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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Jan 26, 2024 12:38:04 GMT -5
To be clear Brock isn't really the target of the suit. There's no charges against him. He's kinda a morally ambiguous bystander/prop in this case Soliciting pee videos from the victim is not "morally ambiguous". Not to mention calling her a bitch after she complied. |
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Post by joeiscool on Jan 26, 2024 12:44:49 GMT -5
Soliciting pee videos from the victim is not "morally ambiguous". Not to mention calling her a bitch after she complied. You're not going to get me to pretend that a kink in degrading others isn't potentially problematic, but it can be consensual... |
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 26, 2024 12:45:50 GMT -5
As for people commenting from the company. I'll say what I said when Hausman caused the Jericho rumors to pop up (please note these are apples to oranges and are NOT meant to cause WWE vs AEW so nobody take this as such) PR answers should be given. The difference of course is these are actual accusations, but the response from wrestlers should be that they cannot comment on that, and the response from Triple H/whoever should say "we take any allegation of sexual assault seriously, and will be doing our due diligence" That will piss some people off, but you've got to play the PR game. Do not say anything to make it worse do not praise anybody or try to downplay anything. Put it into the hands of legal And personally, I'm not a fan of the mentality of "We're fans and buy tickets; they owe it to us to tell us how they feel." This happened a lot during the Joss Whedon allegations and fans wanted statements from just about everyone who appeared in Buffy and Angel. It got bad enough that Charisma Carpenter, who had called out Whedon, passive aggrevisely mentioned her costars showing her support privately. Basically to tell fans "See? They support me. They don't need to do it publicly." Yeah, the big one was David Boreanaz. She had to tell people to stop bothering him, he contacted her in support. |
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 26, 2024 12:46:45 GMT -5
Not to mention calling her a bitch after she complied. You're not going to get me to pretend that a kink in degrading others isn't potentially problematic, but it can be consensual... It CAN indeed. But being mentioned in a lawsuit doesn't really give that impression, unless litigation is another kink and this is just some incredibly elaborate role play. |
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Post by Celexa Bliss on Jan 26, 2024 12:48:57 GMT -5
Also I doubt Vince would DIRECTLY offer Brock that kind of stuff as a "resign bonus" if there wasnt evidence to Vince that he had no issue. I only said ambiguous because I do think how you view Brock's role in all of this is basically what you feel about certain topics... I don't think anyone is accusing him of sexual assault, or using force to make her do anything. What they are accusing him of is infidelity, weird sexual fetishes', and maybe prostitution. While I personally would draw the line at infidelity, I do know some reasonable people who would defend his right to all three if the person is consenting. I can't even put into words how flawed this is. |
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jan 26, 2024 12:55:44 GMT -5
Don't kink shame Brock's lack of care about consent, guys!
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Post by joeiscool on Jan 26, 2024 12:58:14 GMT -5
Walking away from all the Brock talk. I've said my point. IF he knew she was an unwilling participant in this by all means throw whatever book at him...
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Post by Burst on Jan 26, 2024 12:59:51 GMT -5
And personally, I'm not a fan of the mentality of "We're fans and buy tickets; they owe it to us to tell us how they feel." This happened a lot during the Joss Whedon allegations and fans wanted statements from just about everyone who appeared in Buffy and Angel. It got bad enough that Charisma Carpenter, who had called out Whedon, passive-aggressively mentioned her costars showing her support privately. Basically to tell fans "See? They support me. They don't need to do it publicly." This. I hate the mindset of basically guilt-tripping/shaming people with nominal associations but potentially zero involvement to make a public statement. There are certainly times where silence can be interpreted as implicit approval of problematic behavior, but this... isn't one of them, and always equating silence to collusion/collaboration/approval raises a lot of problems on its own. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 26, 2024 13:00:48 GMT -5
"The suit said McMahon shared the explicit photos with the star and informed Grant that “he likes what he sees.” After the star agreed to a new WWE contract, McMahon texted Grant in August 2021 to say “that part of the deal was f—ing U.”"
This is what people are saying is like a cloudy and dubious space where maybe there was consent. Like a normal person who cares lots about consent says 'Let me f*** the administrative coordinator of your legal department if you want me to sign a contract to wrestle for ten million a year'. Come on. What are we doing here?
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Post by lucas_lee on Jan 26, 2024 13:02:26 GMT -5
Not to mention calling her a bitch after she complied. You're not going to get me to pretend that a kink in degrading others isn't potentially problematic, but it can be consensual... The only reason he didn't get to rape her was him being drunk and a flight being cancelled. He's a disgusting individual as well. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 26, 2024 13:03:21 GMT -5
I think there’s certainly something to be said for us not knowing whether Lesnar knew the person was being forced and not consenting to whatever the hell Vince told him. He wasn’t named as a defendant (wasn’t even named in the lawsuit itself, just referred to as WWE superstar). Of course it’s possible he was highly aware and was involved in other cases, but we can’t glean that from what we know yet.
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Post by jm on Jan 26, 2024 13:03:33 GMT -5
Walking away from all the Brock talk. I've said my point. IF he knew she was an unwilling participant in this by all means throw whatever book at him... Yes please do walk away from this. And while you are away, read the criminal complaint and then rethink what you said. |
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Post by lucas_lee on Jan 26, 2024 13:05:05 GMT -5
I think there’s certainly something to be said for us not knowing whether Lesnar knew the person was being forced and not consenting to whatever the hell Vince told him. He wasn’t named as a defendant (wasn’t even named in the lawsuit itself, just referred to as WWE superstar). Of course it’s possible he was highly aware and was involved in other cases, but we can’t glean that from what we know yet. If he had penetrated her in anyway he'd probably be in the lawsuit, since it also would help strengthen her claim of sex trafficking. Especially with how Vince kept asking her to get ravaged by him and tell him in detail how he hurt her. |
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Post by tafkaga on Jan 26, 2024 13:05:47 GMT -5
I picture Vince doing it locked in his office like Dark Helmet from Spaceballs He's just using it like an action figure making it speak... Roddy Piper: "These new WWF dildos ARE HOT... " |
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 26, 2024 13:06:34 GMT -5
"The suit said McMahon shared the explicit photos with the star and informed Grant that “he likes what he sees.” After the star agreed to a new WWE contract, McMahon texted Grant in August 2021 to say “that part of the deal was f—ing U.”" This is what people are saying is like a cloudy and dubious space where maybe there was consent. Like a normal person who cares lots about consent says 'Let me f*** the administrative coordinator of your legal department if you want me to sign a contract to wrestle for ten million a year'. Come on. What are we doing here? From the legal end, I would say that’s not really proof that Lesnar actually said anything of the sort, only that Vince said that to her. Now maybe you get into discovery during the lawsuit and you get Vince’s messages, Brock’s messages, deposition testimony from Brock, etc. that shows yes Brock and Vince were discussing this as some type of sick contractual arrangement. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 26, 2024 13:06:48 GMT -5
Walking away from all the Brock talk. I've said my point. IF he knew she was an unwilling participant in this by all means throw whatever book at him... Yes please do walk away from this. And while you are away, read the criminal complaint and then rethink what you said. It’s a civil complaint |
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 26, 2024 13:08:03 GMT -5
I think there’s certainly something to be said for us not knowing whether Lesnar knew the person was being forced and not consenting to whatever the hell Vince told him. He wasn’t named as a defendant (wasn’t even named in the lawsuit itself, just referred to as WWE superstar). Of course it’s possible he was highly aware and was involved in other cases, but we can’t glean that from what we know yet. If he had penetrated her in anyway he'd probably be in the lawsuit, since it also would help strengthen her claim of sex trafficking. Especially with how Vince kept asking her to get ravaged by him and tell him in detail how he hurt her. For sure he’d be involved then. As is, maybe they could have brought him in as a defendant in some sort of conspiracy to commit trafficking type of claim. |
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Jan 26, 2024 13:10:51 GMT -5
Here's where I'm at today:
1. Janel Grant should get her day in court and if Vince and John are guilty, they should pay up. She should get everything she deserves and more.
2. Vince McMahon should be gone. Vince should get his day in court to defend himself against these allegations, although I believe them to be true.
3. John Laurinaitis should be allowed to defend himself, although I believe the allegations are true.
4. TKO should conduct a second investigation into WWE and this culture of abuse. If it turns out that others were involved, then they should be dealt with accordingly, no matter their level in the company.
I'm honestly not sure where I'm at when it comes to my fandom. I have tickets to WrestleMania and I've invested a decent bit of money into my trip in April. My first blush reaction is to just enjoy what I can through Mania and then reevaluate. A lot of folks are understandably grappling with being a fan when things like this come to the surface.
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Post by WIENERS=$$$ on Jan 26, 2024 13:10:53 GMT -5
ME: You know, I haven't been in the WWE forum in a couple days, I wonder if anything worthwhile is happening?
*looks at top thread*
ME: So, Vince is still around and scummier than ever, huh? Welp, I'll come back here when the old waste of flesh finally dies. Have a nice weekend everyone.
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Post by jm on Jan 26, 2024 13:11:35 GMT -5
"The suit said McMahon shared the explicit photos with the star and informed Grant that “he likes what he sees.” After the star agreed to a new WWE contract, McMahon texted Grant in August 2021 to say “that part of the deal was f—ing U.”" This is what people are saying is like a cloudy and dubious space where maybe there was consent. Like a normal person who cares lots about consent says 'Let me f*** the administrative coordinator of your legal department if you want me to sign a contract to wrestle for ten million a year'. Come on. What are we doing here? Now maybe you get into discovery during the lawsuit and you get Vince’s messages, Brock’s messages, deposition testimony from Brock, etc. that shows yes Brock and Vince were discussing this as some type of sick contractual arrangement. "McMahon texted Grant in August 2021 to say “that part of the deal was f—ing U.”" |
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