Hiroshi Hase
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 20, 2007 20:28:37 GMT -5
It wouldn't do any good to have him job to Orton, if they went that route.
WWE would muck it up by having Orton lose to Jeff Hardy or Carlito the next night, which I'm glad that he didn't beat Hogan.
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Post by MGH on Jan 20, 2007 20:31:21 GMT -5
It wouldn't do any good to have him job to Orton, if they went that route. WWE would muck it up by having Orton lose to Jeff Hardy or Carlito the next night, which I'm glad that he didn't beat Hogan. Sadly this is too true. That's what I kept trying to get through that HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN! guy's head. Booking is just as important as the characters themselves. It's why I got irritated that Rated RKO beat DX at Cyber Sunday, then lost to Flair and Piper the next night. Wins and loses actually matter, which is something I've always disagreed with Russo about.
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Post by Loki on Jan 20, 2007 20:33:34 GMT -5
Why!!!! I tell you because SCSA has drew more than those pathetic excuses they try to pass us now! A wrestling retard!!! A white rapper! A samon!! Ya lets go early 90s crap fest!!! I rather see a guy that can entertain then some stupid gimmac crap. The fact Austin drew tons of money some years ago doesn't mean he's STILL fresh, entertaining and meaningful to WWE today. Especially since his health prevents him from coming back in some wrestling capacity. Not even for a throwaway money-maker feud with a current Superstar. If all we can get from him is the usual routine consisting of his catchprases repertoire, the middle finger, some stunners (with some kicking-punching for good measure) and the beer drinking celebration, I'm sorry, but I can't possibly see how this can help the product. He WAS huge, he's still megaover, but he's done IMO. Sure, the current main-event scene doesn't reek of awesomeness (bar Edge ), but they can actually improve, with a better booking and more interesting storylines. Hogan and Austin, well... they're good for a nostalgia pop and for some quick bucks, but beside that, for what else? What's the real value of a win over a retired and permanently injured superstar?
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Post by Will Has 'Til Five, Ref on Jan 20, 2007 21:01:28 GMT -5
If Austin returns it means the sheep will start doing the "What?" chants again. I know they've done it once in a while since he left but it would be ten times as worse if he comes back.
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Post by Banned Member on Jan 20, 2007 21:15:30 GMT -5
If Austin returns it means the sheep will start doing the "What?" chants again. I know they've done it once in a while since he left but it would be ten times as worse if he comes back. Thats the only damn thing I hate.
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Post by salTy on Jan 20, 2007 21:37:01 GMT -5
I love the "Austin held people back" argument, mainly due to the fact that's so ridiculously farcial that I can't even begin to take it seriously. Austin put so many people over during his run that attempting to call him unprofessional is one step above being mentally retarded. You have these kids born in the late eighties that maybe caught the tail-end of the Attitude era trying to tell everyone that was THERE what really happened because they happened to stumble across some mud-slinging wrestling "news" sites.
Austin's track record speaks for itself. His time spent during the top was mostly spent without a title around his waist. In fact, his longest reign came during his heel stint. Go back and actually LOOK instead of basing arguments off ridiculous news sites talking about how he held back Brock Lesnar. Yeah, Lesnar was one of the best booked guys in the business who ended up crapping on everyone because he almost got hurt. Yep, totally Austin's fault.
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Post by MGH on Jan 20, 2007 21:45:25 GMT -5
I love the "Austin held people back" argument, mainly due to the fact that's so ridiculously farcial that I can't even begin to take it seriously. Austin put so many people over during his run that attempting to call him unprofessional is one step above being mentally retarded. You have these kids born in the late eighties that maybe caught the tail-end of the Attitude era trying to tell everyone that was THERE what really happened because they happened to stumble across some mud-slinging wrestling "news" sites. Austin's track record speaks for itself. His time spent during the top was mostly spent without a title around his waist. In fact, his longest reign came during his heel stint. Go back and actually LOOK instead of basing arguments off ridiculous news sites talking about how he held back Brock Lesnar. Yeah, Lesnar was one of the best booked guys in the business who ended up crapping on everyone because he almost got hurt. Yep, totally Austin's fault. Just because you have a great track record doesn't make something unprofessional any less unprofessional. Austin didn't hold Lesnar back, but he did walk out before that match just because he didn't agree with it. He said so himself on TV during one of those WWE specials. That's no "mud slinging newz site". I'm sorry, I'm as big an Austin fan as there was, but that's an unprofessional act.
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Post by "IcePic" Rick Cobos on Jan 20, 2007 21:49:04 GMT -5
I don't blame Austin for walking out; the booking for him was becoming atrocious, with a surefire "fans will actually care" feud with Eddie, and just because he told the cold truth, he was booked to lose to some unfamiliar nobody who had only been on TV for about three months. There is no way that Lesnar was ready mentally or as a character to go over Stone Cold Steve Austin in June 2002.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jan 20, 2007 21:50:02 GMT -5
Christ.
I thought we got rid of his ass.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jan 20, 2007 21:50:28 GMT -5
I don't blame Austin for walking out; the booking for him was becoming atrocious, with a surefire "fans will actually care" feud with Eddie, and just because he told the cold truth, he was booked to lose to some unfamiliar nobody who had only been on TV for about three months. There is no way that Lesnar was ready mentally or as a character to go over Stone Cold Steve Austin in June 2002. So what? He was booked to lose, so he should have lost. Wrestlers have been victims of atrocious bookings before, and they did their jobs like professionals. Austin saw he was going to lose, didn't like it, and walked out. There's no excuse for that, no matter how big you are.
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Post by salTy on Jan 20, 2007 21:51:38 GMT -5
I love the "Austin held people back" argument, mainly due to the fact that's so ridiculously farcial that I can't even begin to take it seriously. Austin put so many people over during his run that attempting to call him unprofessional is one step above being mentally retarded. You have these kids born in the late eighties that maybe caught the tail-end of the Attitude era trying to tell everyone that was THERE what really happened because they happened to stumble across some mud-slinging wrestling "news" sites. Austin's track record speaks for itself. His time spent during the top was mostly spent without a title around his waist. In fact, his longest reign came during his heel stint. Go back and actually LOOK instead of basing arguments off ridiculous news sites talking about how he held back Brock Lesnar. Yeah, Lesnar was one of the best booked guys in the business who ended up crapping on everyone because he almost got hurt. Yep, totally Austin's fault. Just because you have a great track record doesn't make something unprofessional any less unprofessional. Austin didn't hold Lesnar back, but he did walk out before that match just because he didn't agree with it. He said so himself on TV during one of those WWE specials. That's no "mud slinging newz site". I'm sorry, I'm as big an Austin fan as there was, but that's an unprofessional act. Yeah, I get that. But people use that one instance as basis for someone's entire career. All of a sudden Austin refuses to job and put younger stars over. That was just a flat-out lie, and it didn't make him an unprofessional worker as a whole.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 20, 2007 22:46:50 GMT -5
Just because you have a great track record doesn't make something unprofessional any less unprofessional. Austin didn't hold Lesnar back, but he did walk out before that match just because he didn't agree with it. He said so himself on TV during one of those WWE specials. That's no "mud slinging newz site". I'm sorry, I'm as big an Austin fan as there was, but that's an unprofessional act. Yeah, I get that. But people use that one instance as basis for someone's entire career. All of a sudden Austin refuses to job and put younger stars over. That was just a flat-out lie, and it didn't make him an unprofessional worker as a whole. Maybe so, but the fact is he didn't go through with it and instead of talking it out, he bailed on the company, not saying he intended to hold back Lesnar at all, which I don't think that was his intention, just that you got to do what the company tells you, whether you like it or not, and there are times like that always.
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Post by skskillz on Jan 20, 2007 22:55:30 GMT -5
No, Hogan killed it when he no sold the powerbomb by getting up in about two seconds. WWE just didn't do anything to improve the matter. Hogan killed Vader, WWE just buried him. Hogan's entire gimmick was to no-sell finishers. He did that to EVERYONE. That's what worked. Hogan popped up in 2 seconds after an Undertaker Tombstone in 1991. Gee, Taker sure suffered after that, didn't he? I wonder what that poor sap is doing now? Probably bagging groceries somewhere since Hogan killed his career with a no-sell that's been done since 1985. Poor Taker. I wish Hogan bashing was relegated to people who actually saw at least some of his prime. God knows in 10 years people born in 1998 will be talking about Austin in the same way.
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Post by The Jeebus on Jan 20, 2007 23:30:36 GMT -5
I love the "Austin held people back" argument, mainly due to the fact that's so ridiculously farcial that I can't even begin to take it seriously. Austin put so many people over during his run that attempting to call him unprofessional is one step above being mentally retarded. You have these kids born in the late eighties that maybe caught the tail-end of the Attitude era trying to tell everyone that was THERE what really happened because they happened to stumble across some mud-slinging wrestling "news" sites. Austin's track record speaks for itself. His time spent during the top was mostly spent without a title around his waist. In fact, his longest reign came during his heel stint. Go back and actually LOOK instead of basing arguments off ridiculous news sites talking about how he held back Brock Lesnar. Yeah, Lesnar was one of the best booked guys in the business who ended up crapping on everyone because he almost got hurt. Yep, totally Austin's fault. Quoted for truth, f***in' A. Another thing everyone forgets is that Austin walked out on jobbing to Lesnar, and returned to have his final match. Says more about Austin's condition than his willingness to job. Besides, people not putting over Lesnar is definitely a Good Thing.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 20, 2007 23:35:17 GMT -5
I love the "Austin held people back" argument, mainly due to the fact that's so ridiculously farcial that I can't even begin to take it seriously. Austin put so many people over during his run that attempting to call him unprofessional is one step above being mentally retarded. You have these kids born in the late eighties that maybe caught the tail-end of the Attitude era trying to tell everyone that was THERE what really happened because they happened to stumble across some mud-slinging wrestling "news" sites. Austin's track record speaks for itself. His time spent during the top was mostly spent without a title around his waist. In fact, his longest reign came during his heel stint. Go back and actually LOOK instead of basing arguments off ridiculous news sites talking about how he held back Brock Lesnar. Yeah, Lesnar was one of the best booked guys in the business who ended up crapping on everyone because he almost got hurt. Yep, totally Austin's fault. Quoted for truth, waxin' A. Another thing everyone forgets is that Austin walked out on jobbing to Lesnar, and returned to have his final match. Says more about Austin's condition than his willingness to job. Besides, people not putting over Lesnar is definitely a Good Thing. Well, what was his last match, anyways? I know he had the match with Flair on the 6/3/02 Raw with the no punching stip, then he was to be on the 6/10/02 Raw, then no-showed.
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Post by Joekishi on Jan 20, 2007 23:36:31 GMT -5
The story better be good. Because if they make me stop Marking for Austin, I will raise some hell! I'm all for Stone Cold doing random stunners to the whole RAW roster. If he ends up becoming back up for HBK that'd be eh. I just want to see him mentor Carlito, and tell him that's not how you piss off vince
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Post by The Jeebus on Jan 20, 2007 23:37:10 GMT -5
Quoted for truth, waxin' A. Another thing everyone forgets is that Austin walked out on jobbing to Lesnar, and returned to have his final match. Says more about Austin's condition than his willingness to job. Besides, people not putting over Lesnar is definitely a Good Thing. Well, what was his last match, anyways? I know he had the match with Flair on the 6/3/02 Raw with the no punching stip, then he was to be on the 6/10/02 Raw, then no-showed. Against Rock at WrestleMania 19.
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Post by 'Sweet n' Sour' A. A. Estrada on Jan 20, 2007 23:43:08 GMT -5
He's not in the best of shape anymore, but I'll be buggered if I don't still love the guy.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 20, 2007 23:43:20 GMT -5
Well, what was his last match, anyways? I know he had the match with Flair on the 6/3/02 Raw with the no punching stip, then he was to be on the 6/10/02 Raw, then no-showed. Against Rock at WrestleMania 19. That's true, but I don't think at the time in 2002, that Austin even knew if he was coming back or not. WWE had buried him on TV, on various TV programming, it wasn't till late 02-early 03 when negotiations began to bring him back, so I don't think it was a master plan or anything that was in fruition for some time. He did put the Rock over at least in the end which capped off a great storyline, but still the guy should've done his job the year before, despite whether he thought it was good for business or not, unless he had creative control.
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Post by angryfan on Jan 20, 2007 23:52:23 GMT -5
No, Hogan killed it when he no sold the powerbomb by getting up in about two seconds. WWE just didn't do anything to improve the matter. Hogan killed Vader, WWE just buried him. Hogan's entire gimmick was to no-sell finishers. He did that to EVERYONE. That's what worked. Hogan popped up in 2 seconds after an Undertaker Tombstone in 1991. Gee, Taker sure suffered after that, didn't he? I wonder what that poor sap is doing now? Probably bagging groceries somewhere since Hogan killed his career with a no-sell that's been done since 1985. Poor Taker. I wish Hogan bashing was relegated to people who actually saw at least some of his prime. God knows in 10 years people born in 1998 will be talking about Austin in the same way. So can I bash Hogan then? I remember the entire WWF run, from when he was the heel that cut the awkward racist promo on Tony Atlas to the "Red and Yellow" days. Back on subject, the whole Austin/Brock situation. I say he should've worked, as, as has been said, bad booking happens all the time. However, the fact that logic like "so would you rather do this match today, on free TV, or do it at a PPV and make a boatload of cash?" didn't work amazes the hell out of me.
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