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Post by skskillz on Jan 15, 2007 9:47:02 GMT -5
But, I....really do like Lance Storm and Stevie Richards! I get your point and pretty much agree with it though. Most people dont think I'm serious when I say I'd rather see Stevie, Storm, Dreamer, Snow, Balls, etc, than Rock, Lesnar, Goldberg, Bret Hart, Cena, Orton, and Batista...but I've liked lots of midcarders and underused guys. I was the first Foley fan amongst my group of friends, and when everyone else was watching Goldberg in WCW, I'd only watch if I was flipping and caught Raven or Mortis. Oh, I don't doubt that you and others genuinely liked mid-carders over the main eventers. That's fine. I was talking more about the people who don't give respect to Hogan, Rock, etc, because they worked a "formula" or "routine" and were more popular than those guys. I never liked Kurt Angle. Not once. But I respect his ability in the ring. There's a difference between not liking something and not respecting something, IMO.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 15, 2007 9:48:14 GMT -5
Why do people keep complaining that Hogan doesn't do the job? 95% of wrestling fans want him to win so why not give them what they want when he wrestles on the rare occasion. The sure didn't care about the guy 95% of the fans wanted to win at Unforgiven with Edge vs. Cena, and they damn sure didn't care about the guy 95% of the fans wanted to win in the Extreme Elimination Chamber. If they want Hogan to win, fine, but saying they put him over because the fans want it is giving WWE far too much credit. They have shown that they could give a crap what the fans want. BIG difference between a one time throwaway match that will have no lasting impact, and a title match. If Hogan wins, the fans pop huge, and he's gone the next week. If Hogan loses, the fans crap on it, and he's gone the next week. But for Vince to admit he was wrong about John Cena or WWECW? Not on your life. Plus Cena is still sadly over and gets cheers. I'm sure Vince can justify one "confused, stupid crowd" booing Cena when he sees the merchandise report and he sold 10000000 size small t-shirts.
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Post by willywonka666 on Jan 15, 2007 9:49:59 GMT -5
People are more worried about Cena LOSING-they don't care to who-they just want him to lose, whereas people generally wanted Hogan to WIN, no matter who he was against-big difference
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 15, 2007 9:51:31 GMT -5
People are more worried about Cena LOSING-they don't care to who-they just want him to lose, whereas people generally wanted Hogan to WIN, no matter who he was against-big difference That's a good point too. After all, months ago when the crowds finally started turning on Cena, I remember STRONG dueling "Lets Go Cena"/"Let's Go Shelton" chants during a match, and as much as I like Shelton, the only time he's been remotely over as a singles star is his original mini-feud vs HHH, until Orton squashed that by basically calling Shelton an "uppity black"
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Post by SparkyPlugg on Jan 15, 2007 9:51:56 GMT -5
Why do people keep complaining that Hogan doesn't do the job? 95% of wrestling fans want him to win so why not give them what they want when he wrestles on the rare occasion. The sure didn't care about the guy 95% of the fans wanted to win at Unforgiven with Edge vs. Cena, and they damn sure didn't care about the guy 95% of the fans wanted to win in the Extreme Elimination Chamber. If they want Hogan to win, fine, but saying they put him over because the fans want it is giving WWE far too much credit. They have shown that they could give a crap what the fans want. Not a fair comparison! A Hogan match is a rare thing these days, it draws money by itself. You are talking about everyday WWE storylines that continue after the matches take place. I think that WWE does care what the fans want. It's just that they haven't got a clue what that is most of the time. Also remember how flat the crowd was for Jericho vs HHH at WM18? Hogan loss = Crowd killer!
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Post by amsiraK on Jan 15, 2007 9:57:34 GMT -5
That's what you get with a writing staff from Nickelodeon - a lack of knowledge about what works with the fanbase.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 15, 2007 9:58:23 GMT -5
That's what you get with a writing staff from Nickelodeon - a lack of knowledge about what works with the fanbase. Don't forget about the writer who asked JBL how he did his fake blood, after Stevie Richards blasted him with an unholy chairshot on Smackdown 2 years ago.
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Post by amsiraK on Jan 15, 2007 10:02:22 GMT -5
That's the one I mean. She actually asked him how he keeps the "fake blood" flowing so well. At that moment, I so wanted him to show her.
Someone like that doesn't belong on the writing staff. Not because she came from outside the business, but because she didn't do any research into her new job AT ALL. Every writing/editing/creative job I've had has required me to take time and familiarize myself with the product.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 15, 2007 10:07:28 GMT -5
That's the one I mean. She actually asked him how he keeps the "fake blood" flowing so well. At that moment, I so wanted him to show her. Someone like that doesn't belong on the writing staff. Not because she came from outside the business, but because she didn't do any research into her new job AT ALL. Every writing/editing/creative job I've had has required me to take time and familiarize myself with the product. Totally, its one thing not to know the history of feuds, storylines, and characters (But someone who doesn't should STILL not be given a WRITING job! This'd be like hiring me to write for The Sopranos. I've never watched ONE episode and know nothing about the series) but to insult someone by asking them how they FAKED getting BUSTED OPEN.....ugh, just get choked.
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Post by skskillz on Jan 15, 2007 10:12:33 GMT -5
Since when? We've got plenty of posters over 25. Just because someone has an opinion doesn't mean those with opposing opinions aren't welcome. And for the record, I'm over 25 and I've NEVER liked Hogan. Even as a kid, I couldn't take his hackneyed nonsense. Wrestling has an expiration date. Once you reach a certain age, you'll begin to realize that you're in the minority and are being phased out, while a new generation of fans are in the majority and being marketed to. That's not a bad thing - it's normal - but that's where we are right now. The Mega Powers poll is one example. How many people saw the birth and climax of that angle while it happened? A few of us certainly, but most of the people who voted probably didn't. That's not their fault, since no one can control when they're born, but the lack of respect for guys like Hogan, Andre, Warrior, Savage (who the WWE doesn't acknowledge anymore), etc, clearly shows a sign of youth taking over. Again, it's not about "liking" something. It's about acknowledging and respecting something.
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 15, 2007 10:18:32 GMT -5
Hell I didnt even see the birth of the Mega Powers. I started watching wrestling right AT WrestleMania V, so I educated myself by renting tapes of everything that came before. And I'd rather watch an old Hogan/Savage vs Bossman/Akeem match than.....well, anything we'll see on RAW tonight.
Unless Marty Jannetty comes back. I'll watch HBK's match just to see if he does (bet he wont though)
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Post by skskillz on Jan 15, 2007 10:26:17 GMT -5
Hell I didnt even see the birth of the Mega Powers. I started watching wrestling right AT WrestleMania V, so I educated myself by renting tapes of everything that came before. And I'd rather watch an old Hogan/Savage vs Bossman/Akeem match than.....well, anything we'll see on RAW tonight. I did the same thing as you with another angle. I missed out on WrestleMania I and most of the stuff after it, so I didn't get to see the Hogan/Piper feud when it was hot. But like you, I just went out and rented the tapes. It's a good way to educate yourself on what you missed.
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Post by JoshWoodrumGreaterThanHBK on Jan 15, 2007 11:19:50 GMT -5
Im 18 years old.... the first wrestling match I can remember seeing is Hogan VS Warrior...... I'm a huge Hulk-A-Maniac....
I wasn't alive for WM 1-4..... and was less than a year old when WM 5 happened..... yet I still say that the Mega Powers is greater than the Power Trip..... I still say that Hogan's legacy is greater than anyones, HBK, Rock, Austin even Flair.
Younger fans are not all stupid.... my best friend isn't a Hulk-A-Maniac, but he agrees that Hogan is the most important star of all time.
Hogan deserves everyones respect! People hate on him because now a days the Internet fans care to much about work rate...
Well face it.... the IWC makes up such a small portion of the audience..... Do you think the casual.... or hell even the die hard fans care if CM Punk VS Johnny Nitro is a main event? NO!
But if Hulk Hogan were to face eityher of those two men.... well more people would care for them.....
Hell Samoa Joe VS Kurt Angle might be better wrestling.... but Joe VS Hogan would mean more....
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Post by Juggalo/Hulkamaniac on Jan 15, 2007 11:46:00 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan is the man, the legend. Regardless how old he gets, guys like Chris Hero and all of TNA can't even compete.
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Post by Cousin Judge on Jan 15, 2007 12:26:59 GMT -5
There is something about hogan when he wrestles.
It's simple.
It's....
HULKAMANIA!!!!
Those who don't understand it never will and those who do need no further explanation.
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Post by skskillz on Jan 15, 2007 12:30:00 GMT -5
I wasn't alive for WM 1-4..... and was less than a year old when WM 5 happened..... yet I still say that the Mega Powers is greater than the Power Trip..... I still say that Hogan's legacy is greater than anyones, HBK, Rock, Austin even Flair. Younger fans are not all stupid.... my best friend isn't a Hulk-A-Maniac, but he agrees that Hogan is the most important star of all time. Just to clarify, I didn't mean to imply that all younger fans don't appreciate the past or anything like that. There are many younger fans who know about past angles, wrestlers, etc, through tapes or DVD's or research. You don't have to be alive or witness an event to realize its significance, and if I came across that way, then my mistake. My point was that the younger generation is slowly making the Attitude Era into its "nostalgia" period, while the '80's is slowly being fazed out, which would explain many of the sentiments on this forum (towards Hogan and otherwise). I'm not old by anyone's standards, so I'm not looking down on younger fans or anything like that. I have no right to. I'm just pointing out a disparity in many opinions based primarily on being fans of different eras.
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Post by Cousin Judge on Jan 15, 2007 12:36:23 GMT -5
It seems that even among fans who were unquestionably too young to remember the original Hulkamania era, Hogan is still over than 99% of the roster and maybe even MORE over than even John Cena. You see them, little tykes jumping up and down on their Daddies shoulder decked out in the merchendise.
He still has mainstream appeal. When people see a show with Hogan it's like a special extra because he is such an iconic name these days
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Post by Johnny Danger (Godz) on Jan 15, 2007 12:44:42 GMT -5
It seems that even among fans who were unquestionably too young to remember the original Hulkamania era, Hogan is still over than 99% of the roster and maybe even MORE over than even John Cena. You see them, little tykes jumping up and down on their Daddies shoulder decked out in the merchendise. He still has mainstream appeal. When people see a show with Hogan it's like a special extra because he is such an iconic name these days Yeah, when I used to go to shows dressed up like Hogan, I'd seriously have little kids who couldnt be any older than 8 lining up to take pictures with me. Wouldn't exactly call them old school Hulkamaniacs. Great judges of character though. Ahem.
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Post by Bobafett on Jan 15, 2007 14:38:32 GMT -5
regardless of youre preferences of wrestler you have to look at Hogan in this way doers he deserve respect? yes, but that doesn't not mean to say we should sweep his or anyone elses faults under the carpet simply because of who he is.
and Hogan himself, the guy has little to no respect for alot of other wrestlers and a high opinion of himself, he isn't unique, but some of his thoughts nd opinions are downright fruity, only the Warrior surpasses him
I remember waching a program and it was about WCW, and thet were talking about the amount Bret was getting paid and Hogan thought it was stupid money, some may agree, but his reasonoing was that Hogan had sold out the astrodome, how many did Bret pull in for a PPV, now when you think on it at face value, he had a point, but come on buy then the Astrodome was a decade away, hogan hadn't pulled that sorta crowd for a while on his own, is that fair?
to be honest HBK (just like he did later in his feud against Vince ) ctually said a few home truths about Hogan
I do not hate Hogan, I just never saw the big deal, 1) I started watching late 91 2) I giuess me personally found it hard to get excited about an All American hero, I'm scottish (I know people from other counties liked Hogan I'm just talking about me personally )
and the IWC prefers workrate? how do yo explain Snitsky and another thing is workrate SO bad?
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Post by Choose Slack on Jan 15, 2007 14:42:29 GMT -5
Its like yeah we all know that he cant do a lot of things that other wrestlers do but his Charisma is so overwhelming that we cheer for him anyway. Like for example when the NWO took on Stone Cold and The Rock back in 2002 and Hogan was whipping up the rock and did the simple leg drop everyone marked for him. Does anyone else feel the same way about hogan? I've never cheered for Hogan.
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