MolotovMocktail
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Sept 4, 2024 18:23:31 GMT -5
So are they still going to try breaking up the New Day? Will they try another replacement or just dissatisfaction and dissent?
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Post by Main Eventer on Sept 4, 2024 18:57:25 GMT -5
Just continue the storyline but replace him with Omos, with only Xavier having a vague “waitaminute..” look on his face the whole time. Yeeeeeaaaah, probably not a good look to just change black guys out and act like nothing happened. That's why I suggest we replace Odyssey Jones with Axiom. |
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Sept 4, 2024 19:04:41 GMT -5
Well like the actual Odyssey this one was also disturbing and painful
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Post by sdoyle7798 on Sept 4, 2024 20:05:53 GMT -5
Yeeeeeaaaah, probably not a good look to just change black guys out and act like nothing happened. Well I was joking to begin with, but really isn’t that kind of what Kofi was doing with Big E and Odyssey in the first place? I know you were joking. My response was an attempt to continue the joke... ...it made sense to me at the time, anyway. |
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Post by government mule on Sept 5, 2024 0:22:43 GMT -5
Yeeeeeaaaah, probably not a good look to just change black guys out and act like nothing happened. That's why I suggest we replace Odyssey Jones with Axiom. Nah he's just a kid |
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Post by lildude8218 on Sept 5, 2024 0:45:41 GMT -5
Matt Striker: He's freed!
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4real
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Post by 4real on Sept 5, 2024 3:38:06 GMT -5
So are they still going to try breaking up the New Day? Will they try another replacement or just dissatisfaction and dissent? I’m thinking we’re getting close to New Day’s 10th anniversary so it will look like they will break up & Big E comes back to stop them or officially end the group. |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 5, 2024 7:47:28 GMT -5
Look, imma be real here. This whole “innocent until proven guilty” thing that gets thrown out any time someone is hit with an accusation is BS. I’m not a court of law of and neither is WWE. I don’t need to wait for a legal case to hit to determine if I personally think someone is “guilty.” And neither does WWE or any other employer. All the info we have right now is that WWE decided to fire the guy outright. That to me as a person tells me it just be pretty serious and is enough for me to believe he did something wrong. That seems a lot more likely to me than some minuscule scenario where Odyssey Jones has been falsely accused, because in the real world that’s not a thing that happens very often. I hear y'all, but Ima just civilly have to go against the mob consensus for now. I consider Vince and Odyssey both innocent until proven guilty. Calling the people on the other side of the debate a 'mob' doesn't make you seem as reasonable as you think it does I'm cranky so I'm throwing it out there. There tends to be a mob mentality for DV and SA because there is a comically low rate for these crimes to even lead to arrest, let alone a conviction. Osyss-see-ya has already shown himself to be a not great person, and WWE nuking him means there may be more than "just allegations". Unfortunately, even if those "more than just allegations" exist, the odds say there won't be criminal charges. Could you explain your last sentence there? I'm curious as to why evidence would not lead to criminal charges, and if he is not criminally charged, why he should have his career destroyed. I know sometimes these subjects get impassioned, but I'm asking from a place of legit curiosity here. I'm trying to understand both the situation and the possible outcomes. Do you know anybody who's actually been a victim of abuse? Because this reads extremely strongly like you do not, and as someone who has supported survivors professionally and personally, and also am a survivor myself? Almost none of this shit ever goes to court, and if you're using court conviction as the only boundary that you draw, then you're at best ill-informed on this kind of stuff. If you're expressing viewpoints like this in human space off the internet, by the way, you are very loudly announcing to the people you know that you are not a safe space for them to confide in you if something like this happens to them. |
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Post by Chris the Bambikiller on Sept 5, 2024 11:07:56 GMT -5
Do you know anybody who's actually been a victim of abuse? Because this reads extremely strongly like you do not, and as someone who has supported survivors professionally and personally, and also am a survivor myself? Almost none of this shit ever goes to court, and if you're using court conviction as the only boundary that you draw, then you're at best ill-informed on this kind of stuff. If you're expressing viewpoints like this in human space off the internet, by the way, you are very loudly announcing to the people you know that you are not a safe space for them to confide in you if something like this happens to them. Don't get me wrong, if Jones did do anything that's being implied here, yes, kick him out of WWE, make sure he doesn't work in the industry anymore, if possible put him in jail. And certainly this whole story must be examined thoroughly and that means taking all allegations and the persons who bring them forward seriously. But we shouldn't replace "innocent until proven guilty" with "guilty because someone said so" like it's in fashion in the social networks today, because that means "screw the legal system" and the next step is "we take the law into our own hands". |
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 5, 2024 11:09:34 GMT -5
Do you know anybody who's actually been a victim of abuse? Because this reads extremely strongly like you do not, and as someone who has supported survivors professionally and personally, and also am a survivor myself? Almost none of this shit ever goes to court, and if you're using court conviction as the only boundary that you draw, then you're at best ill-informed on this kind of stuff. If you're expressing viewpoints like this in human space off the internet, by the way, you are very loudly announcing to the people you know that you are not a safe space for them to confide in you if something like this happens to them. Don't get me wrong, if Jones did do anything that's being implied here, yes, kick him out of WWE, make sure he doesn't work in the industry anymore, if possible put him in jail. And certainly this whole story must be examined thoroughly and that means taking all allegations and the persons who bring them forward seriously. But we shouldn't replace "innocent until proven guilty" with "guilty because someone said so" like it's in fashion in the social networks today, because that means "screw the legal system" and the next step is "we take the law into our own hands". I'm not going to get into that stuff because it mostly isn't relevant to my reply to the other guy, and what is left would break the politics rule |
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Post by The Captain on Sept 5, 2024 12:30:59 GMT -5
Again WWE, even NXT under Triple H, hasn't exactly had the most morally upstanding track record. They have and will continue to defend or ignore the actions of problematic wrestlers to a point. Several of which have been pointed out in this thread. That this happened as quick as it did tells me two things:
1. WWE knows way more about the situation than any of us and acted on damning evidence. This isn't "Odyssey Jones got fired because of a low engagement Twitter account screaming into the void." Not for something this extreme and sudden.
2. Odyssey Jones is expendable and could be fired with little damage to long term plans.
Just wasn't worth it to keep him employed if they knew he did something really heinous.
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 5, 2024 12:37:57 GMT -5
Do you know anybody who's actually been a victim of abuse? Because this reads extremely strongly like you do not, and as someone who has supported survivors professionally and personally, and also am a survivor myself? Almost none of this shit ever goes to court, and if you're using court conviction as the only boundary that you draw, then you're at best ill-informed on this kind of stuff. If you're expressing viewpoints like this in human space off the internet, by the way, you are very loudly announcing to the people you know that you are not a safe space for them to confide in you if something like this happens to them. Don't get me wrong, if Jones did do anything that's being implied here, yes, kick him out of WWE, make sure he doesn't work in the industry anymore, if possible put him in jail. And certainly this whole story must be examined thoroughly and that means taking all allegations and the persons who bring them forward seriously. But we shouldn't replace "innocent until proven guilty" with "guilty because someone said so" like it's in fashion in the social networks today, because that means "screw the legal system" and the next step is "we take the law into our own hands". The “law” here would be a criminal conviction potentially resulting in jail time. No one has in any way taken the legal system in their own hands by condemning him on social media or even the company by firing him. No one is sending him to jail so in that sense he is still getting his innocence until proven guilty in the only way that phrase was intended to be used. |
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Nosnorb
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 5, 2024 12:46:47 GMT -5
So are they still going to try breaking up the New Day? Will they try another replacement or just dissatisfaction and dissent? I’m thinking we’re getting close to New Day’s 10th anniversary so it will look like they will break up & Big E comes back to stop them or officially end the group. Technically we have already passed the 10th anniversary, Woods, Big E and Kofi first got together on the July 24th episode of Raw when Woods confronted them after a tag team loss, and the next day Xavier managed them during their victory over Heath Slater and Titus O'Neill on Main Event. But November 3rd of that year was when the vignettes first started. |
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Post by mc74 on Sept 5, 2024 12:54:46 GMT -5
Again WWE, even NXT under Triple H, hasn't exactly had the most morally upstanding track record. They have and will continue to defend or ignore the actions of problematic wrestlers to a point. Several of which have been pointed out in this thread. That this happened as quick as it did tells me two things: 1. WWE knows way more about the situation than any of us and acted on damning evidence. This isn't "Odyssey Jones got fired because of a low engagement Twitter account screaming into the void." Not for something this extreme and sudden. 2. Odyssey Jones is expendable and could be fired with little damage to long term plans. Just wasn't worth it to keep him employed if they knew he did something really heinous. For him to be fired this sudden means WWE had a damn good reason. Their track record with these things speaks for itself. |
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Post by jean0987654321 on Sept 5, 2024 12:58:50 GMT -5
May he f*** off for good and hopefully be thrown under the jail. Hallelujah
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