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Post by Jaws the Shark on Feb 25, 2024 13:37:28 GMT -5
Ric Flair has a lot of skeletons in his closet that will come out after his death. Hogan too probably. I suspect with Hogan it'll mostly be drugs, quite a few people have said he was a huge coke fiend. Obviously some of them like Billy Jack Haynes and Billy Graham aren't exactly renowned as reliable sources on anything, but there was an interview I read years ago with a wrestler who said he had been in one territory or another - it might've been Florida - with Hogan and Rick McGraw, and the two had been gym buddies who would do a line of speed or coke before their workout. Moondog Rex talked about having done drugs with him in the eighties too. I hate to think what'll come out about Flair, but yeah, I think there's a good chance that there'll be an absolute deluge of allegations against him once he dies.
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Post by bluebeach25 on Feb 25, 2024 14:01:50 GMT -5
Didn't Hogan allegedly do this with someone else, too? I wouldn't doubt it, but can't think of any other clean loss with as high a profile in Hogan's career I know the loss wasn't Clean but Yokozuna joining WCW to give Hogan his win back was another Rumor. I mean i have no idea in what kind of shape Yoko was around in that Era, but it he probably wasn't able to have a Match! Hogan obviously could have thought him getting his win back, would be a big deal.. Yoko was the Guy he lost to and wasn't in WWF for like a Decade afterwards.
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Post by CeilingFan on Feb 25, 2024 14:25:55 GMT -5
Warrior himself stated this in the final celebratory DVD they made of him. Just heard non-answers from Bischoff or Hogan on the matter. Didn't Hogan allegedly do this with someone else, too? Rumor has it that Hogan wanted to bring in Yokozuna.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Feb 25, 2024 14:51:42 GMT -5
Punk was right about people leaking info about him and Colt to dirtsheets, but it was Jericho not the Bucks who was talking to them
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 25, 2024 14:53:33 GMT -5
Ric Flair has a lot of skeletons in his closet that will come out after his death. Hogan too probably. I suspect with Hogan it'll mostly be drugs, quite a few people have said he was a huge coke fiend. Obviously some of them like Billy Jack Haynes and Billy Graham aren't exactly renowned as reliable sources on anything, but there was an interview I read years ago with a wrestler who said he had been in one territory or another - it might've been Florida - with Hogan and Rick McGraw, and the two had been gym buddies who would do a line of speed or coke before their workout. Moondog Rex talked about having done drugs with him in the eighties too. I hate to think what'll come out about Flair, but yeah, I think there's a good chance that there'll be an absolute deluge of allegations against him once he dies. The man said he was advised against going into politics due to the skeletons in his closet. Yeah, there's gonna be a lot of shit that comes out after Ric's death.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Feb 25, 2024 15:01:02 GMT -5
I wouldn't doubt it, but can't think of any other clean loss with as high a profile in Hogan's career I know the loss wasn't Clean but Yokozuna joining WCW to give Hogan his win back was another Rumor. I mean i have no idea in what kind of shape Yoko was around in that Era, but it he probably wasn't able to have a Match! Hogan obviously could have thought him getting his win back, would be a big deal.. Yoko was the Guy he lost to and wasn't in WWF for like a Decade afterwards. Well, you know what that means brother! Hulk Hogan gonna get his win back by somehow beating Yoko's descendant for the WWE Universal Championship - the Tribal Chief Roman Reigns! Cody's story be damned! Die Rocky Die!
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Post by Feyrhausen on Feb 25, 2024 15:13:46 GMT -5
Warrior himself stated this in the final celebratory DVD they made of him. Just heard non-answers from Bischoff or Hogan on the matter. Didn't Hogan allegedly do this with someone else, too? Word always was he wanted Yokozuna hired but he was too fat to pass physicals. Edit. Now I see it was brought up twice already.
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Post by bogussting on Feb 25, 2024 15:46:40 GMT -5
Warrior only was brought to WCW so that Hogan gets his win back.. I don't if this isn't even a fact, instead of just a Conspiracy. Warrior himself stated this in the final celebratory DVD they made of him. Just heard non-answers from Bischoff or Hogan on the matter. i know Kevin Sullivan has confirmed it.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Feb 25, 2024 16:01:04 GMT -5
To the one that mentioned this earlier in the Thread about Rey winning the title in 06! nah i don't think that would have happened one bit tbh. There was nothing that makes it seriously that Rey would have won the title at WM 22 had Eddie still been around. Orton was originaly supposed to win the Rumble that Year. HBK vs Eddie would have happened most likely instead of HBK vs Vince. I think Rey was destined to win the title at some point. Dude had multiple Ws over Eddie in 05, and he beat JBL clean after the Eddie fued as well. If Orton was the one that would of dethroned Batista, then Rey would of dethroned Orton after
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 25, 2024 16:03:49 GMT -5
Is it a conspiracy theory to say that I think Triple H and Chyna were drifting apart, anyway, and that Stephanie wasn't specifically at fault for their split?
I am not saying she was a complete non-factor, but the picture painted from a lot of different camps that Chyna increasingly saw herself as a star (not entirely unreasonably), and that Triple H was trying to facilitate that rising star, something that kept happening even after Stephanie was in the picture, with 2000 probably being Chyna's strongest year. Chyna's disinterest with working with the women and her wanting to leave wrestling behind her for a bigger stage probably caused her difficulties in WWE more than Triple H or Steph did at the end.
Like, I do not remember when this was, but I do remember Triple H giving a sort of diplomatic account of what happened with Chyna and Sable, without saying it was them, in saying that people sometimes get mainstream success outside of WWE and dismiss the fact that their WWE connection is part of why those parties were interested in working with them in the first place, that they wanted to benefit from the cross promotion, which is certainly what happened with Playboy. Once they left WWE, the calls would dry up because they weren't on TV anymore and those parties had less to gain from hiring them.
There's obviously plenty of counterarguments to this, and that WWE has also leeched off of people like Rock and Cena as long as they could manage at times, or WWE undermining efforts of guys to get over away from them by not bothering to promote other projects, but I do think that yeah, casting Triple H in the villain of Chyna's downward spiral has always felt a little too convenient, and not really supported by the actual timeline of her rise and all.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 25, 2024 16:08:57 GMT -5
Warrior only was brought to WCW so that Hogan gets his win back.. I don't if this isn't even a fact, instead of just a Conspiracy. Warrior himself stated this in the final celebratory DVD they made of him. Just heard non-answers from Bischoff or Hogan on the matter. It's weird for them to even deny it, since sure, it's easy to paint that as an ego thing, but it also just makes sense from a promotional perspective. Piper vs Hogan happened because Hogan had never really definitively beaten Piper, and Warrior obviously had the big win over Hogan. If you want to promote your heel asshole champion, bringing in people who could possibly take him down a peg is the easiest story you could really tell. So, on that front, if Yokozuna had been able to be down to working weight, WCW wanting to cut him a check would have made sense even as late as 1999. Of course, that was a big "if", and Yokozuna unfortunately screwed himself out of being part of the peak years of the Attitude Era in either company when both would have been more than willing to book him. His lack of discipline, and his obsession with becoming the biggest, made him a liability.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 25, 2024 16:10:38 GMT -5
To the one that mentioned this earlier in the Thread about Rey winning the title in 06! nah i don't think that would have happened one bit tbh. There was nothing that makes it seriously that Rey would have won the title at WM 22 had Eddie still been around. Orton was originaly supposed to win the Rumble that Year. HBK vs Eddie would have happened most likely instead of HBK vs Vince. I think Rey was destined to win the title at some point. Dude had multiple Ws over Eddie in 05, and he beat JBL clean after the Eddie fued as well. If Orton was the one that would of dethroned Batista, then Rey would of dethroned Orton after Probably, he was certainly a popular guy who had tangled with a shitload of main eventers for years and years. It just is difficult to really tell when it would have happened, even if it probably would have been a transitional reign, regardless.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Feb 25, 2024 16:34:55 GMT -5
Is it a conspiracy theory to say that I think Triple H and Chyna were drifting apart, anyway, and that Stephanie wasn't specifically at fault for their split? I am not saying she was a complete non-factor, but the picture painted from a lot of different camps that Chyna increasingly saw herself as a star (not entirely unreasonably), and that Triple H was trying to facilitate that rising star, something that kept happening even after Stephanie was in the picture, with 2000 probably being Chyna's strongest year. Chyna's disinterest with working with the women and her wanting to leave wrestling behind her for a bigger stage probably caused her difficulties in WWE more than Triple H or Steph did at the end. Like, I do not remember when this was, but I do remember Triple H giving a sort of diplomatic account of what happened with Chyna and Sable, without saying it was them, in saying that people sometimes get mainstream success outside of WWE and dismiss the fact that their WWE connection is part of why those parties were interested in working with them in the first place, that they wanted to benefit from the cross promotion, which is certainly what happened with Playboy. Once they left WWE, the calls would dry up because they weren't on TV anymore and those parties had less to gain from hiring them. There's obviously plenty of counterarguments to this, and that WWE has also leeched off of people like Rock and Cena as long as they could manage at times, or WWE undermining efforts of guys to get over away from them by not bothering to promote other projects, but I do think that yeah, casting Triple H in the villain of Chyna's downward spiral has always felt a little too convenient, and not really supported by the actual timeline of her rise and all. Who knows what part Stephanie played in the Triple H Chyna split? Quite honestly it is no ones business but the three of them. Maybe Steph seduced H away from Chyna. Maybe Chyna and H were already on the rocks. Maybe H and Steph went behind Chynas back or maybe nothing happened until H and Chyna were over. No ones business really. What I will fully agree with is that the breakup had nothing to do with Chyna being on the outs with WWE. If Vince thought he could make money with her then he would tell H and Steph to suck it up and deal with it. Her ego was out of control, and most likely her drug use. She drove herself out of wrestling.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Feb 25, 2024 17:18:39 GMT -5
Steph and Triple H were the ones that leaked Vince's NDAs. Oh they absolutely did.
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Post by Hulkshi Tanahashi on Feb 25, 2024 17:19:00 GMT -5
I don't personally believe that Vince Russo was sent to WCW to destroy so that McMahon could bye it on the cheap, but if you look at all the shit that happened after he joined WCW, I can see why people would believe that.
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Post by ANuclearError on Feb 25, 2024 17:19:13 GMT -5
I suspect with Hogan it'll mostly be drugs, quite a few people have said he was a huge coke fiend. Obviously some of them like Billy Jack Haynes and Billy Graham aren't exactly renowned as reliable sources on anything, but there was an interview I read years ago with a wrestler who said he had been in one territory or another - it might've been Florida - with Hogan and Rick McGraw, and the two had been gym buddies who would do a line of speed or coke before their workout. Moondog Rex talked about having done drugs with him in the eighties too. I hate to think what'll come out about Flair, but yeah, I think there's a good chance that there'll be an absolute deluge of allegations against him once he dies. The man said he was advised against going into politics due to the skeletons in his closet. Yeah, there's gonna be a lot of shit that comes out after Ric's death. Honestly, I was amazed at how upfront he was about that, the complete lack of selfawareness was astounding.
It makes you worry what he got up to that he doesn't wanna talk about.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 25, 2024 17:21:35 GMT -5
To the one that mentioned this earlier in the Thread about Rey winning the title in 06! nah i don't think that would have happened one bit tbh. There was nothing that makes it seriously that Rey would have won the title at WM 22 had Eddie still been around. Orton was originaly supposed to win the Rumble that Year. HBK vs Eddie would have happened most likely instead of HBK vs Vince. I think Rey was destined to win the title at some point. Dude had multiple Ws over Eddie in 05, and he beat JBL clean after the Eddie fued as well. If Orton was the one that would of dethroned Batista, then Rey would of dethroned Orton after Yeah, Eddie spent the last year of his life making Rey Mysterio a main eventer. Would he have won at Mania if not for Eddie's untimely death? Probably not, but he was a solid main event star before Eddie's death.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 25, 2024 17:23:29 GMT -5
Punk was right about people leaking info about him and Colt to dirtsheets, but it was Jericho not the Bucks who was talking to them Also the call was coming from inside the house... as Meltzer mentioned that he had never gotten any information from the Young Bucks... but he HAD gotten information from CM Punk.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Feb 25, 2024 17:24:03 GMT -5
I don't believe so much as always wonder whether the yakuza had any role in the 2000 AJPW walk-out and formation of NOAH, given the NOAH yakuza scandal years later.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 25, 2024 17:32:29 GMT -5
I don't believe so much as always wonder whether the yakuza had any role in the 2000 AJPW walk-out and formation of NOAH, given the NOAH yakuza scandal years later. Maybe not directly, as in, if Misawa sought them as a money backer before forming NOAH, I wouldn't be remotely shocked. You don't really do what he did without an exit plan. I may be remembering wrong, but didn't Jerry Jarrett, for instance, basically go to the TV network before walking out on Nick Gulas to ensure they were going to back him in the split? Maybe that's where Lance Russell came into play, but yeah, Jarrett himself and Jerry Lawler were the territory's biggest stars, and George Gulas was uhhh George Gulas, so it probably wasn't a terribly hard pitch to back him. Similarly, if the Yakuza were going to choose someone, it was probably going to be the guy they'd later be part of the pressure keeping him as the top guy, since they were more into Misawa and Kobashi than they were Marufuji and KENTA. Mrs. Baba was kinda f***ed either way.
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