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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 25, 2024 23:22:02 GMT -5
I think he legit injured it. Nothing career ending but it was a legit injury. Yeah the pill addiction is what kept him retired for 4 years, but I think he did have a significant injury that would have kept him out for months if he was sober. Remember, he didn't work No Way Out and was infamously replaced with Savio Vega. He absolutely injured his back. But he was supposed to be back a few times before his big return. Like his stint as Commissioner I think was meant to be longer, also when he turned heel on the rock on the first Smackdown. But he was still too messed up on drugs to be reliable... and one of those two times they found him passed out backstage. It'd also go a ways towards explaining them bothering to put him in Smackdown 2 despite him not having made it on the first game's roster. A surprising omission for the first, maybe, that could have been why they included him, but it also could be in anticipation of a sooner return. |
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Post by fw91 on Feb 25, 2024 23:25:07 GMT -5
He absolutely injured his back. But he was supposed to be back a few times before his big return. Like his stint as Commissioner I think was meant to be longer, also when he turned heel on the rock on the first Smackdown. But he was still too messed up on drugs to be reliable... and one of those two times they found him passed out backstage. It'd also go a ways towards explaining them bothering to put him in Smackdown 2 despite him not having made it on the first game's roster. A surprising omission for the first, maybe, that could have been why they included him, but it also could be in anticipation of a sooner return. For some reason, he was still a staple in video games. Attitude, Mania 2000, No Mercy. He was featured in all of them. Smackdown 1 is an outlier. |
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Post by IgnahtaSempria on Feb 25, 2024 23:46:26 GMT -5
This is a story I remember floating around during the Chikara shutdown angle that I didn't initially believe, but knowing what I know now about Mike Quackenbush, I'm leaning more towards being potentially true:
The theory goes that Quack was going through a divorce, and he was afraid that his ex-wife would take half the company in the split. Being a control freak who couldn't handle the idea of anyone other than him making decisions for Chikara, he decided to "shut down" the company so it wouldn't be considered an asset in the divorce, while also setting up the satellite Wrestling Is... promotions with puppet promoters in place so he could keep the roster together until he could re-establish the company post-settlement.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 25, 2024 23:53:11 GMT -5
This is a story I remember floating around during the Chikara shutdown angle that I didn't initially believe, but knowing what I know now about Mike Quackenbush, I'm leaning more towards being potentially true: The theory goes that Quack was going through a divorce, and he was afraid that his ex-wife would take half the company in the split. Being a control freak who couldn't handle the idea of anyone other than him making decisions for Chikara, he decided to "shut down" the company so it wouldn't be considered an asset in the divorce, while also setting up the satellite Wrestling Is... promotions with puppet promoters in place so he could keep the roster together until he could re-establish the company post-settlement. splitting the company up like that wouldn't stop his ex-wife from getting things. If he did something like that it would be hiding assets and he'd be in bigger trouble for it. Also I think Chikara as a company (legal company) ever actually dissolved. I think it's far more likely Mike Quackenbush control freak that he is got the idea of the bad guys winning and closing the company down for a season in his head and wouldn't listen to anyone that was telling him what a bad idea it was. |
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Feb 26, 2024 5:37:28 GMT -5
I suspect with Hogan it'll mostly be drugs, quite a few people have said he was a huge coke fiend. Obviously some of them like Billy Jack Haynes and Billy Graham aren't exactly renowned as reliable sources on anything, but there was an interview I read years ago with a wrestler who said he had been in one territory or another - it might've been Florida - with Hogan and Rick McGraw, and the two had been gym buddies who would do a line of speed or coke before their workout. Moondog Rex talked about having done drugs with him in the eighties too. I hate to think what'll come out about Flair, but yeah, I think there's a good chance that there'll be an absolute deluge of allegations against him once he dies. Coke in the 1980's was as normal as weed is today. I am not going to say it does not have VERY NEGATIVE side-effects, as Robin Williams often blamed it for ruining his mind, but it was generally more pure at that time. Today, it's so deadly because dealers lace it with a bunch of junk It was, but he always denied being a cokehead in the eighties and the allegations have never been more than a couple of eighties midcarders and Billy Graham. It'll be a scandal in the same way that him using steroids was a scandal: yeah, they were all at it and in hindsight it was pretty bloody obvious and won't be remotely surprising to anyone who knows, and it won't be on the level of what has come out about McMahon or what could/will come out about Flair, but it'll still be controversial because of the public image versus the reality. |
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Post by mattyy on Feb 26, 2024 6:22:10 GMT -5
This is a story I remember floating around during the Chikara shutdown angle that I didn't initially believe, but knowing what I know now about Mike Quackenbush, I'm leaning more towards being potentially true: The theory goes that Quack was going through a divorce, and he was afraid that his ex-wife would take half the company in the split. Being a control freak who couldn't handle the idea of anyone other than him making decisions for Chikara, he decided to "shut down" the company so it wouldn't be considered an asset in the divorce, while also setting up the satellite Wrestling Is... promotions with puppet promoters in place so he could keep the roster together until he could re-establish the company post-settlement. splitting the company up like that wouldn't stop his ex-wife from getting things. If he did something like that it would be hiding assets and he'd be in bigger trouble for it. Also I think Chikara as a company (legal company) ever actually dissolved. I think it's far more likely Mike Quackenbush control freak that he is got the idea of the bad guys winning and closing the company down for a season in his head and wouldn't listen to anyone that was telling him what a bad idea it was. Leonard F. Chikarason debunked this in a podcast with Bix last year. Plus it's obvious if you were watching the CHIKARA/Wrestling Is products from around that time that this was all a giant angle that had been building since 2011. |
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Post by thecrusherwi on Feb 26, 2024 14:15:55 GMT -5
Coke in the 1980's was as normal as weed is today. I am not going to say it does not have VERY NEGATIVE side-effects, as Robin Williams often blamed it for ruining his mind, but it was generally more pure at that time. Today, it's so deadly because dealers lace it with a bunch of junk It was, but he always denied being a cokehead in the eighties and the allegations have never been more than a couple of eighties midcarders and Billy Graham. It'll be a scandal in the same way that him using steroids was a scandal: yeah, they were all at it and in hindsight it was pretty bloody obvious and won't be remotely surprising to anyone who knows, and it won't be on the level of what has come out about McMahon or what could/will come out about Flair, but it'll still be controversial because of the public image versus the reality. If Hogan lives another 10-15 years and all new that comes out about him is that he had a coke habit 40-50 years ago that was more than known, I suspect hardly anyone will care. |
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Post by Jaws the Shark on Feb 26, 2024 14:37:09 GMT -5
It was, but he always denied being a cokehead in the eighties and the allegations have never been more than a couple of eighties midcarders and Billy Graham. It'll be a scandal in the same way that him using steroids was a scandal: yeah, they were all at it and in hindsight it was pretty bloody obvious and won't be remotely surprising to anyone who knows, and it won't be on the level of what has come out about McMahon or what could/will come out about Flair, but it'll still be controversial because of the public image versus the reality. If Hogan lives another 10-15 years and all new that comes out about him is that he had a coke habit 40-50 years ago that was more than known, I suspect hardly anyone will care. I'm not saying it'll be a big scandal, just that I think that's probably the most likely thing if there was to be some "unknown" skeletons. |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Feb 26, 2024 14:37:46 GMT -5
I believed the Quack/Divorce thing for a long time because Quack is a known womanizer and cause of the disappearance of Saturyne. Took a mixture of a bunch of people coming out saying Quack saw the shut down as his magnum opus and not listening to others saying it wouldn't work (also turns out Saturyne/Hania the Huntress has a huge ego and got hurself fired by TNA/Impact in like 2 weeks)
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Post by Rolent Tex on Feb 26, 2024 14:39:24 GMT -5
I know the loss wasn't Clean but Yokozuna joining WCW to give Hogan his win back was another Rumor. I mean i have no idea in what kind of shape Yoko was around in that Era, but it he probably wasn't able to have a Match! Hogan obviously could have thought him getting his win back, would be a big deal.. Yoko was the Guy he lost to and wasn't in WWF for like a Decade afterwards. Well, you know what that means brother! Hulk Hogan gonna get his win back by somehow beating Yoko's descendant for the WWE Universal Championship - the Tribal Chief Roman Reigns! Cody's story be damned! Die Rocky Die! Why Roman? Solos legitimate real life middle name is Yokozuna. |
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Post by XIII on Feb 26, 2024 14:44:41 GMT -5
I don't personally believe that Vince Russo was sent to WCW to destroy so that McMahon could bye it on the cheap, but if you look at all the shit that happened after he joined WCW, I can see why people would believe that. If that were at all true, there’s no way in hell Russo wouldn’t have said it roughly 9 billion times by now. It’s way more likely that Vince knew that Russo and Ferrara were dogshit writers and was more than happy to send them over. lol |
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 1, 2024 9:49:24 GMT -5
I fully believe that rumor that Quack was insecure about all the good looking men in Chikara which is why 80% of them wore masks.
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Post by 4real on Mar 1, 2024 12:35:25 GMT -5
I don't know if conspiracy is the right term but I fully believe Rey Mysterio was always going to win the World title in 2006 even if Eddie didn't die. Even if it wasn’t 2006 it was going to happen. Rey even got passed up for a title shot at No Mercy 05 in favour of Eddie. Teddy Long was going to announce it but got cut off by Palmer Cannon (remember him?) I believe. Rey was massively over and the only way was up. |
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Mar 1, 2024 12:38:19 GMT -5
I fully believe that rumor that Quack was insecure about all the good looking men in Chikara which is why 80% of them wore masks. And yet Sexy Chuckie T was allowed to parade around showing off these boyish good looks unimpeded somehow  |
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Mar 1, 2024 13:05:44 GMT -5
I fully believe that rumor that Quack was insecure about all the good looking men in Chikara which is why 80% of them wore masks. Putting attractive men under masks is the Lucha way. Dr. Wagner Jr. legitimately has leading man good looks and he was under a mask for almost 40 years. The reason he did it (other than the Lucha thing) was the same reason he purposely trained people in a very specific way: to make sure that his talent couldn't use Chikara as a springboard for the outside wrestling world. Especially once Claudio left and the WrestleFactory became under the complete control of Quack, there's a reason no one post-2008 broke out. |
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 1, 2024 13:19:49 GMT -5
DJ Hyde was behind GCW events having cops show up to shut it down multiple times and he snitched on them having a future deathmatch tournament in Delaware causing that to get shut down.
I also believe CM Punk was the reason but not the catalyst for getting Colt Cabana off TV based on stories promoter friends have told me. It was more on TK trying to keep his biggest acquisition happy.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 1, 2024 14:13:39 GMT -5
I fully believe that rumor that Quack was insecure about all the good looking men in Chikara which is why 80% of them wore masks. Putting attractive men under masks is the Lucha way. Dr. Wagner Jr. legitimately has leading man good looks and he was under a mask for almost 40 years. The reason he did it (other than the Lucha thing) was the same reason he purposely trained people in a very specific way: to make sure that his talent couldn't use Chikara as a springboard for the outside wrestling world. Especially once Claudio left and the WrestleFactory became under the complete control of Quack, there's a reason no one post-2008 broke out. Yeah, I think the mask bit was started as I want to make a lucha promotion and then later was just part of Quack's control freak nature. Since he owned the gimmicks he basically controlled people's careers. You're in a mask so no one knows what you look like, and you can't use the name that you might have built up a following for. See the long ass letter he wrote about how no one wants to see Orange Cassidy wrestle but he gets requests daily for Fire Ant. |
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Post by salz4life on Mar 1, 2024 14:58:12 GMT -5
Mr. America was actually Hulk Hogan in a mask Brother..... who you been talking to, dude!? |
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Post by salz4life on Mar 1, 2024 15:03:22 GMT -5
Is it a conspiracy theory to say that I think Triple H and Chyna were drifting apart, anyway, and that Stephanie wasn't specifically at fault for their split? I am not saying she was a complete non-factor, but the picture painted from a lot of different camps that Chyna increasingly saw herself as a star (not entirely unreasonably), and that Triple H was trying to facilitate that rising star, something that kept happening even after Stephanie was in the picture, with 2000 probably being Chyna's strongest year. Chyna's disinterest with working with the women and her wanting to leave wrestling behind her for a bigger stage probably caused her difficulties in WWE more than Triple H or Steph did at the end. Like, I do not remember when this was, but I do remember Triple H giving a sort of diplomatic account of what happened with Chyna and Sable, without saying it was them, in saying that people sometimes get mainstream success outside of WWE and dismiss the fact that their WWE connection is part of why those parties were interested in working with them in the first place, that they wanted to benefit from the cross promotion, which is certainly what happened with Playboy. Once they left WWE, the calls would dry up because they weren't on TV anymore and those parties had less to gain from hiring them. There's obviously plenty of counterarguments to this, and that WWE has also leeched off of people like Rock and Cena as long as they could manage at times, or WWE undermining efforts of guys to get over away from them by not bothering to promote other projects, but I do think that yeah, casting Triple H in the villain of Chyna's downward spiral has always felt a little too convenient, and not really supported by the actual timeline of her rise and all. Who knows what part Stephanie played in the Triple H Chyna split? Quite honestly it is no ones business but the three of them. Maybe Steph seduced H away from Chyna. Maybe Chyna and H were already on the rocks. Maybe H and Steph went behind Chynas back or maybe nothing happened until H and Chyna were over. No ones business really. What I will fully agree with is that the breakup had nothing to do with Chyna being on the outs with WWE. If Vince thought he could make money with her then he would tell H and Steph to suck it up and deal with it. Her ego was out of control, and most likely her drug use. She drove herself out of wrestling. Was Chyna's drug use going on when she was still with Hunter? Hunter was sort of anti-drug (maybe besides the gas) wasn't he? If Chyna were doing the hard partying then, I would think that would definitely cause a rift in their relationship. I always thought the wild Chyna didn't start until after she left WWE. |
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Post by salz4life on Mar 1, 2024 15:05:03 GMT -5
I don't personally believe that Vince Russo was sent to WCW to destroy so that McMahon could bye it on the cheap, but if you look at all the shit that happened after he joined WCW, I can see why people would believe that. Nah... I think Vince Russo simply thought he wasn't valued by VKM enough and though he could go to WCW and beat VKM at his own game. |
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