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Post by daaave on Feb 25, 2024 3:18:15 GMT -5
Kingston/Danielson is my favourite feud going at moment. It's been relatively simple on screen stuff but laced with lots of hidden depth
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 25, 2024 7:44:32 GMT -5
Had a weird revelation that BCC are, in terms of alignment, sort of like late '10s Los Ingobernables de Japon, in a weird way. These morally gray dudes who are face or heel depending on who they're up against not because they soften or harden, but because they're consistently doing their thing and it's just about who they're facing. LIJ came off more heelish whenever they were dealing with Taguchi Japan for the trios titles or whenever they were in CHAOS's orbit. But then when they were fighting Suzuki-Gun, they didn't roll over, and would bring some real gang warfare shit to any confrontation. It's a very specific kidn of energy, and one I think only BCC really brings in AEW, but it's a neat flow to see that New Japan influence in play.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Feb 25, 2024 9:35:51 GMT -5
IDK I feel like BCC are some of my more preferred takes I've seen of tweeners. they're dicks that wanna hurt people, but they also want the best competition and from that have a sense of honor/respect so if you kick their asses enough when they're after you they'll back off. But they're also little shitheads. My very scientific chart on where the BCC boys are atm on the BCC Alignment Spectrum™ based on my vibes This is mostly accurate, but I feel like Mox's alignment should probably just be "BLOOD" in uppercase red letters.
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Post by dbsot on Feb 25, 2024 10:02:34 GMT -5
I bet he was kicking himself after the show. *Ba dum ching*
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 25, 2024 10:31:13 GMT -5
They all have talent, but I get bored of tweeners faster. I’d be more into them if they were just flat out heels. None of the group has Suzuki’s theatrical style, I prefer his sadisticness because he’s a little more campy than Mox and Yuta’s hyper seriousness.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Feb 25, 2024 12:36:43 GMT -5
I still don’t understand why Bryan is a heel in AEW, especially when they’re desperately hurting at the moment for true babyfaces, but whatever. The latter’s true. The former is another example of talent doing what they want I’d reckon.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 25, 2024 12:49:41 GMT -5
Had a weird revelation that BCC are, in terms of alignment, sort of like late '10s Los Ingobernables de Japon, in a weird way. These morally gray dudes who are face or heel depending on who they're up against not because they soften or harden, but because they're consistently doing their thing and it's just about who they're facing. LIJ came off more heelish whenever they were dealing with Taguchi Japan for the trios titles or whenever they were in CHAOS's orbit. But then when they were fighting Suzuki-Gun, they didn't roll over, and would bring some real gang warfare shit to any confrontation. It's a very specific kidn of energy, and one I think only BCC really brings in AEW, but it's a neat flow to see that New Japan influence in play. I usually compare them to Suzuki-gun due to their love of fighting and violence, but the 10's LIJ comparison is probably the most apt for their actual alignment in the face-heel dynamic. Like I love that most of the time Bryan Danielson is a likeable, respectable competitor. But then he sees Eddie Kingston, and it just turns him into a complete dick because he has zero respect for him. That's such a fun character wrinkle. I fully believe that he respects the hell out of Jun Akiyama, and the handshake was genuine. But then Eddie was there and Bryan's pettiness towards him outweighed that respect. So Jun gets a dick kick just to piss off Eddie.
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Post by Soultastic on Feb 25, 2024 14:07:24 GMT -5
That bitch coward Akiyama slapped Bryan for flipping Eddie off, which Eddie always does. He earned that dick kick.
Moer like Crybabiyama.
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Post by lucas_lee on Feb 25, 2024 14:13:45 GMT -5
Bryan was trying to give hin a hug and forgot how to hug and kicked him in the balls.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Feb 25, 2024 15:51:08 GMT -5
I deleted my posts in the thread last night because I felt like I was being dogpiled (even though I wasn't even the only person in the thread expressing the sentiment) and didn't want to engage with it (and honestly I very nearly deleted my account, like basically just waffled on hitting the confirmation button) but what the hell, it's a discussion board, I'm going to say my piece.
I honestly like genuinely hate that this AEW run is what Bryan's ending his career on. Hate it. There've definitely been some highlights along the way, especially the Hangman feud, but at least to me I feel like sooooo much of his run has just been him continually choking in the spotlight, putting over people I have no desire at all to see him put over, facing random nobodies in alleged dream matches, and being tethered to this shitty go-nowhere GRR SRS stable he's in that feels like a complete waste of everyone in it to me.
Like sure, the act's over, people largely enjoy it, yeah, whatever. Not going to take that away from anyone but at least personally it just feels shitty seeing someone who I've loved watching for years and would like to see get at least one last big run in the spotlight in a capacity in which I actually enjoy watching him, though granted not really helped by how the last couple of years of his WWE run weren't a whole lot better between the endless choking against people like Zayn in his basically-a-manager period, the Fiend, and Roman, that awful Gulak run, the face-heel-face-heel-face-heel Roman / Rowan storyline that was total nonsense and the preceding tag title run that went nowhere, and how so much of that initial heel run before it found its footing with the Kofi feud was just him getting endless cheap heat and having terrible matches with Styles.
It's like, yeah, it's petty, it's stupid, but I'm not going to pretend that I don't see his current run and the years before it as just a total waste of the dude even if other people are enjoying it. The early days of BCC where it seemed like it was just going to be Bryan and Mox doing a run as a vicious heel tag team were pretty fun, but then Punk's injury completely ruined that and the group's pretty much never been anything but a waste of time to me ever since and while you can rationalize their writing with, "They're tweeners who pick fights!" they still feel like nothing they do has any real consistency to it, like all their feuds are just happening for the sake of happening, and like personally I find it impossible to invest in their storylines because I never know whether or not I'm supposed to like these guys or not or what the hell their moral compass is. I especially think Moxley in particular comes off a million times lamer as part of this group than he did before it, his act just feels so stupid and tryhard at this point.
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Post by bearned on Feb 25, 2024 17:38:34 GMT -5
The guy was told he’d never wrestle again, I’m fine with him doing whatever he wants with whomever he wants.
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Post by daaave on Feb 25, 2024 17:51:10 GMT -5
I'm feel complete opposite. This AEW run has cemented Danielson as the bell to bell GOAT for me. I missed his ROH run at the time and while I've seen plenty of it years later it's not quite the same as living through it live. And while his WWE run had moments, he had so much ROH hype and because of WWE house style he was never going to do those style of matches. So for me his WWE run was only ever 70% Danielson.
For him to have this run now, especially after he retired, is an absolute blessing. He's fused this brilliant mix of well known wrestling YES 'superstar' with the brutal, violent ROH bout machine.
I get there is an argument he could have done more higher up the card, and could have jobbed less even won some titles. But when you look at the matches he's had over past 3 years it is absolutely ridiculous.
Omega, Hangman x2, MJF, ZSJr x2, Okada x2, all the Kingston matches, Starks x2, all the C2 matches. Then you got the lesser matches, the random tv bangers. Hechichero, Rush, Garcia, Takeshita, Bandido, Dax etc.
I feel super lucky to have watched this run live week to week having missed his ROH run live.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 25, 2024 17:54:37 GMT -5
IDK I feel like BCC are some of my more preferred takes I've seen of tweeners. they're dicks that wanna hurt people, but they also want the best competition and from that have a sense of honor/respect so if you kick their asses enough when they're after you they'll back off. But they're also little shitheads. My very scientific chart on where the BCC boys are atm on the BCC Alignment Spectrum™ based on my vibes i like how even in a random graph yuta is in the corner on his own being a gremlin I love how no matter how much on the face or heel side the rest of the group is, Yuta is consistently a little shit goblin.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Feb 25, 2024 18:06:03 GMT -5
I deleted my posts in the thread last night because I felt like I was being dogpiled (even though I wasn't even the only person in the thread expressing the sentiment) and didn't want to engage with it (and honestly I very nearly deleted my account, like basically just waffled on hitting the confirmation button) but what the hell, it's a discussion board, I'm going to say my piece. I honestly like genuinely hate that this AEW run is what Bryan's ending his career on. Hate it. There've definitely been some highlights along the way, especially the Hangman feud, but at least to me I feel like sooooo much of his run has just been him continually choking in the spotlight, putting over people I have no desire at all to see him put over, facing random nobodies in alleged dream matches, and being tethered to this shitty go-nowhere GRR SRS stable he's in that feels like a complete waste of everyone in it to me. Like sure, the act's over, people largely enjoy it, yeah, whatever. Not going to take that away from anyone but at least personally it just feels shitty seeing someone who I've loved watching for years and would like to see get at least one last big run in the spotlight in a capacity in which I actually enjoy watching him, though granted not really helped by how the last couple of years of his WWE run weren't a whole lot better between the endless choking against people like Zayn in his basically-a-manager period, the Fiend, and Roman, that awful Gulak run, the face-heel-face-heel-face-heel Roman / Rowan storyline that was total nonsense and the preceding tag title run that went nowhere, and how so much of that initial heel run before it found its footing with the Kofi feud was just him getting endless cheap heat and having terrible matches with Styles. It's like, yeah, it's petty, it's stupid, but I'm not going to pretend that I don't see his current run and the years before it as just a total waste of the dude even if other people are enjoying it. The early days of BCC where it seemed like it was just going to be Bryan and Mox doing a run as a vicious heel tag team were pretty fun, but then Punk's injury completely ruined that and the group's pretty much never been anything but a waste of time to me ever since and while you can rationalize their writing with, "They're tweeners who pick fights!" they still feel like nothing they do has any real consistency to it, like all their feuds are just happening for the sake of happening, and like personally I find it impossible to invest in their storylines because I never know whether or not I'm supposed to like these guys or not or what the hell their moral compass is. I especially think Moxley in particular comes off a million times lamer as part of this group than he did before it, his act just feels so stupid and tryhard at this point. I genuinely apologize if I contributed to this because obviously you're allowed to feel how you want to, as are others about BCC, I only replied because you were replying to me and initiated the initial convo about how you disagreed so I gave my own peace on how I felt Obviously how you feel about BCC and how others do just differs greatly, along with Bryan's current run (I want the best wrestler in the world to have his pick of dream matches and I think so far it's been a win with many months to go), but I don't think anyone was trying to hurt you with their statements (I certainly wasn't) just BCC works for people, it doesn't mean it will or has for everyone though
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Feb 25, 2024 19:56:17 GMT -5
I deleted my posts in the thread last night because I felt like I was being dogpiled (even though I wasn't even the only person in the thread expressing the sentiment) and didn't want to engage with it (and honestly I very nearly deleted my account, like basically just waffled on hitting the confirmation button) but what the hell, it's a discussion board, I'm going to say my piece. I honestly like genuinely hate that this AEW run is what Bryan's ending his career on. Hate it. There've definitely been some highlights along the way, especially the Hangman feud, but at least to me I feel like sooooo much of his run has just been him continually choking in the spotlight, putting over people I have no desire at all to see him put over, facing random nobodies in alleged dream matches, and being tethered to this shitty go-nowhere GRR SRS stable he's in that feels like a complete waste of everyone in it to me. Like sure, the act's over, people largely enjoy it, yeah, whatever. Not going to take that away from anyone but at least personally it just feels shitty seeing someone who I've loved watching for years and would like to see get at least one last big run in the spotlight in a capacity in which I actually enjoy watching him, though granted not really helped by how the last couple of years of his WWE run weren't a whole lot better between the endless choking against people like Zayn in his basically-a-manager period, the Fiend, and Roman, that awful Gulak run, the face-heel-face-heel-face-heel Roman / Rowan storyline that was total nonsense and the preceding tag title run that went nowhere, and how so much of that initial heel run before it found its footing with the Kofi feud was just him getting endless cheap heat and having terrible matches with Styles. It's like, yeah, it's petty, it's stupid, but I'm not going to pretend that I don't see his current run and the years before it as just a total waste of the dude even if other people are enjoying it. The early days of BCC where it seemed like it was just going to be Bryan and Mox doing a run as a vicious heel tag team were pretty fun, but then Punk's injury completely ruined that and the group's pretty much never been anything but a waste of time to me ever since and while you can rationalize their writing with, "They're tweeners who pick fights!" they still feel like nothing they do has any real consistency to it, like all their feuds are just happening for the sake of happening, and like personally I find it impossible to invest in their storylines because I never know whether or not I'm supposed to like these guys or not or what the hell their moral compass is. I especially think Moxley in particular comes off a million times lamer as part of this group than he did before it, his act just feels so stupid and tryhard at this point. I'm sorry you felt like people piling on, my response itself was fairly dismissive but it wasn't meant to be. I get it, we all have our own likes and dislikes and if the group isn't hitting for you that's fine. I will say though that dismissing the group as a whole is fairly unjustified considering how over they are and how unaffected they are by their tweener status in terms of drawing power. If they don't satisfy what you like though, totally get it, it's just that so many others love them still, so I get why they stick with the presentation. Pretty much felt similar feelings when Nexus did their thing and I was the sole person wholly unimpressed by some jobbers being treated like world beaters. Feels a bit like you're the only sane person around when your feelings are so alien to so many others.
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Post by Kalmia on Feb 25, 2024 20:26:19 GMT -5
Everyone has their opinions and they're entitled to them, just don't be surprised if you're going against the grain. I think Danielson is easily top 3 wrestler in the world (if not no.1) but I can say in all honesty that I've never really cared if he wins a match or not. Even during the Yes Movement, I had no emotional investment in him. Danielson doing what he's doing now is more interesting to me than him being a champion. And yes, I realise I'm in the minority in everything I just said and that's fine. I never cared about Austin either so I have a history of not connecting with the fan favorites. I'll like who I like and let others enjoy what they want. The shows aren't booked for me (and you should all be very glad of that!)
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Post by defectiveepitaph on Feb 25, 2024 20:53:53 GMT -5
Everyone has their opinions and they're entitled to them, just don't be surprised if you're going against the grain. I think Danielson is easily top 3 wrestler in the world (if not no.1) but I can say in all honesty that I've never really cared if he wins a match or not. Even during the Yes Movement, I had no emotional investment in him. Danielson doing what he's doing now is more interesting to me than him being a champion. And yes, I realise I'm in the minority in everything I just said and that's fine. I never cared about Austin either so I have a history of not connecting with the fan favorites. I'll like who I like and let others enjoy what they want. The shows aren't booked for me (and you should all be very glad of that!) I feel pretty much the same way about Bryan tbh.
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Post by mystermystery on Feb 25, 2024 21:57:48 GMT -5
I know I don't look at things 'correctly,' but I do see them my own way, so I'll share this post to the conversation at hand:
A dude calling himself "The best technical wrestler in the world" and then seeking out legends from other countries known for their technical abilities feels more like a literal "title" reign to me, which is why I'm incredibly curious about his eventual third match with Zack Sabre Jr "on neutral ground" after Danielson ceded his 'title' to Sabre following their last match. It may not have a belt with it, but it's been built up to the point that I would pay for the PPV where they break their tie to declare the superior technical wrestler.
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Post by Some Guy on Feb 26, 2024 3:32:33 GMT -5
I deleted my posts in the thread last night because I felt like I was being dogpiled (even though I wasn't even the only person in the thread expressing the sentiment) and didn't want to engage with it (and honestly I very nearly deleted my account, like basically just waffled on hitting the confirmation button) but what the hell, it's a discussion board, I'm going to say my piece. I honestly like genuinely hate that this AEW run is what Bryan's ending his career on. Hate it. There've definitely been some highlights along the way, especially the Hangman feud, but at least to me I feel like sooooo much of his run has just been him continually choking in the spotlight, putting over people I have no desire at all to see him put over, facing random nobodies in alleged dream matches, and being tethered to this shitty go-nowhere GRR SRS stable he's in that feels like a complete waste of everyone in it to me. Like sure, the act's over, people largely enjoy it, yeah, whatever. Not going to take that away from anyone but at least personally it just feels shitty seeing someone who I've loved watching for years and would like to see get at least one last big run in the spotlight in a capacity in which I actually enjoy watching him, though granted not really helped by how the last couple of years of his WWE run weren't a whole lot better between the endless choking against people like Zayn in his basically-a-manager period, the Fiend, and Roman, that awful Gulak run, the face-heel-face-heel-face-heel Roman / Rowan storyline that was total nonsense and the preceding tag title run that went nowhere, and how so much of that initial heel run before it found its footing with the Kofi feud was just him getting endless cheap heat and having terrible matches with Styles. It's like, yeah, it's petty, it's stupid, but I'm not going to pretend that I don't see his current run and the years before it as just a total waste of the dude even if other people are enjoying it. The early days of BCC where it seemed like it was just going to be Bryan and Mox doing a run as a vicious heel tag team were pretty fun, but then Punk's injury completely ruined that and the group's pretty much never been anything but a waste of time to me ever since and while you can rationalize their writing with, "They're tweeners who pick fights!" they still feel like nothing they do has any real consistency to it, like all their feuds are just happening for the sake of happening, and like personally I find it impossible to invest in their storylines because I never know whether or not I'm supposed to like these guys or not or what the hell their moral compass is. I especially think Moxley in particular comes off a million times lamer as part of this group than he did before it, his act just feels so stupid and tryhard at this point. I didn't see the pile on described or whatever, but I'm genuinely tired of people like Jun Akiyama/Yuji Nagata being called nobodies because it's completely wrong unless you live in a WWE only shell.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Feb 26, 2024 4:13:19 GMT -5
I deleted my posts in the thread last night because I felt like I was being dogpiled (even though I wasn't even the only person in the thread expressing the sentiment) and didn't want to engage with it (and honestly I very nearly deleted my account, like basically just waffled on hitting the confirmation button) but what the hell, it's a discussion board, I'm going to say my piece. I honestly like genuinely hate that this AEW run is what Bryan's ending his career on. Hate it. There've definitely been some highlights along the way, especially the Hangman feud, but at least to me I feel like sooooo much of his run has just been him continually choking in the spotlight, putting over people I have no desire at all to see him put over, facing random nobodies in alleged dream matches, and being tethered to this shitty go-nowhere GRR SRS stable he's in that feels like a complete waste of everyone in it to me. Like sure, the act's over, people largely enjoy it, yeah, whatever. Not going to take that away from anyone but at least personally it just feels shitty seeing someone who I've loved watching for years and would like to see get at least one last big run in the spotlight in a capacity in which I actually enjoy watching him, though granted not really helped by how the last couple of years of his WWE run weren't a whole lot better between the endless choking against people like Zayn in his basically-a-manager period, the Fiend, and Roman, that awful Gulak run, the face-heel-face-heel-face-heel Roman / Rowan storyline that was total nonsense and the preceding tag title run that went nowhere, and how so much of that initial heel run before it found its footing with the Kofi feud was just him getting endless cheap heat and having terrible matches with Styles. It's like, yeah, it's petty, it's stupid, but I'm not going to pretend that I don't see his current run and the years before it as just a total waste of the dude even if other people are enjoying it. The early days of BCC where it seemed like it was just going to be Bryan and Mox doing a run as a vicious heel tag team were pretty fun, but then Punk's injury completely ruined that and the group's pretty much never been anything but a waste of time to me ever since and while you can rationalize their writing with, "They're tweeners who pick fights!" they still feel like nothing they do has any real consistency to it, like all their feuds are just happening for the sake of happening, and like personally I find it impossible to invest in their storylines because I never know whether or not I'm supposed to like these guys or not or what the hell their moral compass is. I especially think Moxley in particular comes off a million times lamer as part of this group than he did before it, his act just feels so stupid and tryhard at this point. I didn't see the pile on described or whatever, but I'm genuinely tired of people like Jun Akiyama/Yuji Nagata being called nobodies because it's completely wrong unless you live in a WWE only shell. I agree. I’m not accusing Lizuka of this, but I’ve seen people mostly on Twitter calling them “nobodies” or “people no one cares about” and it feels very xenophobic and close minded. Like how people constantly classify “foreign” films as pretentious when really they’re just movies made in other countries with different cultures.
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