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Post by amsiraK on Jan 21, 2007 11:21:29 GMT -5
It makes sense to have Austin come in and pimp the movie... but they have to use their heads about it. Have him enhance another storyline, not start a whole new one. He's not in the shape he should be (conditioning-wise) to be doing much more than stunnering someone in the ring anyway.
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Post by #Classic Hi-Definition X on Jan 21, 2007 11:24:28 GMT -5
They oughta have him job to Orton. Piss off. Hey, cut it out.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 21, 2007 11:25:37 GMT -5
It makes sense to have Austin come in and pimp the movie... but they have to use their heads about it. Have him enhance another storyline, not start a whole new one. He's not in the shape he should be (conditioning-wise) to be doing much more than stunnering someone in the ring anyway. That's my point though, I dont wanna see another 10 weeks of Austin stunnering anyone and everybody just for jollies
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Post by amsiraK on Jan 21, 2007 11:31:38 GMT -5
Which, you know, is what they'll do. Because, in their eyes, it's easy to boil him down to just that. People pop for the stunner? Let's give them 17 in a row.
It would be better if he came in to pimp the movie, got sidetracked by someone else's feud (while still pimping the movie) and would up guest-reffing a match rather than be Stun-O-Matic Steve.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 21, 2007 11:33:29 GMT -5
Which, you know, is what they'll do. Because, in their eyes, it's easy to boil him down to just that. People pop for the stunner? Let's give them 17 in a row. It would be better if he came in to pimp the movie, got sidetracked by someone else's feud (while still pimping the movie) and would up guest-reffing a match rather than be Stun-O-Matic Steve. I'd love to see him ref maybe, a Vince vs (insert wrestler here) match at Mania. Something like that. The alternative is boring and kinda cheapens his legacy (see: homecoming)
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Post by amsiraK on Jan 21, 2007 11:40:57 GMT -5
Which, you know, is what they'll do. Because, in their eyes, it's easy to boil him down to just that. People pop for the stunner? Let's give them 17 in a row. It would be better if he came in to pimp the movie, got sidetracked by someone else's feud (while still pimping the movie) and would up guest-reffing a match rather than be Stun-O-Matic Steve. I'd love to see him ref maybe, a Vince vs (insert wrestler here) match at Mania. Something like that. The alternative is boring and kinda cheapens his legacy (see: homecoming) And if there's anything the company is about, it's cheaping the legacies. I swear, it's almost part of their 5-year plan. You can go, but we're making you unmarketable before you do.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 21, 2007 11:43:48 GMT -5
I'd love to see him ref maybe, a Vince vs (insert wrestler here) match at Mania. Something like that. The alternative is boring and kinda cheapens his legacy (see: homecoming) And if there's anything the company is about, it's cheaping the legacies. I swear, it's almost part of their 5-year plan. You can go, but we're making you unmarketable before you do. Unless your name is Hogan. Then you can go over guys half your age with ease
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Post by odanobunaga on Jan 21, 2007 12:05:43 GMT -5
No, Hogan killed it when he no sold the powerbomb by getting up in about two seconds. WWE just didn't do anything to improve the matter. Hogan killed Vader, WWE just buried him. Hogan's entire gimmick was to no-sell finishers. He did that to EVERYONE. That's what worked. Hogan popped up in 2 seconds after an Undertaker Tombstone in 1991. Gee, Taker sure suffered after that, didn't he? I wonder what that poor sap is doing now? Probably bagging groceries somewhere since Hogan killed his career with a no-sell that's been done since 1985. Poor Taker. I wish Hogan bashing was relegated to people who actually saw at least some of his prime. God knows in 10 years people born in 1998 will be talking about Austin in the same way. The problem with the Vader was that WWE pretty much booked him as a regular guy, and Hogan no selling the ONLY thing that Vader got that was over(the powerbomb) killed his character. Because seriously, Hogan received and get up in the same second. No one was going to take it serious anymore.
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Post by amsiraK on Jan 21, 2007 12:08:54 GMT -5
And if there's anything the company is about, it's cheaping the legacies. I swear, it's almost part of their 5-year plan. You can go, but we're making you unmarketable before you do. Unless your name is Hogan. Then you can go over guys half your age with ease Don't get me started. He's still their Money Monkey. No matter what, people outside wrestling will always look at Hogan as the ambassador to the WWE, so it's all good. Until he really pisses McMahon off. Then, you know the Huckster is coming out again.
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Post by darthpipes on Jan 21, 2007 12:40:28 GMT -5
Yeah Triple H sure has suffered from that fateful day back in 99. Wonder whatever became of that guy. Austin refused to put him over at Summerslam for no reason whatsoever. Not only that, but he wrestled one singles match with Triple H after that, and didnt work with the guy again until after the Rock and Mick Foley killed themselves to get the guy over as the top heel. My point was that Austin pulled a dickhead move, but because it's Austin, its totally ok in the eyes of people here. Austin can refuse to job to whomever he wants and walk out when he sees fit, but if HHH, Michaels or Hogan look at someone the wrong way, it's time for a public crucifiction. I just think there's a little bit of hypocracy here. Oh yes, I remember this. HHH was due to win the title at Summerslam 99 but Austin didn't want to job to him. That's why Foley won the title. This was definitely a case where Austin was wrong.
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Post by skskillz on Jan 21, 2007 12:51:39 GMT -5
The problem with the Vader was that WWE pretty much booked him as a regular guy, and Hogan no selling the ONLY thing that Vader got that was over(the powerbomb) killed his character. Because seriously, Hogan received and get up in the same second. No one was going to take it serious anymore. Then that's the WWF/E's fault, not Hogan's. If your career ended because Hogan no sold your finisher, then you were shit to begin with. Hogan kicked out of everyone's finisher. Then he Hulked Up, finger point, etc, etc. He did that to EVERYONE. How many times did he no sell Savage's elbow? Hundreds. How much credibility did Savage lose? None. Same with Taker, Rock, Dibiase, etc, etc. That was Hogan's gimmick. That's what the fans wanted to see, so it was done every time. Just like the People's Elbow or any other trademark move. The WWF could have turned Vader into a monster if they wanted to. No one remembered Vader's powerbomb being no sold by the time he came to the WWF. He could have been booked to kill people and all of his heat would have come back. Unfortunately for him, he wasn't used that way (though I thought him beating up Gorilla was a great start to his WWF run....it went downhill from there).
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Post by The Varsity Club on Jan 21, 2007 12:56:59 GMT -5
The problem is SCSA thinks he is bigger then the companyl....And as bad as booking decisions have been made u got to do what is told or say no when they call. Im sure SCSA return will be lackluster at best...He will come in stun orton and edge and make them look weak and then he will salute the crowd with his finger and a cold beer and that will be it...Real exciting.
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Post by skskillz on Jan 21, 2007 13:01:21 GMT -5
Austin's physical state and his ego means that he will not do anything other than bury someone. It's the only thing he can do now. Just look at his AWFUL last appearance on WWE TV with his nineteen hour promo marathon with the McMahons. Unlike Hogan, Austin cannot be put into a programe. Say what you like about Hogan but at least when he's on Raw it's as part as a build-up to a meaningful feud, with Austin it's just......"Hi remember me?". A bit like when Jimmy Snuka got introduced at Wrestlemania 4 only to come through the curtain, wave and piss off backstage again for no aparent reason whatsoever. It's the same with Austin these days. That's the main difference. Hogan comes back and wrestles a match. You can debate the quality of that match all you want, but he's advertised to wrestle, and he does. That equals money. Austin's only role is to be a foil for the GM, and that's been done already. He can't wrestle, he can't be a manager, and he can't be a GM (unless they want to recycle the tired Sherrif gimmick). What's left? Stunners and drinking beer. That's not going to draw a 1.34 buyrate like the Hogan/Shawn main event did two years ago.
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Post by therob on Jan 21, 2007 19:24:24 GMT -5
I will always feel guilty for Austin walking out. I remember that day. Me and my friend were walking home from school and we were talking wrestling. We were talking about wrestlers who would never leave the company and always had a job. I get home get on the internet and BAM Austin walks out. I felt like I jinxed it. Also it seems like alot of people in this thread don't remember how big Stone Cold was. Stone Cold was f***ing huge. Remember how many Austin 3:16 shirts were in the crowd. It just seems like people are discrediting Austin for all he did for the company.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 21, 2007 19:28:38 GMT -5
I'm not discrediting him at all, he did quite a lot and probably was the reason that WWE got back the advantage in the Monday Night Wars, but that doesn't mean he could walk out whenever things don't go his way.
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Post by amsiraK on Jan 21, 2007 19:37:27 GMT -5
I will always feel guilty for Austin walking out. I remember that day. Me and my friend were walking home from school and we were talking wrestling. We were talking about wrestlers who would never leave the company and always had a job. I get home get on the internet and BAM Austin walks out. I felt like I jinxed it. Also it seems like alot of people in this thread don't remember how big Stone Cold was. Stone Cold was waxing huge. Remember how many Austin 3:16 shirts were in the crowd. It just seems like people are discrediting Austin for all he did for the company. IT WAS YOUUUUUU! But, Y2JC, I wonder if he really had any other options. It was either do what THEY want you to do or... leave. Sometimes there isn't a whole lot of middle ground with the E. And he felt like he had to leave. I know it's another in a long line of tantrums from guys at the top (it seems like they've ALL pulled this from time to time), but I'm torn between being angry at SCSA for being a brat and running home and being glad that he did. He had his character/reputation to look out for and, in a company that makes its "stars" get poop shot at them/dropped on them on a semi-regular basis, he was probably the only one doing so.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Jan 21, 2007 19:48:30 GMT -5
I will always feel guilty for Austin walking out. I remember that day. Me and my friend were walking home from school and we were talking wrestling. We were talking about wrestlers who would never leave the company and always had a job. I get home get on the internet and BAM Austin walks out. I felt like I jinxed it. Also it seems like alot of people in this thread don't remember how big Stone Cold was. Stone Cold was waxing huge. Remember how many Austin 3:16 shirts were in the crowd. It just seems like people are discrediting Austin for all he did for the company. IT WAS YOUUUUUU! But, Y2JC, I wonder if he really had any other options. It was either do what THEY want you to do or... leave. Sometimes there isn't a whole lot of middle ground with the E. And he felt like he had to leave. I know it's another in a long line of tantrums from guys at the top (it seems like they've ALL pulled this from time to time), but I'm torn between being angry at SCSA for being a brat and running home and being glad that he did. He had his character/reputation to look out for and, in a company that makes its "stars" get poop shot at them/dropped on them on a semi-regular basis, he was probably the only one doing so. I agree that he's not the only one who's done that, like HBK who's "lost his smile" in order to not job to Bret, or Warrior holding up Vince at Summerslam 91. But it still doesn't excuse what he did, I'm sure he had his reasons, but to walk off and not try to talk it out solved nothing.
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Post by amsiraK on Jan 21, 2007 19:50:29 GMT -5
Do we know that he didn't? I know that the insider stuff doesn't all stay inside anymore, but I can't believe that he just listened to their idea and then no-showed.
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