Zone Was Wrong
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Post by Zone Was Wrong on Mar 7, 2024 19:59:23 GMT -5
I'm just here for Mothman's post. I have no doubt of this, for what is an AEW fan but a rubbernecking sensationalist who only comes to something so they may watch it burn. Do you also stand by the road in anticipation of a car crash? Do you trawl the beaches looking for drowners, not to save them with any noble feat, but to watch them flail hopelessly and behold the water going still once more after it has fully consumed another life? Gawking at destruction seems to be all anyone wishes to do for so fetid a show as AEW Dynamite, the only entertainment that there is. Tony Khan cannot book anything but his own destruction and this flock of onlookers seeks only to revel in it. Very well, Sir Bad Doo Doo, you may have your entertainment on this eve, but know that on the morrow you must reckon again with a world where the destruction shall only entertain you until it is you who is on the road with a Tesla owner. Legit only reason to come by these threads
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 7, 2024 19:59:55 GMT -5
Like. I get it, dude’s a great wrestler and you want him to have a really good match in his debut but…guys. We…*looks left, looks right* …we know you CAN have a match that’s somewhat competitive AND makes it clear who the big dog is…right??? Just because you CAN go 50-50 with someone doesn’t mean you should and low key, im placing that blame on promoter and talent cuz you gotta know better. Wrestling involves giving but it also involves taking. You don’t got to eat dude up but for f***’s sake, control the pace! Impose your will! Let him give you a scare but otherwise, you got this in the bag. I promise you. Ask damn near every top star for an extended period. It really, truly, is ok to be selfish every now and then. He should have never been put against a champion. Throw a dark order goof in there, have him tap that ass decisively in 6-7 minutes, maybe have him talk some shit afterwards, and you off to the races WITHOUT giving away dude’s first ultra competitive match right at the start. No offense to Kyle Fletcher, I think the guy is really talented. But he’s not exactly been built up as this huge deal in AEW so far (also he was gone for awhile due to visa issues as well). He’s been portrayed as the weakest member of the Callis Family if anything. He certainly hasn’t been established as “main event the show” level. So if you want to establish Ospreay as this world class GOAT talent. Then having him have to struggle so much to beat Kyle doesn’t really do that.
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Post by Ludwig Kaiser’s Walk on Mar 7, 2024 20:15:40 GMT -5
Ospreay and Okada don’t really mean anything to the casual wrestling fan in the US. Kinda like Jay White didn’t when he came in either. You can hype up all of these great wrestlers (who are great) but if casuals don’t know who they are, they won’t tune in to watch them.
I wouldn’t be concerned for now, but I know I’m not tuning in to watch Ospreay go 50/50 with a guy who I had never heard of before the match was announced. That doesn’t bring casuals in, but if the ratings don’t start moving forward in a couple of months when these guys have a chance to be more established to the US audience, then I’d be concerned.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 7, 2024 20:19:57 GMT -5
Ospreay and Okada don’t really mean anything to the casual wrestling fan in the US. Kinda like Jay White didn’t when he came in either. You can hype up all of these great wrestlers (who are great) but if casuals don’t know who they are, they won’t tune in to watch them. I wouldn’t be concerned for now, but I know I’m not tuning in to watch Ospreay go 50/50 with a guy who I had never heard of before the match was announced. That doesn’t bring casuals in, but if the ratings don’t start moving forward in a couple of months when these guys have a chance to be more established to the US audience, then I’d be concerned. But it worked with Omega and Vikingo. It's pretty random. The audience didn't dip for Orange and Taven a couple of weeks back. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Mar 7, 2024 20:22:34 GMT -5
The first time they're really getting to feature Ospreay on TV, and they want him wrestling Kyle Fletcher?
Bruh.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 7, 2024 20:50:20 GMT -5
Ospreay and Okada don’t really mean anything to the casual wrestling fan in the US. Kinda like Jay White didn’t when he came in either. You can hype up all of these great wrestlers (who are great) but if casuals don’t know who they are, they won’t tune in to watch them. I wouldn’t be concerned for now, but I know I’m not tuning in to watch Ospreay go 50/50 with a guy who I had never heard of before the match was announced. That doesn’t bring casuals in, but if the ratings don’t start moving forward in a couple of months when these guys have a chance to be more established to the US audience, then I’d be concerned. But it worked with Omega and Vikingo. It's pretty random. The audience didn't dip for Orange and Taven a couple of weeks back. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Omega in a singles match is typically a draw no matter what. We don’t know that Ospreay has that drawing ability yet.
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Post by King Devitt on Mar 7, 2024 20:58:37 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure it chalks up to Ospreay wrestling his friend on TV, and wanting to make him look good, while also selling the grueling match he had at the PPV and the after effects.
That drop tho did make me say "whoa" out loud like I was Keanu Reeves.
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Post by asuka007 on Mar 7, 2024 21:26:57 GMT -5
Also they announce cards in advance of their PPV, and they move tickets and buys.
Why have they gotten into this habit of waiting until the last minute to really announce stuff for TV?
Promote your show!
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2024 21:31:08 GMT -5
Like. I get it, dude’s a great wrestler and you want him to have a really good match in his debut but…guys. We…*looks left, looks right* …we know you CAN have a match that’s somewhat competitive AND makes it clear who the big dog is…right??? Just because you CAN go 50-50 with someone doesn’t mean you should and low key, im placing that blame on promoter and talent cuz you gotta know better. Wrestling involves giving but it also involves taking. You don’t got to eat dude up but for f***’s sake, control the pace! Impose your will! Let him give you a scare but otherwise, you got this in the bag. I promise you. Ask damn near every top star for an extended period. It really, truly, is ok to be selfish every now and then. He should have never been put against a champion. Throw a dark order goof in there, have him tap that ass decisively in 6-7 minutes, maybe have him talk some shit afterwards, and you off to the races WITHOUT giving away dude’s first ultra competitive match right at the start. He was at like 30% due to a f***ed up back, they literally said this on commentary that he had to be medically cleared This was not from the onset a fully healthy Ospreay going up against Kyle or he likely would have had a quicker match But we're also gonna act like Fletcher did have competitive matches with Omega and Danielson in the past I guess to further this narrative that this made Will look bad for whatever reason optically. I don't exactly get why there's this sudden issue with competitive matches especially when the context has it make plenty of sense. I assume it's because the rating was a disappointment, which isn't on them at all, but it's annoying because you're essentially going "Don't try and put him in a squash match" when that just makes the show less watchable and less entertaining for more people. It makes zero sense to me. And he already had matches in AEW and just had the Takeshita match so this wasn't the first time the audience saw him ever.
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Post by FinalGwen on Mar 7, 2024 21:34:22 GMT -5
I'm very glad that the Swerve/Joe segment and Okada debut did well. And I know main events traditionally have a bit of a drop but as someone who tapped out the minute I realised that all that was left was a match with someone I'm actively disinterested in, can't help but nod and be like 'yep, that rating tracks'.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2024 21:35:43 GMT -5
There were literally zero complaints about Ospreay vs Fletcher for days on here or anywhere else, now the rating comes out and suddenly it's "Kyle Fletcher shouldn't have been his first opponent"
Ratings discourse is legit the worst f***ing thing man, it poisons the well of wrestling discussion to a point it feels absurd. Match was great, it had a storyline, it had context as to why it was competitive, and that doesn't matter because "Numbers" from f***ing Nielson boxes
AEW's in the best position it's been in, in quite literally months, and it feels like we can't focus on it because we're too focused on ratings numbers all the time and why Ospreay shouldn't wrestle a good main event match vs this talent specifically because it AFTER THE FACT did not draw which could have been for any number of reasons not indicative to the talent, but the talent will always be blamed
It's depressing man, when you just really wanna enjoy wrestling and what those two did last night, it's depressing as hell lol
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2024 21:36:41 GMT -5
The first time they're really getting to feature Ospreay on TV, and they want him wrestling Kyle Fletcher? Bruh. And the match was great. So... yeah, it was a good first choice for opponent and the crowd was electric for it the whole way through.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Mar 7, 2024 21:38:22 GMT -5
I've come to the conclusion that ratings are f***ing random these days and there's no use in reading the trends. Yet I click on this thread every damn time.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 7, 2024 21:38:30 GMT -5
Also they announce cards in advance of their PPV, and they move tickets and buys. Why have they gotten into this habit of waiting until the last minute to really announce stuff for TV? Promote your show! They usually do so for most shows. It was the PPV fallout show and those don't usually have as much announced in advance. The selling point is seeing what happens next.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2024 21:41:05 GMT -5
Also they announce cards in advance of their PPV, and they move tickets and buys. Why have they gotten into this habit of waiting until the last minute to really announce stuff for TV? Promote your show! They usually do so for most shows. It was the PPV fallout show and those don't usually have as much announced in advance. The selling point is seeing what happens next. And then they had the top contender and champion in the opening match as a surprise, so I'd say it worked. And yeah, fallout shows usually do not have a big slate announced Big Business has a world title match announced meanwhile.
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Post by schizo on Mar 7, 2024 21:44:04 GMT -5
I enjoyed all of Dynamite and especially that main event. Fantastic match. But the main event is usually reserved for the big stars and big storylines and while Ospreay/Fletcher was a awesome match, that’s all it was, a great match. To a lot of people that’s not enough to keep people tuned in.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Mar 7, 2024 21:44:06 GMT -5
The first time they're really getting to feature Ospreay on TV, and they want him wrestling Kyle Fletcher? Bruh. And the match was great. So... yeah, it was a good first choice for opponent and the crowd was electric for it the whole way through. But a lot fewer people watched than did at the start of the show. Ospreay is a guy they're depending on to be a headliner for years. Who mainstream audiences stateside may not have heard of. Why would you not match them against someone high profile? Make them seem like a big deal?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2024 21:45:41 GMT -5
I've come to the conclusion that ratings are f***ing random these days and there's no use in reading the trends. Yet I click on this thread every damn time. Because 42,000 some people with Nielson Boxes in their homes influencing these ratings are telling you if it's ok or not to enjoy a match, talent, or a product. Basically that's what these threads boil down to every week, number bad? It's the wrestlers or bookings fault immediately and they didn't do a good job here or there or the talent suck or aren't ready for that "spot", etc. And then next week the rating will be normal and no one will say anything.
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Post by jm on Mar 7, 2024 21:46:33 GMT -5
There were literally zero complaints about Ospreay vs Fletcher for days on here or anywhere else, now the rating comes out and suddenly it's "Kyle Fletcher shouldn't have been his first opponent" Ratings discourse is legit the worst f***ing thing man, it poisons the well of wrestling discussion to a point it feels absurd. Match was great, it had a storyline, it had context as to why it was competitive, and that doesn't matter because "Numbers" from f***ing Nielson boxes AEW's in the best position it's been in, in quite literally months, and it feels like we can't focus on it because we're too focused on ratings numbers all the time and why Ospreay shouldn't wrestle a good main event match vs this talent specifically because it AFTER THE FACT did not draw which could have been for any number of reasons not indicative to the talent, but the talent will always be blamed It's depressing man, when you just really wanna enjoy wrestling and what those two did last night, it's depressing as hell lol I wonder if people while watching wrestling actually do go, "You know, this match is incredible and this show is very entertaining. I'm gonna wait till the TV rating comes out tomorrow just to make sure if I enjoyed this show or not." I sometimes wonder if people actually watch wrestling like that.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2024 21:46:40 GMT -5
And the match was great. So... yeah, it was a good first choice for opponent and the crowd was electric for it the whole way through. But a lot fewer people watched than did at the start of the show. Ospreay is a guy they're depending on to be a headliner for years. Who mainstream audiences stateside may not have heard of. Why would you not match them against someone high profile? Make them seem like a big deal? The ratings are always like this And you save the higher profile matches for the bigger stages, like yknow, them teasing Danielson vs Ospreay immediately after the Fletcher match ended? You give him an opponent he can show out against, showcase, and then go over. This has worked with several AEW Young Lions in the past.
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