Cranjis McBasketball
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 1, 2024 15:10:38 GMT -5
Who knows what part Stephanie played in the Triple H Chyna split? Quite honestly it is no ones business but the three of them. Maybe Steph seduced H away from Chyna. Maybe Chyna and H were already on the rocks. Maybe H and Steph went behind Chynas back or maybe nothing happened until H and Chyna were over. No ones business really. What I will fully agree with is that the breakup had nothing to do with Chyna being on the outs with WWE. If Vince thought he could make money with her then he would tell H and Steph to suck it up and deal with it. Her ego was out of control, and most likely her drug use. She drove herself out of wrestling. Was Chyna's drug use going on when she was still with Hunter? Hunter was sort of anti-drug (maybe besides the gas) wasn't he? If Chyna were doing the hard partying then, I would think that would definitely cause a rift in their relationship. I always thought the wild Chyna didn't start until after she left WWE. I dunno about anti drug. His main selling point with the Kliq was he didn’t drink or drug, so they had a DD.
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Mar 1, 2024 15:28:49 GMT -5
I wouldn’t go as far as unionization but Hall/Nash advocated for more money/rights for the talent and were disillusioned when Bret wouldn’t back them. Like everyone, they were busting their ass - with the added stress of traveling with Shawn, seeing how messed up he was getting, and wanting a way for him to get help without it being seen as a punishment. Hogan had left in 93, they’d gone through the steroid trial, had been in the main event for years and business was down - Vince would have to give in if they could get the locker room leader/champion on board. Whether out of loyalty or his spot or disliking Shawn (or all three) Bret didn’t go for it. Hall decided to leave and Nash, by his own account, followed when Bret tried to tank the cage match finish at IYH.
I think it’s why Hall kept insisting as recently as DSOTR that the Screw-job was a work; he couldn’t believe Bret would get so upset over losing a fake title when he didn’t get as upset over the concerns they’d brought to him. Vince knew Hogan/Turner would prevent anything if they tried (not that they would at that point) and would get enough cash to keep them satisfied. They would’ve … if Thunder weren’t greenlit. Now everyone was working twice as much for the same money and it removed the big perk they had gone to WCW for - days off. Ironically, one of the reasons used to justify Thunder was new signing Bret Hart.
The ‘conspiracy’ is this whole saga is why Hall went off the deep end in 98. While Scott always struggled with PTSD from the bar incident, wrestling was a love and escape. One that he had worked hard for, succeeded in and kept his head on straight for. Going to WCW for a huge payday and lesser schedule was his big break. He miscalculated; by taking the money he subjected himself to the corporate whim of “more, more, more!”. Not only was Thunder now on schedule but Nitro got extended to three hours AND more house shows were added. It wasn’t enough for the suits to have the hottest show on cable; they had to milk it to the bone.
Locked into his contract he got depressed and turned to alcohol/drugs. More dates = more bumps = more time on the road away from family = more time to f*** up = divorce = more drugs/alcohol. It was self-reinforcing , especially when your peers are dying in droves. Just to be clear this does not excuse his abhorrent behavior - the groping arrest of an elderly lady, the DUI’s, etc. But it explains why one would be nihilistic about not just the business but life itself. You try to do advocate for some little change in your sphere, it goes nowhere, you suck it up and take the money elsewhere to play ball and be comfortable and still get screwed over?
I also think this is partly what the Bret/Nash feud would’ve centered around in 99, but then Owen died so the idea was canned since Bret needed time off.
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Post by tagteammatchplaya on Mar 1, 2024 16:34:48 GMT -5
Tino Sabbatelli was spying on AEW for WWE. The funniest part about all that was when WWE resigned him after it, only to fire him again months later They should have gave him a James Bond gimmick in NXT 2.0, sure it would have been in bad taste, but man it would have been hilarious
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 1, 2024 16:57:14 GMT -5
Who knows what part Stephanie played in the Triple H Chyna split? Quite honestly it is no ones business but the three of them. Maybe Steph seduced H away from Chyna. Maybe Chyna and H were already on the rocks. Maybe H and Steph went behind Chynas back or maybe nothing happened until H and Chyna were over. No ones business really. What I will fully agree with is that the breakup had nothing to do with Chyna being on the outs with WWE. If Vince thought he could make money with her then he would tell H and Steph to suck it up and deal with it. Her ego was out of control, and most likely her drug use. She drove herself out of wrestling. Was Chyna's drug use going on when she was still with Hunter? Hunter was sort of anti-drug (maybe besides the gas) wasn't he? If Chyna were doing the hard partying then, I would think that would definitely cause a rift in their relationship. I always thought the wild Chyna didn't start until after she left WWE. HHH didn't drink or do drugs, that's kinda why he was friends with Michaels, Hall and Nash, they could party all they wanted and had a designated driver.
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King Devitt
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Post by King Devitt on Mar 2, 2024 3:00:23 GMT -5
I fully believe that rumor that Quack was insecure about all the good looking men in Chikara which is why 80% of them wore masks. It is a crime that some of them were wearing masks.
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Post by Gunhaver on Mar 2, 2024 3:17:41 GMT -5
I fully believe that rumor that Quack was insecure about all the good looking men in Chikara which is why 80% of them wore masks. It is a crime that some of them were wearing masks. The more I learn about this Quackenbush guy the less I want to check out Chikara.
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Post by Andee9001 on Mar 2, 2024 9:15:18 GMT -5
I'm of the belief that CM Punk thought he was going to come in and take over AEW and that whole scrum rant was him trying to assert himself publicly. We know he had a personnel role and a performer role, it's been said he had leaked stuff out too and The Elites contracts were all coming up as well. He had Tonys ear and was able to change creative plans and was responsible for removing the ranking system. I believe he was trying to take things over and it failed.
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King Devitt
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Post by King Devitt on Mar 2, 2024 9:21:17 GMT -5
I'm positive that Def Rebel sold their soul to the devil in exchange for being able to make Rhea Ripley's new theme.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Mar 2, 2024 9:26:34 GMT -5
I'm positive that Def Rebel sold their soul to the devil in exchange for being able to make Rhea Ripley's new theme. Probably the fact they basically just told Motionless in White to do it helps
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Post by nickcave on Mar 2, 2024 10:31:12 GMT -5
I'm of the belief that CM Punk thought he was going to come in and take over AEW and that whole scrum rant was him trying to assert himself publicly. We know he had a personnel role and a performer role, it's been said he had leaked stuff out too and The Elites contracts were all coming up as well. He had Tonys ear and was able to change creative plans and was responsible for removing the ranking system. I believe he was trying to take things over and it failed. I mean this seems very plausible, I think Punk saw a vacuum with Cody gone and wanted to be the Triple H of AEW in that he could secure AEW as his retirement nest egg considering he's really only able to wrestle like two matches before getting injured anymore.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 2, 2024 11:21:17 GMT -5
Punk was right about people leaking info about him and Colt to dirtsheets, but it was Jericho not the Bucks who was talking to them Also the call was coming from inside the house... as Meltzer mentioned that he had never gotten any information from the Young Bucks... but he HAD gotten information from CM Punk. How Meltzer reported was pretty much "there is a feeling among talent". it wasnt even reported as a fact CM Punk just used it as a convenient excuse to try and make a coup against the guys that did all he claimed he would do and never did. Just an insecure narcissist.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 2, 2024 12:39:19 GMT -5
Is it a conspiracy theory to say that I think Triple H and Chyna were drifting apart, anyway, and that Stephanie wasn't specifically at fault for their split? I am not saying she was a complete non-factor, but the picture painted from a lot of different camps that Chyna increasingly saw herself as a star (not entirely unreasonably), and that Triple H was trying to facilitate that rising star, something that kept happening even after Stephanie was in the picture, with 2000 probably being Chyna's strongest year. Chyna's disinterest with working with the women and her wanting to leave wrestling behind her for a bigger stage probably caused her difficulties in WWE more than Triple H or Steph did at the end. Like, I do not remember when this was, but I do remember Triple H giving a sort of diplomatic account of what happened with Chyna and Sable, without saying it was them, in saying that people sometimes get mainstream success outside of WWE and dismiss the fact that their WWE connection is part of why those parties were interested in working with them in the first place, that they wanted to benefit from the cross promotion, which is certainly what happened with Playboy. Once they left WWE, the calls would dry up because they weren't on TV anymore and those parties had less to gain from hiring them. There's obviously plenty of counterarguments to this, and that WWE has also leeched off of people like Rock and Cena as long as they could manage at times, or WWE undermining efforts of guys to get over away from them by not bothering to promote other projects, but I do think that yeah, casting Triple H in the villain of Chyna's downward spiral has always felt a little too convenient, and not really supported by the actual timeline of her rise and all. Who knows what part Stephanie played in the Triple H Chyna split? Quite honestly it is no ones business but the three of them. Maybe Steph seduced H away from Chyna. Maybe Chyna and H were already on the rocks. Maybe H and Steph went behind Chynas back or maybe nothing happened until H and Chyna were over. No ones business really. What I will fully agree with is that the breakup had nothing to do with Chyna being on the outs with WWE. If Vince thought he could make money with her then he would tell H and Steph to suck it up and deal with it. Her ego was out of control, and most likely her drug use. She drove herself out of wrestling. I think I remember reading somewhere that Triple H and Chyna had broken up by late 1999 and Stephanie didn't factor into why it happened at all.
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King Devitt
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Post by King Devitt on Mar 2, 2024 23:08:14 GMT -5
I'm positive that Def Rebel sold their soul to the devil in exchange for being able to make Rhea Ripley's new theme. Probably the fact they basically just told Motionless in White to do it helps Maybe they should just keep doing that then!
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Mar 3, 2024 1:30:46 GMT -5
I'm positive that Def Rebel sold their soul to the devil in exchange for being able to make Rhea Ripley's new theme. Probably the fact they basically just told Motionless in White to do it helps But then how were they able to make Roman's, Seth's, and Asuka's themes? Seriously, how the f*** did they give us those themes, but also give us DIY's theme or any of the "Who the f*** is this" themes?
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