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Post by King Devitt on Feb 17, 2024 19:44:42 GMT -5
For context of what he wrote in the article, he also touched on those being happy: This reminds me of those posts of articles you see on Facebook where it will be a bunch of people reacting to what the title of the post is, but not actually reading the entire article.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 17, 2024 19:54:05 GMT -5
For context of what he wrote in the article, he also touched on those being happy: This reminds me of those posts of articles you see on Facebook where it will be a bunch of people reacting to what the title of the post is, but not actually reading the entire article. Nah, it's on OP for very specifically splicing out a small piece of a whole paragraph. We were given what seemed like the entire thought, it just wan't.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 17, 2024 19:55:38 GMT -5
This reminds me of those posts of articles you see on Facebook where it will be a bunch of people reacting to what the title of the post is, but not actually reading the entire article. Nah, it's on OP for very specifically splicing out a small piece of a whole paragraph. We were given what seemed like the entire thought, it just wan't. And also began the OP with "It's been a week, time for another doom and gloom thread" which is an amazing way to endear yourself to the board and instill civil and thoughtful conversations...
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 17, 2024 20:05:05 GMT -5
The economy is not good...rents are crazy high, people are working 2 jobs to afford basic things. Disposable income is down by a huge degree. Most metrics say the economy is good and people are spending more on entertainment than ever before. Go by metrics all you like, there are a lot of people flat out saying they don't have the disposable income to go to wrestling shows or entertainment shows as a whole. It is not good for everyone, numbers don't always show what's actually happening, but a lot of people are f***ing pissed right now and aren't in good financial straits.
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Post by King Devitt on Feb 17, 2024 20:05:50 GMT -5
This reminds me of those posts of articles you see on Facebook where it will be a bunch of people reacting to what the title of the post is, but not actually reading the entire article. Nah, it's on OP for very specifically splicing out a small piece of a whole paragraph. We were given what seemed like the entire thought, it just wan't. mhmm, which reminded me of how people would make titles "on purpose" in those types of articles to mislead people, and those same people would go off without bothering to read further or check up on it. not an apples to apples comparison, but it definitely made me think of those kinds of posts.
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Post by 06vwgti on Feb 17, 2024 20:07:01 GMT -5
Most metrics say the economy is good and people are spending more on entertainment than ever before. Go by metrics all you like, there are a lot of people flat out saying they don't have the disposable income to go to wrestling shows or entertainment shows as a whole. It is not good for everyone, numbers don't always show what's actually happening, but a lot of people are f***ing pissed right now and aren't in good financial straits. NPR has covered this in several segments, which is what I think Mecca is going at with his points www.npr.org/2024/01/12/1224494401/why-good-economic-news-doesnt-always-translate-to-happiness
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Post by Cyno on Feb 17, 2024 20:07:54 GMT -5
"They're also spending more on entertainment than ever before" can also mean that corporate greed-created "inflation" is making people spend more than they normally would. Doesn't necessarily mean they've got a lot more disposable income to throw around than previously.
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Post by GOTHIC CHARISMA 🧊 🥶❄️FURY on Feb 17, 2024 20:10:52 GMT -5
it is kinda funny though that WWE is actually the one that is overpriced to me. I've been able to get fantastic AEW experiences for the money but with raw coming up shortly in my area, very tip top of the arena was like 175-200+. I'll spend a few hundred for a PPV or some of the special AEW Dynamites but I will be damned if I'm gonna spend that much to be bored for most of it.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Feb 17, 2024 20:11:30 GMT -5
Low AEW attendance rates got us dissecting the economy.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Feb 17, 2024 20:18:43 GMT -5
(Takes off my Lawyer suit that I was wearing for the Vince thread, puts on my Economist suit for this one) Gotta be ready to be an expert on anything here!
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 17, 2024 20:21:29 GMT -5
Low AEW attendance rates got us dissecting the economy. It is a factor though, like people aren't spending like they were and some people have openly stated they aren't going to wrestling shows because they don't have the funds like they did even a year ago It's not gonna be a basis for everyone and there are other factors, but one big thing I saw was when AEW increased their ticket prices a bit ago, which they've rolled back on, it hurt their attendance and they're still recovering from it, because people aren't spending like they were and that includes on events like wrestling and live entertainment in general. In other cases, some people might have to choose and AEW might lose out due to that too
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Post by THE FVNKER on Feb 17, 2024 20:29:11 GMT -5
For context of what he wrote in the article, he also touched on those being happy: I get that being a possibility, maybe more so with some of the guys who have already been there for years, but just to play the devil’s advocate.. Anyone who has signed recently, other than tippy top guys really should’ve expected this. There’s only so much TV time and if you’re recently signed talent #213 odds are it’s going to be a minute before you get ample time on TV. I’m also not a booker, talent relations or involved in wrestling whatsoever so maybe that’s just an off base hot take.
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Post by chrom on Feb 17, 2024 20:34:28 GMT -5
"They're also spending more on entertainment than ever before" can also mean that corporate greed-created "inflation" is making people spend more than they normally would. Doesn't necessarily mean they've got a lot more disposable income to throw around than previously. Easy to say people are spending more when you're doubling and tripling the prices on everything.
50 bucks can barely get you a half dozen items nowadays at the store.
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Post by fw91 on Feb 17, 2024 21:04:01 GMT -5
(Takes off my Lawyer suit that I was wearing for the Vince thread, puts on my Economist suit for this one) Gotta be ready to be an expert on anything here! Let me put this to the test. AEW has changed the face of the modern novel forever. Discuss citing specific examples.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 17, 2024 21:31:12 GMT -5
I don't even think "Spending on entertainment is up" and "high cost of living is hurting AEW ticket sales" are even contradictory, and you can see it in how AEW has continued to hold strong PPV sales even with an increased schedule in the back half of last year, amid week to week ticket sales going down. Wrestling is a 'night out' kind of thing, with a lot of extra spending not necessarily related to the entertainment itself in terms of travel, concessions, merchandise. But it's also a show you can watch from home; a very reasonable strategic line would be to start prioritizing entertainment spending on things you can't just stay home and watch on TV for the cost of the TV subscription you've already got. Supporting this is that in looking around for figures, I find primarily reporting on home media spending as the specific sector of 'entertainment' that's reaping huge gains. Streaming services, digital movie rentals, things people can enjoy at home. But then interestingly is this bit: "When pay TV subscriptions are included the entertainment market jumped to $133.5 billion, a slight drop-off from in 2020 ($133.7 billion). In recent years total domestic entertainment dollars have been dropping caused by a decline in physical sales and pay TV subscription cancellations. Despite the fall-off, pay TV subscriptions accounted for 73% of home/mobile/theatrical dollars, followed by digital 22%." I don't think it's too weird a leap that entertainment spending could be up, while economic factors coudl still negatively be impacting 'night out' style entertainment.
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Post by jm on Feb 17, 2024 21:36:10 GMT -5
Nah, it's on OP for very specifically splicing out a small piece of a whole paragraph. We were given what seemed like the entire thought, it just wan't. And also began the OP with "It's been a week, time for another doom and gloom thread" which is an amazing way to endear yourself to the board and instill civil and thoughtful conversations... The OP routinely comes in here and posts out of context anti-AEW posts. So it's best to put them on your ignore list
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Post by fw91 on Feb 17, 2024 21:52:21 GMT -5
f*** it. Go ahead and slam me. Stop shaming the OP. He took something he saw and posted it. His "doom and gloom" line was making fun of the hyperbole people display about AEW. He hasn't slammed the company in anyway and even said Meltzer sounded vaugue in his comments. Why alienate somebody who doesn't deserve it?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 17, 2024 22:02:41 GMT -5
f*** it. Go ahead and slam me. Stop shaming the OP. He took something he saw and posted it. His "doom and gloom" line was making fun of the hyperbole people display about AEW. He hasn't slammed the company in anyway and even said Meltzer sounded vaugue in his comments. Why alienate somebody who doesn't deserve it? I'm not alienating or shaming anyone, I did think however it was both an unnecessary inclusion and he half commented the post as a whole to make it seem more negative and give people half information. That's also not really cool to do on the flipside, it's not hard to post a full quote when it's all in the same paragraph, it was a bit cherrypicked. The comments being made by other people are off a running trend and not just this post, I'm not going to agree one way or the other on the users intentions as a whole, but this was a bit of a suspect way to present this topic specifically, especially when as you said, he thought it was stupid too.
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Post by fw91 on Feb 17, 2024 22:06:35 GMT -5
f*** it. Go ahead and slam me. Stop shaming the OP. He took something he saw and posted it. His "doom and gloom" line was making fun of the hyperbole people display about AEW. He hasn't slammed the company in anyway and even said Meltzer sounded vaugue in his comments. Why alienate somebody who doesn't deserve it? I'm not alienating or shaming anyone, I did think however it was both an unnecessary inclusion and he half commented the post as a whole to make it seem more negative and give people half information. That's also not really cool to do on the flipside, it's not hard to post a full quote when it's all in the same paragraph, it was a bit cherrypicked. The comments being made by other people are off a running trend and not just this post, I'm not going to agree one way or the other on the users intentions as a whole, but this was a bit of a suspect way to present this topic specifically, especially when as you said, he thought it was stupid too. People are human, he probably thought it was an interesting talking point. You know as well as my do even moreso than me as you seem to frequent reddit, that there is obvious tribal intent in some internet folk's posts. Don't think the OP hits that mark.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 17, 2024 22:15:19 GMT -5
I'm not alienating or shaming anyone, I did think however it was both an unnecessary inclusion and he half commented the post as a whole to make it seem more negative and give people half information. That's also not really cool to do on the flipside, it's not hard to post a full quote when it's all in the same paragraph, it was a bit cherrypicked. The comments being made by other people are off a running trend and not just this post, I'm not going to agree one way or the other on the users intentions as a whole, but this was a bit of a suspect way to present this topic specifically, especially when as you said, he thought it was stupid too. People are human, he probably thought it was an interesting talking point. You know as well as my do even moreso than me as you seem to frequent reddit, that there is obvious tribal intent in some internet folk's posts. Don't think the OP hits that mark. Not saying his intent was to incite negativity, the talking point is fine because it is a weird Meltzer quote and he's been weird lately, but there was a full quote to discuss that made things seem a bit more even kilter, was all I'm trying to say, and other posters who don't really take sides pointed out the same thing.
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