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Post by Zombie Mod on Jan 26, 2024 13:43:09 GMT -5
I'm saying this now as a mod,
IF THIS DOES GO TO TRIAL, DO NOT POST ANY TEXTS/PHOTO MESSAGES OF VINCE'S PENIS/NUDES that are used as evidence in the trial.
there has been a few rule breaks already in the thread (wwe footage not from an official account, a couple of attempts at sneaking a certain celebrity-politician in, one flat out mention of said celebrity-politician, sniping at each other.) which have been dealt with quietly... I WILL PERSONALLY BAN ANYONE WHO POSTS VINCE'S NUDES.
it's being said now so that everyone has no excuses on posting it in the future.
yes I fully expect vince to have sent dick pics/videos and no I do not wish to see his bits.
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Post by cornettesracket on Jan 26, 2024 13:46:57 GMT -5
Sorry not the go off topic but I don’t know the answer to it. If this does go to trial can this thread stay open ? On another forum I’m on, if something that is being discussed got to court, it’s an immediate locking of the thread.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Jan 26, 2024 13:48:30 GMT -5
I just read the text messages, god damn Vince is a f***ed up individual. His wrestling character is certainly him turned down to 3
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jan 26, 2024 13:48:35 GMT -5
Given the decades of steroids and tanning the old bastard probably looks like a worn out catcher's mitt down there.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jan 26, 2024 13:50:13 GMT -5
For a sec I thought I wandered into the TCAP board who instructed a similar eddict to a lolcow predator
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 26, 2024 13:50:18 GMT -5
I just want to say that I am extremely uncomfortable with the conversation delving into the suggestion that the victim's involvement in all of this was consensual. Sure, that's going to be McMahon's legal team's defense, but starting to get into the weeds of "well, it looks to me from those text messages that she was a willing participant" feels icky to me and this forum doesn't feel like the place for it. At the end of the day, there is a profound imbalance of power between the billionaire CEO of a large publicly traded company, the multimillionaire highest paid special attraction of said company, and a low-level employee. Arguably, said low level employee can't even consent, legally speaking, to the kinds of things that she was allegedly subjected to here when it was conveyed to her that her job and livelihood could be taken away if she didn't agree. In other words, one can agree to something, but not be a willing participant. Obviously, I would prefer not to see the worst in people that I have watched on television for the last 25 years of my life, either, but even if you just take what's included in the Complaint strictly at face value, the allegations against Brock are reprehensible. They aren't "oh my God, it wouldn't surprise me if this person has bodies buried under his mansion" levels of reprehensible like Vince, but they are reprehensible. All there is to say is that it motherf***ing WASN'T consensual. There's too much of a power imbalance, like you said. To bring it to Wenstein, people were trying to say that the actresses went with it, that's because of the power. They stand up to him, and they wind up like Mira Sorvino or Ashley Judd who saw their careers tank. Now imagine a low level staffer and the owner of a massive worldwide company. Vince would have crushed her like a gnat. There was no consent, because she couldn't give consent due to the power imbalance. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 26, 2024 13:51:58 GMT -5
I just want to say that I am extremely uncomfortable with the conversation delving into the suggestion that the victim's involvement in all of this was consensual. Sure, that's going to be McMahon's legal team's defense, but starting to get into the weeds of "well, it looks to me from those text messages that she was a willing participant" feels icky to me and this forum doesn't feel like the place for it. At the end of the day, there is a profound imbalance of power between the billionaire CEO of a large publicly traded company, the multimillionaire highest paid special attraction of said company, and a low-level employee. Arguably, said low level employee can't even consent, legally speaking, to the kinds of things that she was allegedly subjected to here when it was conveyed to her that her job and livelihood could be taken away if she didn't agree. In other words, one can agree to something, but not be a willing participant. Obviously, I would prefer not to see the worst in people that I have watched on television for the last 25 years of my life, either, but even if you just take what's included in the Complaint strictly at face value, the allegations against Brock are reprehensible. They aren't "oh my God, it wouldn't surprise me if this person has bodies buried under his mansion" levels of reprehensible like Vince, but they are reprehensible. All there is to say is that it motherf***ing WASN'T consensual. There's too much of a power imbalance, like you said. To bring it to Wenstein, people were trying to say that the actresses went with it, that's because of the power. They stand up to him, and they wind up like Mira Sorvino or Ashley Judd who saw their careers tank. Now imagine a low level staffer and the owner of a massive worldwide company. Vince would have crushed her like a gnat. There was no consent, because she couldn't give consent due to the power imbalance. Agreed. It’s disgusting how Vince seemingly manipulated her and used her life situation and his power and money to make this woman’s life hell. |
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Post by khali on Jan 26, 2024 13:55:43 GMT -5
You do not, under any circumstances, gotta give Brock the benefit of the doubt.
Even the most charitable explanation makes him a dirtbag.
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Post by FinalGwen on Jan 26, 2024 13:57:49 GMT -5
If only Brock had close relationships with people who might know how Vince treats consent he might have known better. Say, someone who might have filed a lawsuit based on sexual harassment and unsafe working conditions.
Yeah, screw Brock, I'd be shocked if he didn't know exactly what was happening.
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Post by Dub H on Jan 26, 2024 13:58:32 GMT -5
Even if you wanna be the biggest fan and most generous soul to Lesnar
He was taking porn and sex from a women under Vinces employement, as a payment to sign with then and I repeat. PAYMENT
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Post by Viking Hall on Jan 26, 2024 13:58:47 GMT -5
I’m not trying to deny anything, but I just saw a slide of a few of the explicit texts. Why is a 70 plus year old billionaire texting like he’s a 16 year old illiterate teenager. It just seems so hard to believe some of the verbiage. What I’m trying to say here really is holy f*** is he ever f***ed in the head. How is this one of the richest people in the world? I said it during the Speaking Out fiasco when a lot of wrestlers communications were shared online that wrestling is such an insular and close knit community, and one that many get into at such a young and impressionable age that there's a very strong case for the fact that it stunts these mens emotional and mental development. Virtually all of those screenshots read like barely literate teenagers too and would go a long way to explaining why so many of them are attracted to women and girls so much younger than themselves, because how many age appropriate women are going to tolerate a man with all of the emotional capacity of a horny schoolboy? |
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Post by mattyy on Jan 26, 2024 13:58:56 GMT -5
I know we don't tend to talk about other places but I've seen people on twitter somehow using this to blame CM Punk, because on Instagram he's put out a picture of his coffee, therefore he's no longer the voice of the voiceless... I just. These f***ing people. Sorry, I just needed to vent and if I vent on twitter at them then I'll end up having to converse with the c***s. Well I think it's because two years ago Punk was basically saying the culture at WWE is/was toxic and will never change and how there is so much abuse that happens there, especially at the expense of the women like Trinity and Mercedes, and now he's back in WWE like nothing ever happened. It's people pointing out the hypocrisy, not blaming him. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Jan 26, 2024 14:01:01 GMT -5
You do not, under any circumstances, gotta give Brock the benefit of the doubt. Even the most charitable explanation makes him a dirtbag. That’s true, too. I apologize for sending the thread into that direction. I’ll take off my legal lens for this one, as I don’t want people to think the wrong thing about me, here. Now is not the time for nuance. Whoever’s responsible and involved should be brought down. |
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Jan 26, 2024 14:02:28 GMT -5
I know we don't tend to talk about other places but I've seen people on twitter somehow using this to blame CM Punk, because on Instagram he's put out a picture of his coffee, therefore he's no longer the voice of the voiceless... I just. These f***ing people. Sorry, I just needed to vent and if I vent on twitter at them then I'll end up having to converse with the c***s. Well I think it's because two years ago Punk was basically saying the culture at WWE is/was toxic and will never change and how there is so much abuse that happens there, especially at the expense of the women like Trinity and Mercedes, and now he's back in WWE like nothing ever happened. It's people pointing out the hypocrisy, not blaming him. Not that, I saw that going around as well and that didn't bother me. This was tweets from a number of people blaming Punk specifically for not saying anything today and only instagramming his morning coffee. As if he, or any other wrestler, could or should be sharing their feelings on this matter on social media. And regardless, this isn't the time or topic to be point scoring over CM f***ing Punk. (The tweets, not anyone on here to be clear). |
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Post by Kalmia on Jan 26, 2024 14:03:00 GMT -5
It's only fate and weather that prevented Lesnar from apparently having non-consensual sex with the victim. I'm sure that's enough to get Lesnar out of legal trouble because it didn't happen, but it doesn't stop him from being a sick f*** that needs to go. Imagine accepting a woman from your boss as part of a new contract. She's a person, not a piece of meat or a possession to be passed around. Lesnar doesn't look good in this at all, even if he thought it was consensual. And it just shows how sickening both McMahon and Lesnar are if they thought it was an acceptable thing to do. If I was a woman working for WWE, I would not feel comfortable working with someone like Brock Lesnar.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jan 26, 2024 14:04:39 GMT -5
I’m not trying to deny anything, but I just saw a slide of a few of the explicit texts. Why is a 70 plus year old billionaire texting like he’s a 16 year old illiterate teenager. It just seems so hard to believe some of the verbiage. What I’m trying to say here really is holy f*** is he ever f***ed in the head. How is this one of the richest people in the world? I forget if it was Jericho, Punk, or who, but apparently Vince would text with 'lol'. Also my mother is in her 70s and loves emojis like there's no tomorrow. Older people often have a weird relationship with technology and many also want to try engage with or act younger than they are to help feel younger. If "pensioner who pretends he's still 19" doesn't sum up Vince, I don't know what does. |
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Post by Hot Noodle Truck on Jan 26, 2024 14:05:17 GMT -5
What an absolute f***ing mess. I truly hope that Ms. Grant can find some justice and somehow peace after all of this. Vince and everyone else involved absolutely deserve nothing less than the maximum jail time and fines and anyone else that knew about it needs to be fired. What a f***ing disgusting situation all around.
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Post by lucas_lee on Jan 26, 2024 14:06:03 GMT -5
I just want to say that I am extremely uncomfortable with the conversation delving into the suggestion that the victim's involvement in all of this was consensual. Sure, that's going to be McMahon's legal team's defense, but starting to get into the weeds of "well, it looks to me from those text messages that she was a willing participant" feels icky to me and this forum doesn't feel like the place for it. At the end of the day, there is a profound imbalance of power between the billionaire CEO of a large publicly traded company, the multimillionaire highest paid special attraction of said company, and a low-level employee. Arguably, said low level employee can't even consent, legally speaking, to the kinds of things that she was allegedly subjected to here when it was conveyed to her that her job and livelihood could be taken away if she didn't agree. In other words, one can agree to something, but not be a willing participant. Obviously, I would prefer not to see the worst in people that I have watched on television for the last 25 years of my life, either, but even if you just take what's included in the Complaint strictly at face value, the allegations against Brock are reprehensible. They aren't "oh my God, it wouldn't surprise me if this person has bodies buried under his mansion" levels of reprehensible like Vince, but they are reprehensible. All there is to say is that it motherf***ing WASN'T consensual. There's too much of a power imbalance, like you said. To bring it to Wenstein, people were trying to say that the actresses went with it, that's because of the power. They stand up to him, and they wind up like Mira Sorvino or Ashley Judd who saw their careers tank. Now imagine a low level staffer and the owner of a massive worldwide company. Vince would have crushed her like a gnat. There was no consent, because she couldn't give consent due to the power imbalance. Most of the people questioning the consent did not read Ms.Grants circumstances as well. Vince preyed on a woman that wasn't in a good space mentally and just lost her parents. Vince is a monster. As much as I despise New Jack he was right about Vince being a pimp just not in the way he thinks. |
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Post by Dub H on Jan 26, 2024 14:06:43 GMT -5
Well I think it's because two years ago Punk was basically saying the culture at WWE is/was toxic and will never change and how there is so much abuse that happens there, especially at the expense of the women like Trinity and Mercedes, and now he's back in WWE like nothing ever happened. It's people pointing out the hypocrisy, not blaming him. Not that, I saw that going around as well and that didn't bother me. This was tweets from a number of people blaming Punk specifically for not saying anything today and only instagramming his morning coffee. As if he, or any other wrestler, could or should be sharing their feelings on this matter on social media. And regardless, this isn't the time or topic to be point scoring over CM f***ing Punk. (The tweets, not anyone on here to be clear). Dude made himself a fake reputation of being a guy that fights for the right causes ,that stands up for people that can't. He is the guy that came every week with a shirt that represents a cause. He is the guy that defended women by buying then starbucks. That's the reputation he made for himself so people will press him on actually doing something about it But this ain't a Punk thread. And Any wrestler absolutely could share their feelings on this, should they? Is another story |
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Post by Burst on Jan 26, 2024 14:10:10 GMT -5
I just want to say that I am extremely uncomfortable with the conversation delving into the suggestion that the victim's involvement in all of this was consensual. Sure, that's going to be McMahon's legal team's defense, but starting to get into the weeds of "well, it looks to me from those text messages that she was a willing participant" feels icky to me and this forum doesn't feel like the place for it. At the end of the day, there is a profound imbalance of power between the billionaire CEO of a large publicly traded company, the multimillionaire highest paid special attraction of said company, and a low-level employee. Arguably, said low level employee can't even consent, legally speaking, to the kinds of things that she was allegedly subjected to here when it was conveyed to her that her job and livelihood could be taken away if she didn't agree. In other words, one can agree to something, but not be a willing participant. I don't know how many folks here have had to complete sexual harassment awareness modules as part of new employee onboarding at some point or another, but one of the examples that is always, always mentioned is Quid Pro Quo, and this is a damn near textbook instance of it, complete with the utterly absurd power disparity like you mentioned. It's such a cut-and-dry example that it almost feels like Vince was using those HR modules as a how-to guide, for crying out loud. |
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