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Post by r. on Mar 7, 2024 22:53:36 GMT -5
So coming off a hot as hell, all timer of a PPV that drew over 16,000 in one of the biggest arenas of its type in the country that (apparently) drew $1 million+ at the gate…Sith nothing but glowing praise from everyone besides to most Deranged corners of Wrestling Internet….in a time where “we’re back!” has been bandied about over and over by long term fans who have ridden the highs and lows of this company for almost 5 years…AND adding, an internationally loved literal wrestling GOD….we’re back to what exactly? Debating “why don’t they book for the casual fan?!” (What the f*** is a casual ass fan in 2024 anyway? Jesus 🤦🏼♂️) Putting the company back on life support/ death watch?? The only good thing about these threads is Mothman’s post. Other than that they serve no purpose. They are my least favorite part of the FAN Cinematic Universe Experince (again, other than Mothman.) /rant I think the threads can help people accept this is the best AEW is going to do. Myself included I think there is a notion they will eventually step into some amazing surge. If they can't people to care with the incredible roster they have now, they never will and neither could any other company.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Mar 7, 2024 23:02:57 GMT -5
So coming off a hot as hell, all timer of a PPV that drew over 16,000 in one of the biggest arenas of its type in the country that (apparently) drew $1 million+ at the gate…Sith nothing but glowing praise from everyone besides to most Deranged corners of Wrestling Internet….in a time where “we’re back!” has been bandied about over and over by long term fans who have ridden the highs and lows of this company for almost 5 years…AND adding, an internationally loved literal wrestling GOD….we’re back to what exactly? Debating “why don’t they book for the casual fan?!” (What the f*** is a casual ass fan in 2024 anyway? Jesus 🤦🏼♂️) Putting the company back on life support/ death watch?? The only good thing about these threads is Mothman’s post. Other than that they serve no purpose. They are my least favorite part of the FAN Cinematic Universe Experince (again, other than Mothman.) /rant I started doing this around the Brawl Out as a stupid bit because ratings threads had a tendency to Go A Way, and it's crazy to me that a year and a half out it's still going almost weekly (give or take my health) because the shit just ain't stopping and they keep needing some sort of levity to them.
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Post by King Devitt on Mar 7, 2024 23:08:44 GMT -5
Raw on Netflix is gonna feel weird as f***, but the positive side of it is the "ratings discourse" will evaporate. I doubt even a new TV deal will fix the AEW issue. I've watched amazing Dynamite's get suuuuper low ratings, and shitty boring Dynamite's gets amazing ratings. There's no rhyme or reason to the pattern. Maybe we can just chuck it into that burgeoning "Time Warner is doing shit on purpose to f*** with AEW" thing I've been seeing a lot lately
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Post by DMO- on Mar 7, 2024 23:10:12 GMT -5
Didn’t family guy air its first Wednesday night episode in the 9:30 time slot this week? Could be why the dip in the last half hour. They did almost 1m viewers.
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Post by Cyno on Mar 7, 2024 23:12:24 GMT -5
So coming off a hot as hell, all timer of a PPV that drew over 16,000 in one of the biggest arenas of its type in the country that (apparently) drew $1 million+ at the gate…Sith nothing but glowing praise from everyone besides to most Deranged corners of Wrestling Internet….in a time where “we’re back!” has been bandied about over and over by long term fans who have ridden the highs and lows of this company for almost 5 years…AND adding, an internationally loved literal wrestling GOD….we’re back to what exactly? Debating “why don’t they book for the casual fan?!” (What the f*** is a casual ass fan in 2024 anyway? Jesus 🤦🏼♂️) Putting the company back on life support/ death watch?? The only good thing about these threads is Mothman’s post. Other than that they serve no purpose. They are my least favorite part of the FAN Cinematic Universe Experince (again, other than Mothman.) /rant I started doing this around the Brawl Out as a stupid bit because ratings threads had a tendency to Go A Way, and it's crazy to me that a year and a half out it's still going almost weekly (give or take my health) because the shit just ain't stopping and they keep needing some sort of levity to them. The discourse around these threads are even worse since Showbuzz stopped posting TV ratings reports because they're completely without context of what they were competing against. So it's not just obnoxious, but obnoxiously half-informed off incomplete data.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2024 23:18:28 GMT -5
So coming off a hot as hell, all timer of a PPV that drew over 16,000 in one of the biggest arenas of its type in the country that (apparently) drew $1 million+ at the gate…Sith nothing but glowing praise from everyone besides to most Deranged corners of Wrestling Internet….in a time where “we’re back!” has been bandied about over and over by long term fans who have ridden the highs and lows of this company for almost 5 years…AND adding, an internationally loved literal wrestling GOD….we’re back to what exactly? Debating “why don’t they book for the casual fan?!” (What the f*** is a casual ass fan in 2024 anyway? Jesus 🤦🏼♂️) Putting the company back on life support/ death watch?? The only good thing about these threads is Mothman’s post. Other than that they serve no purpose. They are my least favorite part of the FAN Cinematic Universe Experince (again, other than Mothman.) /rant I think the threads can help people accept this is the best AEW is going to do. Myself included I think there is a notion they will eventually step into some amazing surge. If they can't people to care with the incredible roster they have now, they never will and neither could any other company. Dude, this has been said to you many times by many people other than me but... seriously, this isn't healthy. It's never healthy to consistently think this way and make this your entire mindset about wrestling and especially one about a wrestling companies success or failure, constantly effecting your actual life like this. If anything you've just advocated further as to why these should end.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2024 23:20:45 GMT -5
I started doing this around the Brawl Out as a stupid bit because ratings threads had a tendency to Go A Way, and it's crazy to me that a year and a half out it's still going almost weekly (give or take my health) because the shit just ain't stopping and they keep needing some sort of levity to them. The discourse around these threads are even worse since Showbuzz stopped posting TV ratings reports because they're completely without context of what they were competing against. So it's not just obnoxious, but obnoxiously half-informed off incomplete data. Case in point, Family Guy aired at 9:30, their first new episode ever on a Wednesday and their season premiere which did over 1 million viewers and likely cut into AEW But with no context, it's way easier to shit on Kyle Fletcher and call the match booking bad.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Mar 7, 2024 23:38:57 GMT -5
f***ing ouch. Well, what can I say that hasn’t already been said in this thread. Great show. Lousy rating. You would think it should go up in the next few weeks off the heels of Okada and the upcoming Mone.
I agree with the advertise her suggestion.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 8, 2024 0:57:16 GMT -5
Yeah at this rate I don't know what they need to do beyond advertise like mad and hope for good luck.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Mar 8, 2024 2:27:36 GMT -5
I still believe if AEW truly wants to be successful, they have to do a better job of introducing guys like Osprey (who has been in the lowest viewed segments multiple weeks now), White and now Okada to the audience. I think they can all world champions, but they are all new to casual North American audiences.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 8, 2024 3:11:15 GMT -5
I still believe if AEW truly wants to be successful, they have to do a better job of introducing guys like Osprey (who has been in the lowest viewed segments multiple weeks now), White and now Okada to the audience. I think they can all world champions, but they are all new to casual North American audiences. Well Ospreay has been in AEW before this and done well, and Okada had the highest rated segment of the night outside of the lead-in which is usually always the highest It's not really indicative on Will, it's just how the ratings are, unpredictable and not reflective of how much people might not care about a wrestler tbh
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Post by Bo Rida on Mar 8, 2024 4:32:21 GMT -5
There were literally zero complaints about Ospreay vs Fletcher for days on here or anywhere else, now the rating comes out and suddenly it's "Kyle Fletcher shouldn't have been his first opponent" Ratings discourse is legit the worst f***ing thing man, it poisons the well of wrestling discussion to a point it feels absurd. Match was great, it had a storyline, it had context as to why it was competitive, and that doesn't matter because "Numbers" from f***ing Nielson boxes AEW's in the best position it's been in, in quite literally months, and it feels like we can't focus on it because we're too focused on ratings numbers all the time and why Ospreay shouldn't wrestle a good main event match vs this talent specifically because it AFTER THE FACT did not draw which could have been for any number of reasons not indicative to the talent, but the talent will always be blamed It's depressing man, when you just really wanna enjoy wrestling and what those two did last night, it's depressing as hell lol They're not mutually exclusive. I was looking forward to Ospreay vs Fletcher and enjoyed their match. That doesn't mean I think it was a good choice to get short-term ratings in the main event slot. But that type of short-term thinking is stupid anyway, long-term is what matters and Ospreay is a guy to build around (and Aussie open should be a big part of things too).
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Post by Kalmia on Mar 8, 2024 4:51:02 GMT -5
I can see how the next month is going to go. We're going to get people yelling about Ospreay being immediately thrown into singles main events while also complaining about Okada not immediately being thrown in singles main events.
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Post by thirteen3 on Mar 8, 2024 5:57:17 GMT -5
Dynamite is a slog of a TV show. The 20 minute "bangers" are broken up by commercials which throw off engagement from casual viewers and ruins the pace of the show. Even if your watching the Fite version, with the commentators clearly wanting to take a break but can't and wind up not selling anything, your only getting the funny parts of those on Botchamania.
I'd rather watch the highlights on youtube. What Am I missing? an armbar? a flip?
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Post by Dub H on Mar 8, 2024 6:24:58 GMT -5
I can see how the next month is going to go. We're going to get people yelling about Ospreay being immediately thrown into singles main events while also complaining about Okada not immediately being thrown in singles main events. we should be complaining about UK and ftr instead!
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Post by SneakMan on Mar 8, 2024 6:34:15 GMT -5
Dynamite is a slog of a TV show. The 20 minute "bangers" are broken up by commercials which throw off engagement from casual viewers and ruins the pace of the show. Even if your watching the Fite version, with the commentators clearly wanting to take a break but can't and wind up not selling anything, your only getting the funny parts of those on Botchamania. I'd rather watch the highlights on youtube. What Am I missing? an armbar? a flip? Lmfao I’m glad the “actually this wrestling show needs less wrestling” folks are starting to pop up, that’s when you know a thread is getting good
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Post by Mid-Carder on Mar 8, 2024 6:55:08 GMT -5
Dynamite is a slog of a TV show. The 20 minute "bangers" are broken up by commercials which throw off engagement from casual viewers and ruins the pace of the show. Even if your watching the Fite version, with the commentators clearly wanting to take a break but can't and wind up not selling anything, your only getting the funny parts of those on Botchamania. I'd rather watch the highlights on youtube. What Am I missing? an armbar? a flip? It sounds like it just isn't for you and that's fine. Don't force yourself to watch if you don't enjoy it. Wrestling is supposed to be fun
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Post by kingoftheindies on Mar 8, 2024 7:02:22 GMT -5
Even with an amazing ppv, and DYnamite itself being very good, traditionally AEW shows after PPVs tend to not be worth watching and while Ospreay vs Fletcher was amazing, it's not gonna draw in fans as the marquee match
But also ratings discussion isn't really worth the energy. WBD is happy with AEW, and Fox was disappointed with WWE a long time with 2 mil cause they were promised 4 mil
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 8, 2024 7:05:26 GMT -5
Dynamite is a slog of a TV show. The 20 minute "bangers" are broken up by commercials which throw off engagement from casual viewers and ruins the pace of the show. Even if your watching the Fite version, with the commentators clearly wanting to take a break but can't and wind up not selling anything, your only getting the funny parts of those on Botchamania. I'd rather watch the highlights on youtube. What Am I missing? an armbar? a flip? I'm not gonna be negative here because wrestling is a very, VERY "By the taste" kind of meal, and people are going to consume that meal differently, want different toppings, flavors, presentations, etc It sounds like AEW isn't enjoyable to you specifically in how they present it, I don't think it's fair to speak on the mythical casual viewer and what they're going to care to watch and how, but clearly you prefer wrestling presented to you in a different way. It's fair that you do, but I also don't think it speaks to the consensus, more your specific wants for wrestling, and maybe AEW isn't that.
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 8, 2024 8:21:01 GMT -5
I still believe if AEW truly wants to be successful, they have to do a better job of introducing guys like Osprey (who has been in the lowest viewed segments multiple weeks now), White and now Okada to the audience. I think they can all world champions, but they are all new to casual North American audiences. Well Ospreay has been in AEW before this and done well, and Okada had the highest rated segment of the night outside of the lead-in which is usually always the highest It's not really indicative on Will, it's just how the ratings are, unpredictable and not reflective of how much people might not care about a wrestler tbh There’s putting too much stock in the ratings for certain segments but then there’s the other end where people pretend it’s completely random. I think there’s a happy medium there and you can glean who is moving numbers and connecting with the TV audience through quarter hours and minute by minutes over time. It’s definitely something to track
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