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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2024 21:47:08 GMT -5
There were literally zero complaints about Ospreay vs Fletcher for days on here or anywhere else, now the rating comes out and suddenly it's "Kyle Fletcher shouldn't have been his first opponent" Ratings discourse is legit the worst f***ing thing man, it poisons the well of wrestling discussion to a point it feels absurd. Match was great, it had a storyline, it had context as to why it was competitive, and that doesn't matter because "Numbers" from f***ing Nielson boxes AEW's in the best position it's been in, in quite literally months, and it feels like we can't focus on it because we're too focused on ratings numbers all the time and why Ospreay shouldn't wrestle a good main event match vs this talent specifically because it AFTER THE FACT did not draw which could have been for any number of reasons not indicative to the talent, but the talent will always be blamed It's depressing man, when you just really wanna enjoy wrestling and what those two did last night, it's depressing as hell lol I wonder if people while watching wrestling actually do go, "You know, this match is incredible and this show is very entertaining. I'm gonna wait till the TV rating comes out tomorrow just to make sure if I enjoyed this show or not." I sometimes wonder if people actually watch wrestling like that. There are Twitter accounts who base their entire existence off that if that helps.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Mar 7, 2024 21:48:23 GMT -5
But a lot fewer people watched than did at the start of the show. Ospreay is a guy they're depending on to be a headliner for years. Who mainstream audiences stateside may not have heard of. Why would you not match them against someone high profile? Make them seem like a big deal? The ratings are always like this And you save the higher profile matches for the bigger stages, like yknow, them teasing Danielson vs Ospreay immediately after the Fletcher match ended? You give him an opponent he can show out against, showcase, and then go over. This has worked with several AEW Young Lions in the past. Why not have him just face Danielson in the first place? Probably would've drawn considerably higher ratings, been a better match, and when you've got to crow in a press release or sell Ospreay to WBD, you have something to point to. What did this match do for anyone? Hell, what about even like, Lance Archer, Brian Cage, etc? Kyle Fletcher, man? Really?
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Post by jm on Mar 7, 2024 21:48:39 GMT -5
I wonder if people while watching wrestling actually do go, "You know, this match is incredible and this show is very entertaining. I'm gonna wait till the TV rating comes out tomorrow just to make sure if I enjoyed this show or not." I sometimes wonder if people actually watch wrestling like that. There are Twitter accounts who base their entire existence off that if that helps. Hearing that doesn't help. If anything, it just makes me depressed and shake my head as to how low wrestling discourse has become.
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Post by jm on Mar 7, 2024 21:50:12 GMT -5
The ratings are always like this And you save the higher profile matches for the bigger stages, like yknow, them teasing Danielson vs Ospreay immediately after the Fletcher match ended? You give him an opponent he can show out against, showcase, and then go over. This has worked with several AEW Young Lions in the past. Why not have him just face Bryan in the first place? Probably would've drawn considerably higher ratings, been a better match, and when you've got to crow in a press release or sell Ospreay to WBD, you have something to point to. What did this match do for anyone? Danielson/Ospreay is not a match you throw on a random Dynamite the first show after a PPV. That is a PPV match in of itself.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2024 21:50:49 GMT -5
The ratings are always like this And you save the higher profile matches for the bigger stages, like yknow, them teasing Danielson vs Ospreay immediately after the Fletcher match ended? You give him an opponent he can show out against, showcase, and then go over. This has worked with several AEW Young Lions in the past. Why not have him just face Bryan in the first place? Probably would've drawn considerably higher ratings, been a better match, and when you've got to crow in a press release or sell Ospreay to WBD, you have something to point to. What did this match do for anyone? Because Ospreay vs Danielson is literally a PPV drawing match? You don't do that immediately on Free TV, you give Will a showcase match with someone he has history with, which they explain that history on the show itself. The match showcased Will, and moreover showcased Kyle who it helped considerably sell because before this he'd been the least known Callus Family Member, and then post match we set up an even bigger feud with Ospreay after he showed a crowd what he can do and what he can take The live crowd also seemed to be greatly enthused given they went nuts for the match in general, but I guess they aren't numbers on a ratings chart so they didn't matter in this breakdown?
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Mar 7, 2024 21:51:00 GMT -5
Why not have him just face Bryan in the first place? Probably would've drawn considerably higher ratings, been a better match, and when you've got to crow in a press release or sell Ospreay to WBD, you have something to point to. What did this match do for anyone? Danielson/Ospreay is not a match you throw on a random Dynamite the first show after a PPV. That is a PPV match in of itself. So they blew a main event trying to sell Ospreay as a big deal by beating Kyle Fletcher.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Mar 7, 2024 21:51:32 GMT -5
Why not have him just face Bryan in the first place? Probably would've drawn considerably higher ratings, been a better match, and when you've got to crow in a press release or sell Ospreay to WBD, you have something to point to. What did this match do for anyone? Because Ospreay vs Danielson is literally a PPV drawing match? You don't do that immediately on Free TV, you give Will a showcase match with someone he has history with, which they explain that history on the show itself. The match showcased Will, and moreover showcased Kyle who it helped considerably sell because before this he'd been the least known Callus Family Member, and then post match we set up an even bigger feud with Ospreay after he showed a crowd what he can do and what he can take The live crowd also seemed to be greatly enthused given they went nuts for the match in general, but I guess they aren't numbers on a ratings chart so they didn't matter in this breakdown? Live reactions don't draw money, so.... no.
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Post by jm on Mar 7, 2024 21:52:15 GMT -5
Can Variety please announce that WBD has given AEW a new TV contract so AEW's ratings and especially ratings threads can officially become pointless?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2024 21:52:45 GMT -5
Because Ospreay vs Danielson is literally a PPV drawing match? You don't do that immediately on Free TV, you give Will a showcase match with someone he has history with, which they explain that history on the show itself. The match showcased Will, and moreover showcased Kyle who it helped considerably sell because before this he'd been the least known Callus Family Member, and then post match we set up an even bigger feud with Ospreay after he showed a crowd what he can do and what he can take The live crowd also seemed to be greatly enthused given they went nuts for the match in general, but I guess they aren't numbers on a ratings chart so they didn't matter in this breakdown? Live reactions don't draw money, so.... no. Those people bought tickets to that show and spent money on the company and thereby might spend further money on the product and particularly Will Ospreay merch So... yes they do.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 7, 2024 21:53:59 GMT -5
The ratings are always like this And you save the higher profile matches for the bigger stages, like yknow, them teasing Danielson vs Ospreay immediately after the Fletcher match ended? You give him an opponent he can show out against, showcase, and then go over. This has worked with several AEW Young Lions in the past. Why not have him just face Danielson in the first place? Probably would've drawn considerably higher ratings, been a better match, and when you've got to crow in a press release or sell Ospreay to WBD, you have something to point to. What did this match do for anyone? Hell, what about even like, Lance Archer, Brian Cage, etc? Kyle Fletcher, man? Really? Cage and Archer would not have meant more than Fletcher who delivered a better match and had a story behind it. The most likely way to have gotten a different outcome for that quarter hour would have been a Danielson level opponent but why burn that now? For the potential of a strong quarter hour? Ratings do matter but this one show will not mean a significant change in their next TV deal or their general interest. You save a match like that for either a well built TV main event (like Cage/Copeland in two weeks) or more likely a PPV match that can draw tickets and PPV buys. It was a solid choice that didn't deliver ratings wise but that's fine and it happens. One of the most well built TV matches in AEW history was Punk/MJF and it wasn't even the peak of the show that night and was down significantly from the week before. Shit happens.
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Post by jm on Mar 7, 2024 21:54:04 GMT -5
Danielson/Ospreay is not a match you throw on a random Dynamite the first show after a PPV. That is a PPV match in of itself. So they blew a main event trying to sell Ospreay as a big deal by beating Kyle Fletcher. They presented Ospreay in a main event match in order to show off his talent. If you seriously wanted for TK to book Ospreay vs Danielson with no build less than a week after a PPV, I don't know what to tell you.
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Post by jm on Mar 7, 2024 21:55:07 GMT -5
Because Ospreay vs Danielson is literally a PPV drawing match? You don't do that immediately on Free TV, you give Will a showcase match with someone he has history with, which they explain that history on the show itself. The match showcased Will, and moreover showcased Kyle who it helped considerably sell because before this he'd been the least known Callus Family Member, and then post match we set up an even bigger feud with Ospreay after he showed a crowd what he can do and what he can take The live crowd also seemed to be greatly enthused given they went nuts for the match in general, but I guess they aren't numbers on a ratings chart so they didn't matter in this breakdown? Live reactions don't draw money, so.... no. So The Thunderdome should be used to present wrestling then? If live reactions don't matter, just have wrestling in The Thunderdome.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2024 21:56:37 GMT -5
Imagine this guy with this hair living in so many peoples heads rent free because of a ratings chart The Australian Twink, the ratings discourse master
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Mar 7, 2024 22:08:51 GMT -5
So coming off a hot as hell, all timer of a PPV that drew over 16,000 in one of the biggest arenas of its type in the country that (apparently) drew $1 million+ at the gate…Sith nothing but glowing praise from everyone besides to most Deranged corners of Wrestling Internet….in a time where “we’re back!” has been bandied about over and over by long term fans who have ridden the highs and lows of this company for almost 5 years…AND adding, an internationally loved literal wrestling GOD….we’re back to what exactly? Debating “why don’t they book for the casual fan?!” (What the f*** is a casual ass fan in 2024 anyway? Jesus 🤦🏼♂️) Putting the company back on life support/ death watch??
The only good thing about these threads is Mothman’s post. Other than that they serve no purpose.
They are my least favorite part of the FAN Cinematic Universe Experince (again, other than Mothman.)
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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Mar 7, 2024 22:10:25 GMT -5
The ratings are always like this And you save the higher profile matches for the bigger stages, like yknow, them teasing Danielson vs Ospreay immediately after the Fletcher match ended? You give him an opponent he can show out against, showcase, and then go over. This has worked with several AEW Young Lions in the past. Why not have him just face Danielson in the first place?Probably would've drawn considerably higher ratings, been a better match, and when you've got to crow in a press release or sell Ospreay to WBD, you have something to point to. What did this match do for anyone? Hell, what about even like, Lance Archer, Brian Cage, etc? Kyle Fletcher, man? Really? *squinting_notsureifserious.gif*
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Mar 7, 2024 22:10:30 GMT -5
So coming off a hot as hell, all timer of a PPV that drew over 16,000 in one of the biggest arenas of its type in the country that (apparently) drew $1 million+ at the gate…Sith nothing but glowing praise from everyone besides to most Deranged corners of Wrestling Internet….in a time where “we’re back!” has been bandied about over and over by long term fans who have ridden the highs and lows of this company for almost 5 years…AND adding, an internationally loved literal wrestling GOD….we’re back to what exactly? Debating “why don’t they book for the casual fan?!” (What the f*** is a casual ass fan in 2024 anyway? Jesus 🤦🏼♂️) Putting the company back on life support/ death watch?? The only good thing about these threads is Mothman’s post. Other than that they serve no purpose. They are my least favorite part of the FAN Cinematic Universe Experince (again, other than Mothman.) /rant People opening this thread:
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Post by King Devitt on Mar 7, 2024 22:16:05 GMT -5
I'm fascinated by the overlap of "you can't just keep giving away the great matches on TV because they start to lose their meaning" with "oh, also they should have done Danielson vs. Ospreay on Dynamite".
Like, I can be critical of the product, but I always try and articulate the thought process behind it, this....this is just weird to me.
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Post by bearned on Mar 7, 2024 22:21:19 GMT -5
Now they have Okada confirmed and Mercedes next week, it will be interesting to see how that lifts ratings and attendance figures.
I get why they put Ospreay in the main event spot but it’s interesting they didn’t hold off the Okada debut to the end and tease it through the show.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Mar 7, 2024 22:28:40 GMT -5
So coming off a hot as hell, all timer of a PPV that drew over 16,000 in one of the biggest arenas of its type in the country that (apparently) drew $1 million+ at the gate…Sith nothing but glowing praise from everyone besides to most Deranged corners of Wrestling Internet….in a time where “we’re back!” has been bandied about over and over by long term fans who have ridden the highs and lows of this company for almost 5 years…AND adding, an internationally loved literal wrestling GOD….we’re back to what exactly? Debating “why don’t they book for the casual fan?!” (What the f*** is a casual ass fan in 2024 anyway? Jesus 🤦🏼♂️) Putting the company back on life support/ death watch?? The only good thing about these threads is Mothman’s post. Other than that they serve no purpose. They are my least favorite part of the FAN Cinematic Universe Experince (again, other than Mothman.) /rant People opening this thread: This really is how it feels I need that new TV deal announced, so we can stop taking every drop, every potential low rating, every wrestler who may be a part of it that given week, as a detriment to the product When WWE got their new deals, their ratings threads became obsolete, I really need AEW to get a new bulletproof 5 plus year deal, so these go the same way. Warner is in love with them at a time they aren't in love with f***ing anything, I just need that love to translate into an official signing so we can stop worrying about whether or not Kyle Fletcher deserves to be here or have a decent length back and forth match with Will Ospreay without it "Damaging the aura of Will Ospreay", needing a bigger opponent, or a WORSE less competitive squash match with someone else... like we REALLY need it, because this is abysmal lol.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Mar 7, 2024 22:34:11 GMT -5
I get why they put Ospreay in the main event spot but it’s interesting they didn’t hold off the Okada debut to the end and tease it through the show. Seems they felt like it was better to put Okada in the spot where there are often more eyes, as opposed to hoping that the hints would keep people around for the last segment.
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