this to be really hollow. Come on now, that’s not fair at all. My stance was that it should be looked into if it wasn’t already because of the potential victim liking tweets about Jericho’s conduct. No where here am I saying it shouldn’t be looked into what the hell Lesnar’s role in all of this was. It for sure should. I’m just saying we don’t know yet what exactly his scienter was here. Maybe it turns out that he knew this was against her will and maybe they’d had this arrangement in the past with others. But that’s all to be determined. As is, he’s for sure an asshole and hopefully they blast him out of the company while all of this is going down. |
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Post by DMO- on Jan 26, 2024 13:20:03 GMT -5
I’m not trying to deny anything, but I just saw a slide of a few of the explicit texts. Why is a 70 plus year old billionaire texting like he’s a 16 year old illiterate teenager. It just seems so hard to believe some of the verbiage. What I’m trying to say here really is holy f*** is he ever f***ed in the head. How is this one of the richest people in the world?
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Post by Mecca on Jan 26, 2024 13:21:22 GMT -5
I’m not trying to deny anything, but I just saw a slide of a few of the explicit texts. Why is a 70 plus year old billionaire texting like he’s a 16 year old illiterate teenager. It just seems so hard to believe some of the verbiage. What I’m trying to say here really is holy f*** is he ever f***ed in the head. How is this one of the richest people in the world? The way he texts actually lends credibility to me that it is Vince..just like the dildo story, those things are so Vince. |
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Post by jm on Jan 26, 2024 13:22:22 GMT -5
"McMahon texted Grant in August 2021 to say “that part of the deal was f—ing U.”" That’s exactly what I just said. That’s proof that Vince said that to her. Then why are you spending all of this time trying to play contrarian when it comes to Lesnar's involvement in this when there's ACTUAL TEXT MESSAGES that detail Lesnar's involvement? |
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Post by joeiscool on Jan 26, 2024 13:25:37 GMT -5
You're not going to get me to pretend that a kink in degrading others isn't potentially problematic, but it can be consensual... The only reason he didn't get to rape her was him being drunk and a flight being cancelled. He's a disgusting individual as well. argghhh I said I wasn't going to post anymore... But setting up a time and place looks like there was consent to me. Like if I told someone that I am booking a flight to have sex with them and they didn't voice concern or objection, I'm going to assume they are consenting. The overall situation obviously was not, which seemingly is on the Vince level how privy to what her relationship with Vince Brock had is not clear by what was posted.. :Edit: And that's not to say I personally am ok with that. Even at the most innocent interpretation would say everyone involved should do some soul searching and treat women better. |
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Post by 06vwgti on Jan 26, 2024 13:26:15 GMT -5
I’m not trying to deny anything, but I just saw a slide of a few of the explicit texts. Why is a 70 plus year old billionaire texting like he’s a 16 year old illiterate teenager. It just seems so hard to believe some of the verbiage. What I’m trying to say here really is holy f*** is he ever f***ed in the head. How is this one of the richest people in the world? It always shocks me seeing the boomer generation posting like younger people using "u" "4" etc |
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Post by thegame415 on Jan 26, 2024 13:26:20 GMT -5
This is an awful situation. I hope justice is served.
If anyone needs to talk, I’m available.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 26, 2024 13:27:22 GMT -5
That’s exactly what I just said. That’s proof that Vince said that to her. Then why are you spending all of this time trying to play contrarian when it comes to Lesnar's involvement in this when there's ACTUAL TEXT MESSAGES that detail Lesnar's involvement? I’m not playing contrarian. I’m saying what we know of Lesnar’s involvement based on the complaint does not necessarily mean he was aware that it was not consensual and that he was aware of the extent of Vince’s acts. Also not to go too far down the rabbit hole, but someone saying “I told so and so xyz” is not necessarily proof that the person actually did tell so and so xyz. I think there’d have to be some further digging into Lesnar and Vince’s interactions and communications to see what exactly Lesnar knew. It could turn out that he’s just as guilty as Vince. |
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Post by XIII on Jan 26, 2024 13:28:52 GMT -5
At least we now know why the WWE was terrible for so long. Vince and his cronies were too busy raping to write any decent content. f*** them all.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 26, 2024 13:28:57 GMT -5
The only reason he didn't get to rape her was him being drunk and a flight being cancelled. He's a disgusting individual as well. argghhh I said I wasn't going to post anymore... But setting up a time and place looks like there was consent to me. Like if I told someone that I am booking a flight to have sex with them and they didn't voice concern or objection, I'm going to assume they are consenting. The overall situation obviously was not, which seemingly is on the Vince level how privy to what her relationship with Vince Brock had is not clear by what was posted... Setting up a time and place on the orders of your boss who is coercing you to do it. Maybe Brock's not in the same level of scum as Vince, but like...I don't know, to me it feels like there's clearly an arrangement. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 26, 2024 13:30:13 GMT -5
At least we now know why the WWE was terrible for so long. Vince and his cronies were too busy raping to write any decent content. f*** them all. Yeah kind of crazy to think this might have been what was going on when writers would talk about waiting hours for Vince to show up for a meeting. |
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Post by Mecca on Jan 26, 2024 13:31:54 GMT -5
I’m not trying to deny anything, but I just saw a slide of a few of the explicit texts. Why is a 70 plus year old billionaire texting like he’s a 16 year old illiterate teenager. It just seems so hard to believe some of the verbiage. What I’m trying to say here really is holy f*** is he ever f***ed in the head. How is this one of the richest people in the world? It always shocks me seeing the boomer generation posting like younger people using "u" "4" etc It goes hand in hand with how much they suck at using technology. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 26, 2024 13:32:23 GMT -5
argghhh I said I wasn't going to post anymore... But setting up a time and place looks like there was consent to me. Like if I told someone that I am booking a flight to have sex with them and they didn't voice concern or objection, I'm going to assume they are consenting. The overall situation obviously was not, which seemingly is on the Vince level how privy to what her relationship with Vince Brock had is not clear by what was posted... Setting up a time and place on the orders of your boss who is coercing you to do it. Maybe Brock's not in the same level of scum as Vince, but like...I don't know, to me it feels like there's clearly an arrangement. Vince told Brock that she was "Part of the Deal". She wasn't in contact with Brock because she wanted that. She clearly didn't. |
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Jan 26, 2024 13:34:54 GMT -5
I just want to say that I am extremely uncomfortable with the conversation delving into the suggestion that the victim's involvement in all of this was consensual. Sure, that's going to be McMahon's legal team's defense, but starting to get into the weeds of "well, it looks to me from those text messages that she was a willing participant" feels icky to me and this forum doesn't feel like the place for it.
At the end of the day, there is a profound imbalance of power between the billionaire CEO of a large publicly traded company, the multimillionaire highest paid special attraction of said company, and a low-level employee. Arguably, said low level employee can't even consent, legally speaking, to the kinds of things that she was allegedly subjected to here when it was conveyed to her that her job and livelihood could be taken away if she didn't agree. In other words, one can agree to something, but not be a willing participant.
Obviously, I would prefer not to see the worst in people that I have watched on television for the last 25 years of my life, either, but even if you just take what's included in the Complaint strictly at face value, the allegations against Brock are reprehensible. They aren't "oh my God, it wouldn't surprise me if this person has bodies buried under his mansion" levels of reprehensible like Vince, but they are reprehensible.
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Post by BobW on Jan 26, 2024 13:35:28 GMT -5
I’m not trying to deny anything, but I just saw a slide of a few of the explicit texts. Why is a 70 plus year old billionaire texting like he’s a 16 year old illiterate teenager. It just seems so hard to believe some of the verbiage. What I’m trying to say here really is holy f*** is he ever f***ed in the head. How is this one of the richest people in the world? It always shocks me seeing the boomer generation posting like younger people using "u" "4" etc :upscale()/2016/04/21/905/n/1922398/f1d2ef0203cfad32_1510086725779894566.gif) |
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 26, 2024 13:40:28 GMT -5
I just want to say that I am extremely uncomfortable with the conversation delving into the suggestion that the victim's involvement in all of this was consensual. Sure, that's going to be McMahon's legal team's defense, but starting to get into the weeds of "well, it looks to me from those text messages that she was a willing participant" feels icky to me and this forum doesn't feel like the place for it. At the end of the day, there is a profound imbalance of power between the billionaire CEO of a large publicly traded company, the multimillionaire highest paid special attraction of said company, and a low-level employee. Arguably, said low level employee can't even consent, legally speaking, to the kinds of things that she was allegedly subjected to here when it was conveyed to her that her job and livelihood could be taken away if she didn't agree. In other words, one can agree to something, but not be a willing participant. Obviously, I would prefer not to see the worst in people that I have watched on television for the last 25 years of my life, either, but even if you just take what's included in the Complaint strictly at face value, the allegations against Brock are reprehensible. They aren't "oh my God, it wouldn't surprise me if this person has bodies buried under his mansion" levels of reprehensible like Vince, but they are reprehensible. To be clear, I’m not stating at all that the victim here was consenting to any of this. I’m saying we don’t know what Brock knew of it being consensual or not based on the complaint. Vince and Johnny certainly knew, it seems. |
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Post by lucas_lee on Jan 26, 2024 13:41:02 GMT -5
I'm glad that even with our squabbles as a board we're all united in how disgusting this situation is. Even those bring up other points aren't dissenting they're just trying to better understand things. I have no doubt if this was the older days some people would be cracking jokes and trying to downplay the victims pain.
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