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Post by Alexander The So-so on Jan 26, 2024 15:55:22 GMT -5
I'm now imaging this as like, Captain Lou looking somewhere between how he looked as half of The Sicilians and Willie Cicci from The Godfather, just completely slick and dapper... but with like, gold-plated rubber bands through his cheek. Alternatively... Admiral Louis. Even better, Super Mario Lou tripping on mushrooms and tossing fireballs at Austin, thinking he’s Bowser. I’m more interested in heel authority figure Mr. Monsoon. “Austin…WILL YOU STOP?  ?” |
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jan 26, 2024 15:58:16 GMT -5
I forget if it was Jericho, Punk, or who, but apparently Vince would text with 'lol'.. Punk said good childhood died when Undertaker texted that to him. I think mine died when this story broke. |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 26, 2024 16:06:08 GMT -5
I very much doubt she was a written clause. Even Vince McMahon isn't that dumb and no lawyer on the planet would write that in. It would have only ever been a verbal thing. Oh yeah for sure. But looking at it from a Brock standpoint. Like did HE actually see it as Vince offering her up as a item for contract or was it just a woman Vince wanted him to sleep with for whatever reason? I wanna know where the standpoint is that Vince's secret twenty-something girlfriend is being discussed as someone Brock wants to sleep with and it can even begin to be said or done in a way that doesn't make her an item in this arrangement. None of this is above board and all of it is slimy. Even if Brock says "Let me f*** your secret twenty-something girlfriend" and Vince goes "sure thing pal here's her number tell her to record herself pissing" that's such a horrible everything that I don't know what you're even beginning to defend here. All of it is awful and exploitative, splitting hairs on if X guy really knew he was exploiting women while gleefully exploiting a woman is absolutely crazy to me. |
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Jan 26, 2024 16:06:40 GMT -5
Punk said good childhood died when Undertaker texted that to him. I think mine died when this story broke. Hard for mine to die when I never had one to begin with. |
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Post by cosmo on Jan 26, 2024 16:10:31 GMT -5
It always shocks me seeing the boomer generation posting like younger people using "u" "4" etc :upscale()/2016/04/21/905/n/1922398/f1d2ef0203cfad32_1510086725779894566.gif)
Prince doesn't count. The dude legally changed his name to what was pretty much an emoji, so he gets a pass.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 26, 2024 16:13:51 GMT -5
Prince doesn't count. The dude legally changed his name to what was pretty much an emoji, so he gets a pass.
I mean even in Weird Al's word crimes he mentions Prince gets a pass because he's Prince. |
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Jan 26, 2024 16:16:25 GMT -5
Slim Jim has pulled their sponsorship of Royal Rumble That would be for the best. I think Vince is done but it could drag on for weeks/months. If sponsors start kicking up a fuss though the process will be expedited. They'd want rid as quick as possible. |
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Post by "The Natural" Bustin Loads on Jan 26, 2024 16:20:34 GMT -5
I’m glad Ms. Grant was brave enough to seek action. I can’t imagine how horrible it would be to go through even a quarter of the things listed. I hope she takes them for the most she can get. You don’t list dates/texts/timeframes if you’re not sure about them and all of those gifts can be traced to see if she received when she claims she did.
Regarding unnamed people (ie not Brock); A huge part of this type of abuse is keeping the victim unsure of what’s true so they remain dependent and controlled. Abusers commonly threaten to share/release material they have on someone to make them feel worthless. Some follow through, some don’t. When they don’t, it’s to keep holding it over their heads for more compliance or as its own get-off. Those texts from Vince say he showed her material to a tech crew/other wrestlers - that does not mean he actually did - and it stood out to me as something that would've been done (or not done) specifically to f*** with her head and keep from saying anything to anyone at the company.
I have no doubt that Vince felt invincible when doing this with his long-time toady and one of his biggest stars that he's notorious for catering/being close with - it's another to go around showing that shit to random tech crews or stars. The possibility is that he may have done so, of course, but it goes against the behavior of trying to keep her away from everyone by having her under Ace and why he didn't promote her 'so as to not make it obvious'.
It’s clear these third party law firms are insufficient in their internal investigations. Often they’re shams to get a pre-selected scapegoat out of the company. I hope some criminal investigation reveals who knew the extent of abuse and failed to report as mandated. Don’t know if that would fall under any ongoing federal/SEC investigation, but until then I personally don’t feel comfortable assuming X person must’ve known the details of this particular incident. We’re not talking about who knew when a player was getting traded or some ridiculous backstage fight - sexual torture and trafficking is too serious for me to feel comfortable associating people with without the proper light shed. Once that’s confirmed the hell with whoever they are.
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Post by ben:friendship frog on Jan 26, 2024 16:23:56 GMT -5
The story of Vince being obsessed with Kane having a 3ft penis in See No Evil somehow got weirder
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Post by Legion on Jan 26, 2024 16:26:03 GMT -5
I’m glad Ms. Grant was brave enough to seek action. I can’t imagine how horrible it would be to go through even a quarter of the things listed. I hope she takes them for the most she can get. You don’t list dates/texts/timeframes if you’re not sure about them and all of those gifts can be traced to see if she received when she claims she did. Regarding unnamed people (ie not Brock); A huge part of this type of abuse is keeping the victim unsure of what’s true so they remain dependent and controlled. Abusers commonly threaten to share/release material they have on someone to make them feel worthless. Some follow through, some don’t. When they don’t, it’s to keep holding it over their heads for more compliance or as its own get-off. Those texts from Vince say he showed her material to a tech crew/other wrestlers - that does not mean he actually did - and it stood out to me as something that would've been done (or not done) specifically to f*** with her head and keep from saying anything to anyone at the company. I have no doubt that Vince felt invincible when doing this with his long-time toady and one of his biggest stars that he's notorious for catering/being close with - it's another to go around showing that shit to random tech crews or stars. The possibility is that he may have done so, of course, but it goes against the behavior of trying to keep her away from everyone by having her under Ace and why he didn't promote her 'so as to not make it obvious'. It’s clear these third party law firms are insufficient in their internal investigations. Often they’re shams to get a pre-selected scapegoat out of the company. I hope some criminal investigation reveals who knew the extent of abuse and failed to report as mandated. Don’t know if that would fall under any ongoing federal/SEC investigation, but until then I personally don’t feel comfortable assuming X person must’ve known the details of this particular incident. We’re not talking about who knew when a player was getting traded or some ridiculous backstage fight - sexual torture and trafficking is too serious for me to feel comfortable associating people with without the proper light shed. Once that’s confirmed the hell with whoever they are. I was literally having that conversation with a friend earlier. Given how he seemed to end it the minute it got out and Linda got wind of it, it seems odd he was showing it off so brazenly. But the idea he told her, so as to humiliate her and control her without actually doing anything, is actually so much worse than if he actually just did it some how. |
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Post by crowley1986 on Jan 26, 2024 16:26:06 GMT -5
The story of Vince being obsessed with Kane having a 3ft penis in See No Evil somehow got weirder like his "thats some good s**t pal" too |
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jan 26, 2024 16:28:09 GMT -5
I’m glad Ms. Grant was brave enough to seek action. I can’t imagine how horrible it would be to go through even a quarter of the things listed. I hope she takes them for the most she can get. You don’t list dates/texts/timeframes if you’re not sure about them and all of those gifts can be traced to see if she received when she claims she did. Regarding unnamed people (ie not Brock); A huge part of this type of abuse is keeping the victim unsure of what’s true so they remain dependent and controlled. Abusers commonly threaten to share/release material they have on someone to make them feel worthless. Some follow through, some don’t. When they don’t, it’s to keep holding it over their heads for more compliance or as its own get-off. Those texts from Vince say he showed her material to a tech crew/other wrestlers - that does not mean he actually did - and it stood out to me as something that would've been done (or not done) specifically to f*** with her head and keep from saying anything to anyone at the company. I have no doubt that Vince felt invincible when doing this with his long-time toady and one of his biggest stars that he's notorious for catering/being close with - it's another to go around showing that shit to random tech crews or stars. The possibility is that he may have done so, of course, but it goes against the behavior of trying to keep her away from everyone by having her under Ace and why he didn't promote her 'so as to not make it obvious'. It’s clear these third party law firms are insufficient in their internal investigations. Often they’re shams to get a pre-selected scapegoat out of the company. I hope some criminal investigation reveals who knew the extent of abuse and failed to report as mandated. Don’t know if that would fall under any ongoing federal/SEC investigation, but until then I personally don’t feel comfortable assuming X person must’ve known the details of this particular incident. We’re not talking about who knew when a player was getting traded or some ridiculous backstage fight - sexual torture and trafficking is too serious for me to feel comfortable associating people with without the proper light shed. Once that’s confirmed the hell with whoever they are. I was literally having that conversation with a friend earlier. Given how he seemed to end it the minute it got out and Linda got wind of it, it seems odd he was showing it off so brazenly. But the idea he told her, so as to humiliate her and control her without actually doing anything, is actually so much worse than if he actually just did it some how. It is actually way more manipulative and kinda fits the Vince knows how to get people to do what he wants narrative surrounding him better certainly. |
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 26, 2024 16:40:49 GMT -5
After reading the documents, I have to wonder about how Grant even got in the position she was in before she ever met Vince. Both her parents die, she loses everything, but can somehow afford to live in an apartment complex with a billionaire CEO. The whole thing almost sounds like a honeypot. I suspect Vince has been doing this kinda stuff for decades and this situation was potentially manufactured to finally catch him with his pants down in a way he couldn't get away with. I am completely speculating though. She was the sole carer for her parents in their dying days, the apartment was probably theirs. Also, trying to find reasons to make the victim a villain is kinda gross. I probably didn't word that correctly. Like I am not trying to imply she did anything bad here. I am suggesting more like a potential Rosa Parks situation. People inside knew Vince was a disgusting piece of crap but could never get hard evidence to bring him down. They possibly bring this girl in to basically push him into getting sloppy. If I was in a position of power in that company and found out Vince was getting away with crap like this, I would be trying to do something similar. |
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Post by Nosnorb on Jan 26, 2024 16:44:05 GMT -5
She was the sole carer for her parents in their dying days, the apartment was probably theirs. Also, trying to find reasons to make the victim a villain is kinda gross. I probably didn't word that correctly. Like I am not trying to imply she did anything bad here. I am suggesting more like a potential Rosa Parks situation. People inside knew Vince was a disgusting piece of crap but could never get hard evidence to bring him down. They possibly bring this girl in to basically push him into getting sloppy. If I was in a position of power in that company and found out Vince was getting away with crap like this, I would be trying to do something similar. That sounds just as gross dude. |
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Post by joeiscool on Jan 26, 2024 16:45:21 GMT -5
Oh yeah for sure. But looking at it from a Brock standpoint. Like did HE actually see it as Vince offering her up as a item for contract or was it just a woman Vince wanted him to sleep with for whatever reason? I wanna know where the standpoint is that Vince's secret twenty-something girlfriend is being discussed as someone Brock wants to sleep with and it can even begin to be said or done in a way that doesn't make her an item in this arrangement. None of this is above board and all of it is slimy. Even if Brock says "Let me f*** your secret twenty-something girlfriend" and Vince goes "sure thing pal here's her number tell her to record herself pissing" that's such a horrible everything that I don't know what you're even beginning to defend here. All of it is awful and exploitative, splitting hairs on if X guy really knew he was exploiting women while gleefully exploiting a woman is absolutely crazy to me. This all stemmed from me calling Brock's actions morally ambiguous... Do I find it weird and slimey? Yes... I also know people in swinger/submission/dom/whatever relationships that are consenting in such lifestyles. It's not my bag. I don't even think I could be involved in such a thing and feel good about my actions even if consensual. But I understand things I'm not comfortable with aren't always what others are... If it sounds like I'm splitting hairs it's because it kinda is. The point I was trying to make is that rational\otherwise decent people might look at what was posted about Brock and think what he did wasn't immoral, hence making it ambiguous. |
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Post by Stu on Jan 26, 2024 16:47:45 GMT -5
She was the sole carer for her parents in their dying days, the apartment was probably theirs. Also, trying to find reasons to make the victim a villain is kinda gross. I probably didn't word that correctly. Like I am not trying to imply she did anything bad here. I am suggesting more like a potential Rosa Parks situation. People inside knew Vince was a disgusting piece of crap but could never get hard evidence to bring him down. They possibly bring this girl in to basically push him into getting sloppy. If I was in a position of power in that company and found out Vince was getting away with crap like this, I would be trying to do something similar. Let's just drop it |
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Post by Gawk Rivers on Jan 26, 2024 16:48:21 GMT -5
He deadass told her I'm not talking to you again if you don't send me a video of you pissing. There's 0 ambiguity in Brock's bits.
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Post by Malcolm on Jan 26, 2024 16:49:27 GMT -5
Gotta admire Vince's limbo skills.
Just when I think he can't go any lower, the old bastard proves me wrong.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 26, 2024 16:51:41 GMT -5
The point I was trying to make is that rational\otherwise decent people might look at what was posted about Brock and think what he did wasn't immoral, hence making it ambiguous. I say this fully aware of the implications being made when I say that I vehemently disagree. |
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Jan 26, 2024 16:52:18 GMT -5
With the thing of “Triple H, Stephanie and Khan wanted to keep Vince off the board, but the men voted him back on anyway”… Wasn’t the fear that Vince would use his veto power as unbreakable majority shareholder (pre sale to Endeavor) to vote against… well, ANYTHING that would go to a vote on the Board Of Directors, let alone the sale of the company and the new TV deals, basically blackmailing everybody into putting him back on?
I think this is something important that should be clarified in any instance where any of those three end up officially implicated in this.
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