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Post by Facetious on Apr 2, 2024 10:49:33 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, Henry's had a rough time in the industry. He's mentioned quitting before so I imagine losing your job WHILE injured and unable to work because of said injury must be an absolute mind f***
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Post by KME on Apr 2, 2024 10:56:05 GMT -5
Yeah the Anthony Henry one isn't cool having read his comments. Really not the look you want and not in the spirit of the way AEW have generally treated their wrestlers. And just bizarre all round given the Workhorsemen were set to be in the tag title tournament.
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Post by EoE: Workin On My Night Cheese on Apr 2, 2024 10:57:52 GMT -5
I don’t expect it to happen, but I’d like to see WWE give Henry another shot. He was there briefly once before, so they saw something in him they liked before he got wiped out in the pandemic cuts. And they could always use more good-to-great workers in NXT, because a whole bunch of them (Hayes, Dragunov, maybe even Dijak, Axiom and Frazer) could cycle out to main roster sooner rather than later, and suddenly there’s not much TV-ready depth on the men’s side.
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Post by Celexa Bliss on Apr 2, 2024 10:59:02 GMT -5
I think the difference between these releases and WWE releases is that a lot of the deals are (presumably) PPA deals. So that could mean a number of things. Especially with the "this will be best for both the company and the talent" comment and the bit about Collision interfering with workers' other bookings. Up until last June, AEW employees were only under obligation to work for Tony on Wednesday nights. But once Collision started, they were under obligation twice a week. And since a lot of indies tend to run on weekends and Collision is Saturdays, it was interfering with a lot of their dates. If you look at the Iron Savages, the Workhorsemen, Lady Frost, and others, they were getting used almost every Collision, possibly to offset lost dates with other companies? And while some talent are working for ROH and not AEW, the move affected them, too. Because now their tapings are every Saturday, rather than once a month.
Also, let's look at who was cut. Gravity, The Boys, Parker, Henry, and Jora are all younger workers who could definitely use experience on the indies. So while it seems harsh to cut them, I don't view this as an awful thing. As we've seen, Tony is willing to bring people back or use people for one-offs, so I truly believe that if the timing is right and it makes sense, we'll see these guys again down the road. Jose, I believe, is an indy wrestler, too and with how little LFI have actually been used since the start of Collision, this may have been a mutual decision. Same with Stu, who was barely being utilized after they brought him back. And him refusing to cancel dinner plans to do a skit makes me believe there was some resentment/discontent.
Tony really needs a handler, to keep him in check when he makes public statements. Saying they'll never do anything is a dangerous comment because look at how that's been turned on him so quickly. Every company makes cuts, he should know better than anyone, with his involvement with the Jaguars and Fulham. But we also have to remember that we aren't privy to a lot of what goes on backstage. For all we know, people like Stu, Dasha and The Boys requested their releases. And the fact is, after they shelled out whatever they did for Ospreay, Okada and Mercedes, this was just a matter of a time.
Ultimately, I think it's going to be for the best. Yes, it sucks to see people lose their jobs, but every company has to downsize at some point. I think it will make both AEW and the business as a whole a lot stronger in the long run.
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Post by markymark on Apr 2, 2024 10:59:23 GMT -5
The Henry release would only make sense if his case was similar to the Bunny that he was dealing with other issues that want him to take a break from wrestling...
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 2, 2024 11:12:42 GMT -5
Sheesh, really want to see them do right by Henry; the Workhorsemen are awesome, don't do them dirty like that, especially when Henry's stepped up when given some singles matches on TV.
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Post by Celexa Bliss on Apr 2, 2024 11:12:47 GMT -5
Didn’t Anthony Henry get hurt outside of AEW? It’s gonna sound callous as f***, but he shouldn’t be AEW’s responsibility to look after. That’s the double edge sword of these looser contracts, if you go work Podunk Indiana and get hurt on a day off from AEW that shouldn’t be on them to pay your medical. You either get an agreement with the promotion you’re working that night to cover any medical or you accept that you’re taking on that risk yourself. Or, TK just bans people from working Indy’s on their off days. That would be the trade off Nope. His AEW contract allowed him to wrestle outside AEW. He was a contract talent. TK/AEW should pay for his surgery. Also imagine if Charlie Dempsey got hurt in Japan and WWE didn't pay for it. The key is how the contracts are worded. I would think that most companies have to contract a worker for whatever dates they appear. So it SHOULD be on the company he was injured working for to cover his costs. AEW allowing a worker to take other dates shouldn't make them responsible for injuries suffered at GCW or New Japan, for example. Also, wasn't wrestlers getting hurt working for other companies part of the reason TNA stopped letting them work other dates? |
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Post by The Captain on Apr 2, 2024 11:20:56 GMT -5
Nope. His AEW contract allowed him to wrestle outside AEW. He was a contract talent. TK/AEW should pay for his surgery. Also imagine if Charlie Dempsey got hurt in Japan and WWE didn't pay for it. The key is how the contracts are worded. I would think that most companies have to contract a worker for whatever dates they appear. So it SHOULD be on the company he was injured working for to cover his costs. AEW allowing a worker to take other dates shouldn't make them responsible for injuries suffered at GCW or New Japan, for example. Also, wasn't wrestlers getting hurt working for other companies part of the reason TNA stopped letting them work other dates? It probably depends a lot on what kind of contract Henry was on. If it was a PPA thing, then there's a lot less of a chance that AEW would cover any injuries he got outside AEW. Unfortunately, it's not like a lot of indies can afford to cover these sorts of things either. That's this country's health care system for you. |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Apr 2, 2024 11:23:13 GMT -5
Well folks will have a chance to ask Tony about this on Thursday:
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Post by Facetious on Apr 2, 2024 11:26:24 GMT -5
Well folks will have a chance to ask Tony about this on Thursday: Thurston seems like a good dude so I expect him to ask. TK answering is the only issue here. |
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Post by The Captain on Apr 2, 2024 11:47:44 GMT -5
I hope the wrestling media has more of a spine to ask about these releases with TK than they had when it came time to ask Triple H about the McMahon SA allegations post-Rumble.
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Post by Kalmia on Apr 2, 2024 11:57:26 GMT -5
If the wrestlers were on PPA deals, then for me, it depends on how the deals are worded. If the contracts guarantee 10 paid appearances but they haven't been filled, then cutting the contracts is basically the same as cutting a guaranteed contract. If they didn't have guaranteed dates then really, there's no difference between having a contract and not appearing and not having a contract and not appearing.
I'm not really a fan of any of the wrestlers being released but I am sad to see Dasha go. I prefer her to Justin Roberts.
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Post by Mr Mario Mario on Apr 2, 2024 11:58:53 GMT -5
As others have said
(A) This sucks for the wrestlers involved unless they requested it
(B) From a business POV I understand the decision but I’m still disappointed that AEW apparently isn’t honouring the full term of the contracts
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Post by KingPooper on Apr 2, 2024 12:38:46 GMT -5
Releases always suck, but curious about the report saying they’re considering what’s good for the wrestlers when picking names here. Not sure what that means, but guess we’ll see. The most baffling ones are Dasha and Henry. With Henry, I’m guessing he was on a per appearance deal, so I won’t be shocked if he’s back sooner than later once he’s healed up. But Dasha? She was good at her job, always came across great at live events with the fans, not sure what the reasoning is there. Also, kind of have a minor crush on her, so selfishly that sucks, as well. They also had some real great matches in CHIKARA... before Quack basically drove them out by forcing Stu into a mask. sounds like We need the return of 'Smooth Sailing' Ashley Remington >_> Oddly enough, he had a split second cameo on ROH a couple of weeks ago; Dalton told Johnny TV he was bringing in a “friend” to face him, and when Lexi tried to find out who it was (there was a dressing room door hastily marked as “Dalton’s Friend”), Dalton briefly stumbled out in a captain’s hat. The Boys being gone mid storyline is weird, too, but it wouldn’t be the first time Dalton did his act more on his own or with others in the Boy roles. I feel for The Boys the Tate Twins are extremely talented. I feel like Dalton's run so far was bringing him back to the status quo, now he's been there a while, without the boys they can give him a little more edge, but also being the goofy maniac we know and love. |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 2, 2024 13:07:59 GMT -5
Didn’t Anthony Henry get hurt outside of AEW? It’s gonna sound callous as f***, but he shouldn’t be AEW’s responsibility to look after. That’s the double edge sword of these looser contracts, if you go work Podunk Indiana and get hurt on a day off from AEW that shouldn’t be on them to pay your medical. You either get an agreement with the promotion you’re working that night to cover any medical or you accept that you’re taking on that risk yourself. Or, TK just bans people from working Indy’s on their off days. That would be the trade off Nope. His AEW contract allowed him to wrestle outside AEW. He was a contract talent. TK/AEW should pay for his surgery. Also imagine if Charlie Dempsey got hurt in Japan and WWE didn't pay for it. Then don't let them wrestle outside the company. People get all pissy about WWE not sharing talent, but this is exactly what they're trying to avoid. It should not be on AEW to pay for an injury you got while working a side hustle. If Shayna Baszler gets hurt at Bloodsport, that shouldn't be on WWE to pay for the medical. If you don't have insurance, you know that any work you take outside of your main company is your liability not the main company |
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Post by Celexa Bliss on Apr 2, 2024 13:24:43 GMT -5
Nope. His AEW contract allowed him to wrestle outside AEW. He was a contract talent. TK/AEW should pay for his surgery. Also imagine if Charlie Dempsey got hurt in Japan and WWE didn't pay for it. Then don't let them wrestle outside the company. People get all pissy about WWE not sharing talent, but this is exactly what they're trying to avoid. It should not be on AEW to pay for an injury you got while working a side hustle. If Shayna Baszler gets hurt at Bloodsport, that shouldn't be on WWE to pay for the medical. If you don't have insurance, you know that any work you take outside of your main company is your liability not the main company Again, I think it depends on the terms of the contract and if the company is loaning out the talent, or if it's all freelance work. For example, WWE loaned Punk to ROH back in like 2006 or 2007, when they had some no-shows. If Punk had gotten hurt, WWE would've had to cover the medical costs, due to them setting up the date. According to Cornette, once they released developmental talent, they weren't allowed to continue working in OVW during their 90-day no-compete clause, because if they got hurt, they'd have to pay them during their injury, due to being signed through WWE and not OVW. And IIRC, Foley mentioned a story in his first book about Harley Race insisting Foley busted his lip or forehead on the guardrail, rather than in the ring, because if it didn't happen in the ring itself, the state athletic commission would have to cover the hospital visit, but in the ring, it would've been WCW covering the cost. |
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Post by jean0987654321 on Apr 2, 2024 13:42:09 GMT -5
Unfortunately for them, these cuts needed to happen. There's just too many guys not being used and I've been critical about the same thing happening under Vince in WWE when it came to hoarding talent and not using them. Sucks to see Anthony Henry get cut while injured. THAT is not a good look and I hope the wrestling media probe that question to Tony on Thursday
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Post by jm on Apr 2, 2024 13:43:23 GMT -5
I hope the wrestling media has more of a spine to ask about these releases with TK than they had when it came time to ask Triple H about the McMahon SA allegations post-Rumble. The media will most definitely ask TK about these releases more than they asked HHH about the McMahon SA lawsuit. Not because the media has a spine, but because the media will circle the wagons to try to paint AEW as the worst wrestling company ever and WWE as heaven on earth. |
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Post by Chiral on Apr 2, 2024 13:44:32 GMT -5
Sneak peek at how TK will respond to the inevitable release question at the media event:
"As with any case when talents are releasing, or have been released it's a case where you have to consider the trends of contributions, and this year's gonna be great for AEW, terrific and we're coming off a terrific run of some of the best AEW shows and pay-per-views, and in cases like that with talent being let go, you do have to consider the run of really great shows, including All In at Wembley Stadium, and we're returning to Wembley for All in this summer as well, so we're really looking to just keep going with this really great and really terrific run of shows. And regarding the releases I foresee a really great, great year for AEW and Ring of Honor to come thank you for your question."
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Post by Celexa Bliss on Apr 2, 2024 13:57:23 GMT -5
I hope the wrestling media has more of a spine to ask about these releases with TK than they had when it came time to ask Triple H about the McMahon SA allegations post-Rumble. The media will most definitely ask TK about these releases more than they asked HHH about the McMahon SA lawsuit. Not because the media has a spine, but because the media will circle the wagons to try to paint AEW as the worst wrestling company ever and WWE as heaven on earth. I understand where you're coming from with this post, but I do not look forward to tribalism posts that will be coming, both after the press conference and even as soon as tomorrow in the Dynamite thread. It's gonna get ugly... |
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