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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 25, 2024 19:56:48 GMT -5
I don't personally believe that Vince Russo was sent to WCW to destroy so that McMahon could bye it on the cheap, but if you look at all the shit that happened after he joined WCW, I can see why people would believe that. If that were at all true, there’s no way in hell Russo wouldn’t have said it roughly 9 billion times by now.
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Post by Doo Doo Dickhead on Feb 25, 2024 19:59:41 GMT -5
Tino Sabbatelli was spying on AEW for WWE.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 25, 2024 20:00:33 GMT -5
I don't personally believe that Vince Russo was sent to WCW to destroy so that McMahon could bye it on the cheap, but if you look at all the shit that happened after he joined WCW, I can see why people would believe that. If that were at all true, there’s no way in hell Russo wouldn’t have said it roughly 9 billion times by now. Yeah, also the fact that Russo's booking is exactly the same everywhere else it was as it was in WCW. That said I'm sure the only reason he hasn't said that he was sent there to sabotage WCW is because it would imply his ideas are terrible garbage that no one wants to see and his ego won't allow that.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 25, 2024 20:02:55 GMT -5
If that were at all true, there’s no way in hell Russo wouldn’t have said it roughly 9 billion times by now. Yeah, also the fact that Russo's booking is exactly the same everywhere else it was as it was in WCW. That said I'm sure the only reason he hasn't said that he was sent there to sabotage WCW is because it would imply his ideas are terrible garbage that no one wants to see and his ego won't allow that. As far as I know, he left WWF because he got this crazy idea in his head that having to write 52 more shows a year ought to come with an increase in pay or failing that, the ability to live closer to his family. He was told no and hire a nanny. So he did something reasonable for a change and quit.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Feb 25, 2024 20:10:47 GMT -5
Ric Flair has a lot of skeletons in his closet that will come out after his death. Hogan too probably. I suspect with Hogan it'll mostly be drugs, quite a few people have said he was a huge coke fiend. Obviously some of them like Billy Jack Haynes and Billy Graham aren't exactly renowned as reliable sources on anything, but there was an interview I read years ago with a wrestler who said he had been in one territory or another - it might've been Florida - with Hogan and Rick McGraw, and the two had been gym buddies who would do a line of speed or coke before their workout. Moondog Rex talked about having done drugs with him in the eighties too. I hate to think what'll come out about Flair, but yeah, I think there's a good chance that there'll be an absolute deluge of allegations against him once he dies. Coke in the 1980's was as normal as weed is today. I am not going to say it does not have VERY NEGATIVE side-effects, as Robin Williams often blamed it for ruining his mind, but it was generally more pure at that time. Today, it's so deadly because dealers lace it with a bunch of junk
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Post by J. Hova on Feb 25, 2024 20:13:17 GMT -5
Yeah, also the fact that Russo's booking is exactly the same everywhere else it was as it was in WCW. That said I'm sure the only reason he hasn't said that he was sent there to sabotage WCW is because it would imply his ideas are terrible garbage that no one wants to see and his ego won't allow that. As far as I know, he left WWF because he got this crazy idea in his head that having to write 52 more shows a year ought to come with an increase in pay or failing that, the ability to live closer to his family. He was told no and hire a nanny. So he did something reasonable for a change and quit. To be fair, I don't think anyone has had a problem with Vince leaving, it is the way he did it. The story I always heard is that he waited until the crew was getting back from an overseas tour, sent a note or message to VKM and said, "I'm going to WCW." Essentially immediately and the show was like 45 minutes from his house.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 25, 2024 20:15:47 GMT -5
Russo didn't send Mike Johnson an email of commentary notes meant for Mike Tenay, thereby confirming he was secretly on TNA's payroll, by accident. I think he wanted the info out there, wanted 'credit' for his work, and maybe wanted to thumb his nose at the network's explicit "don't hire Vince Russo" directive. But it was intentional
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Feb 25, 2024 20:16:20 GMT -5
Is it a conspiracy theory to say that I think Triple H and Chyna were drifting apart, anyway, and that Stephanie wasn't specifically at fault for their split? I am not saying she was a complete non-factor, but the picture painted from a lot of different camps that Chyna increasingly saw herself as a star (not entirely unreasonably), and that Triple H was trying to facilitate that rising star, something that kept happening even after Stephanie was in the picture, with 2000 probably being Chyna's strongest year. Chyna's disinterest with working with the women and her wanting to leave wrestling behind her for a bigger stage probably caused her difficulties in WWE more than Triple H or Steph did at the end. Like, I do not remember when this was, but I do remember Triple H giving a sort of diplomatic account of what happened with Chyna and Sable, without saying it was them, in saying that people sometimes get mainstream success outside of WWE and dismiss the fact that their WWE connection is part of why those parties were interested in working with them in the first place, that they wanted to benefit from the cross promotion, which is certainly what happened with Playboy. Once they left WWE, the calls would dry up because they weren't on TV anymore and those parties had less to gain from hiring them. There's obviously plenty of counterarguments to this, and that WWE has also leeched off of people like Rock and Cena as long as they could manage at times, or WWE undermining efforts of guys to get over away from them by not bothering to promote other projects, but I do think that yeah, casting Triple H in the villain of Chyna's downward spiral has always felt a little too convenient, and not really supported by the actual timeline of her rise and all. Who knows what part Stephanie played in the Triple H Chyna split? Quite honestly it is no ones business but the three of them. Maybe Steph seduced H away from Chyna. Maybe Chyna and H were already on the rocks. Maybe H and Steph went behind Chynas back or maybe nothing happened until H and Chyna were over. No ones business really. What I will fully agree with is that the breakup had nothing to do with Chyna being on the outs with WWE. If Vince thought he could make money with her then he would tell H and Steph to suck it up and deal with it. Her ego was out of control, and most likely her drug use. She drove herself out of wrestling. I blame VKM for most of that situation. Relationships can be messy and people drift apart. Chyna was put in a zero win situation. Chyna was starting to break through into the mainstream, with reoccuring TV roles and smaller movie roles. JR has confirmed, she went to Vince and asked if she could stop wrestling and just use her "Chyna" name in hollywood. VKM said no, and then she fell into a really bad crowd of people. I will never understand VKM's horrid stubbornness in this instance. Why not just act as her agent, take 15% off the top, have her do media appearances plugging the WWE and any projects she was on. JR said this option made the most sense on his podcast. They were really that upset with her, because she did not want to stay in a situation where her ex is dating the bosses daughter?
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Post by J. Hova on Feb 25, 2024 20:18:25 GMT -5
Count me in on the HBK's back not being that bad for four years. I just rewatched that RR a week or so ago and watched that spot. I'm not trying to make it sound completely insignificant, but I'm pretty sure I've taken harder bumps on icy driveways. It is also awfully convenient that he magically got his shit together and was able to come back and work a full time schedule some 18 months after the competition closed. He was also getting paid while at home but that was probably coming to an end sooner rather than later.
When you take the totality of that, it sure makes it sound like he was just pilled out of his mind.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Feb 25, 2024 20:26:36 GMT -5
I wouldn't be shocked if there was someone in WBD that enjoys f***ing with AEW given all of the audio/tech issues that seems to only impact their programming.
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Post by chrom on Feb 25, 2024 20:36:01 GMT -5
Who knows what part Stephanie played in the Triple H Chyna split? Quite honestly it is no ones business but the three of them. Maybe Steph seduced H away from Chyna. Maybe Chyna and H were already on the rocks. Maybe H and Steph went behind Chynas back or maybe nothing happened until H and Chyna were over. No ones business really. What I will fully agree with is that the breakup had nothing to do with Chyna being on the outs with WWE. If Vince thought he could make money with her then he would tell H and Steph to suck it up and deal with it. Her ego was out of control, and most likely her drug use. She drove herself out of wrestling. I blame VKM for most of that situation. Relationships can be messy and people drift apart. Chyna was put in a zero win situation. Chyna was starting to break through into the mainstream, with reoccuring TV roles and smaller movie roles. JR has confirmed, she went to Vince and asked if she could stop wrestling and just use her "Chyna" name in hollywood. VKM said no, and then she fell into a really bad crowd of people. I will never understand VKM's horrid stubbornness in this instance. Why not just act as her agent, take 15% off the top, have her do media appearances plugging the WWE and any projects she was on. JR said this option made the most sense on his podcast. They were really that upset with her, because she did not want to stay in a situation where her ex is dating the bosses daughter? Because Vince has to have complete control. If Chyna did actually become a big star and using the name, than it's a sign to him and a blow to his ego that she's become a success and didn't need him or the WWF after all, especially in the market that he was desperate to break into so he could be seen as legit. That's why you get nobody is bigger than the company
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Feb 25, 2024 20:39:11 GMT -5
I don't think Benoit and his family were murdered by anyone but himself but I do think WWE might have been involved with getting the case to be resolved as quick as possible. Like paying the cops to have it be like "yep, that happened, case closed". There was like maybe a month at the time as a kid where I bought into the Kevin Sullivan thing and don't believe that at all now but I do occasionally wonder about all of it with the wikipedia edits.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Feb 25, 2024 20:44:04 GMT -5
Count me in on the HBK's back not being that bad for four years. I just rewatched that RR a week or so ago and watched that spot. I'm not trying to make it sound completely insignificant, but I'm pretty sure I've taken harder bumps on icy driveways. It is also awfully convenient that he magically got his shit together and was able to come back and work a full time schedule some 18 months after the competition closed. He was also getting paid while at home but that was probably coming to an end sooner rather than later. When you take the totality of that, it sure makes it sound like he was just pilled out of his mind. His “injury” was 100% a pill addiction and his back injury was kayfabe. I’m sure it bothered him but it never kept him from working.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 25, 2024 21:04:50 GMT -5
Russo didn't send Mike Johnson an email of commentary notes meant for Mike Tenay, thereby confirming he was secretly on TNA's payroll, by accident. I think he wanted the info out there, wanted 'credit' for his work, and maybe wanted to thumb his nose at the network's explicit "don't hire Vince Russo" directive. But it was intentional Yeah, I fully believe this too.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Feb 25, 2024 21:27:53 GMT -5
Russo didn't send Mike Johnson an email of commentary notes meant for Mike Tenay, thereby confirming he was secretly on TNA's payroll, by accident. I think he wanted the info out there, wanted 'credit' for his work, and maybe wanted to thumb his nose at the network's explicit "don't hire Vince Russo" directive. But it was intentional Yeah, I fully believe this too. Didn't this end up with Russo being fired and more or less got TNA cancelled from Spike?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 25, 2024 21:30:14 GMT -5
Yeah, I fully believe this too. Didn't this end up with Russo being fired and more or less got TNA cancelled from Spike? Yep, and a Spike TV executive to basically call Vince a piece of dog shit on his shoe.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Feb 25, 2024 21:38:41 GMT -5
Count me in on the HBK's back not being that bad for four years. I just rewatched that RR a week or so ago and watched that spot. I'm not trying to make it sound completely insignificant, but I'm pretty sure I've taken harder bumps on icy driveways. It is also awfully convenient that he magically got his shit together and was able to come back and work a full time schedule some 18 months after the competition closed. He was also getting paid while at home but that was probably coming to an end sooner rather than later. When you take the totality of that, it sure makes it sound like he was just pilled out of his mind. His “injury” was 100% a pill addiction and his back injury was kayfabe. I’m sure it bothered him but it never kept him from working. Back injuries suck and can leave you completely immobile, but the average time for NFL/NHLers to recover from an herniated disk is 3-5 months. The fact he came back, wrestled for a decade, shows this to probably be true. If he had depression and addiction issues, he is free to take all the time he needs, it just seems weird that WWE points to that as being the only reason he did not come back sooner. I also think he was massively overselling his back in the WM 14 match vs Austin. I've had a Cortisone shot when playing NCAA football. You really don't feel too much pain when you take something like that. You may not be able to move the next day from aggravating the muscle around the injury, but its a pretty effective pain killer
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Post by fw91 on Feb 25, 2024 23:10:13 GMT -5
Count me in on the HBK's back not being that bad for four years. I just rewatched that RR a week or so ago and watched that spot. I'm not trying to make it sound completely insignificant, but I'm pretty sure I've taken harder bumps on icy driveways. It is also awfully convenient that he magically got his shit together and was able to come back and work a full time schedule some 18 months after the competition closed. He was also getting paid while at home but that was probably coming to an end sooner rather than later. When you take the totality of that, it sure makes it sound like he was just pilled out of his mind. His “injury” was 100% a pill addiction and his back injury was kayfabe. I’m sure it bothered him but it never kept him from working. I think he legit injured it. Nothing career ending but it was a legit injury. Yeah the pill addiction is what kept him retired for 4 years, but I think he did have a significant injury that would have kept him out for months if he was sober. Remember, he didn't work No Way Out and was infamously replaced with Savio Vega.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 25, 2024 23:14:17 GMT -5
His “injury” was 100% a pill addiction and his back injury was kayfabe. I’m sure it bothered him but it never kept him from working. I think he legit injured it. Nothing career ending but it was a legit injury. Yeah the pill addiction is what kept him retired for 4 years, but I think he did have a significant injury that would have kept him out for months if he was sober. Remember, he didn't work No Way Out and was infamously replaced with Savio Vega. He absolutely injured his back. But he was supposed to be back a few times before his big return. Like his stint as Commissioner I think was meant to be longer, also when he turned heel on the rock on the first Smackdown. But he was still too messed up on drugs to be reliable... and one of those two times they found him passed out backstage.
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Post by Mozenrath on Feb 25, 2024 23:14:20 GMT -5
His “injury” was 100% a pill addiction and his back injury was kayfabe. I’m sure it bothered him but it never kept him from working. I think he legit injured it. Nothing career ending but it was a legit injury. Yeah the pill addiction is what kept him retired for 4 years, but I think he did have a significant injury that would have kept him out for months if he was sober. Remember, he didn't work No Way Out and was infamously replaced with Savio Vega. Yeah, basically where I am on it, that he got hurt, but it was also an excuse to save face when he stayed gone post 1998's 'Mania. Like, keep in mind, they intended to bring him back multiple times before he'd f*** it up, like the infamous Doink story, but I do think he was also injured by the casket spot.
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