There's something about Hogan when he wrestles

[Johnny Danger (Godz)]

Snitsky's workrate isn't terrible. For a big guy he's got some neat moves. Problem is how is he supposed to showcase them when he gets no time? Plus I really dig his bizarre humor when they let him use it. And he's one of the few guys to come along in recent years that isn't just another prettyboy.

[mo]

Hogan's a legend and deserves respect and that other stuff, I'm just tired of him on my TV, he doesn't need to be at WrestleMania 23

[MGH]

motakerfan said:

Hogan's a legend and deserves respect and that other stuff, I'm just tired of him on my TV, he doesn't need to be at WrestleMania 23

That's more my stance on it. I get that people will love him as long as he's around, and hey you like who you like. I've just never had the attitude of "I liked something before, so I still like it no matter what". Hogan was THE MAN for me when I was a kid. He could do no wrong and I'd have watched him before anyone else. But I grew up, and stopped liking him.

What can I say, 90% of the crowds he goes in front of pop huge for him, he's still one of the biggest stars going today. But I think that's more a statement on WWE's current state than praise of Hogan.

I just never want to see him again because he provides no entertainment for me. Him and John Cena today are now one in the same to me.

Yeah, I respect him for his place in the business's history, but that doesn't mean I want to see him every year.

[The Boss]

bobafett said:

yeah there is something..its crap

I'm sorry but how on earth can newer talents get a chance if they keep dragging him up?

They keep bringing HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN back because even to this day at age 53 he is still the #1 draw. If these new guys would be able to connect with the fans and get over there wouldn't be a need to bring HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN back all the time.

The wrestlers of today have this idea that they are just entitled to have everything handed to them. If they haven't won a world title within 2 years they cry fowl. They think that everyone is supposed to have a turn.

Back in the day very few wrestlers became World champions because back them you had to first get over before you were even considered. Therefore becoming World champion was a great honor. Now-a-days people have this mentality that the title is supposed to come first and that by winning the title you will become famous. All that thinking has done is dilute the prestige of being World champion.

and don't give me the "but there is no-one as big as him" well there won't be if we have that attitude I mean come on, there are others that deserve our regard and respect a lot more than him

guys like Flair, HBK, Bret Hart, Kurt Angle, Randy Savage, HHH, Austin, RVD, Benoit, Eddie and Rey to name a few

These guys are great wrestlers for sure. But they are just wrestlers. None of them have had the appeal that HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN has. None of them have been able to bring in the casual fan like HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN has.

Even "Stinko" Steve, as popular as he was, was riding a wave of a boom in pro wrestling popularity that was started by HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN. None of the men you mentioned (or anyone else for that matter) have had the impact on pro wrestling that HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN has.

guys who would go out all the time and bust their butts to entertain the crowd and in most cases putting their bodies and Health on the line, and yet everyone prefers to idolise a guy who has been doing the same routine for years, living off a reputation that, yes was earned, but look at last twp years of Summerslam, bringing him in to go over regular workers?

And the wrestlers who are fortunate enough to face HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN get more exposer and a bigger push just by wrestling HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN than they ever could by wrestling anyone else. So bringing back HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN is a plus for everyone. He brings in more fans who then look at his opponents as bigger stars because they wrestled HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN. Even though they lost, the fans left happy and that's the most important thing. The fans want to see HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN win and when he does the fans leave happy and have a higher opinion of the man he wrestled.

plus what image is WWE putting out by bringing guys like him back all the time? I know what it is

"we have no desire or no faith in any of our current men to become big ppv draws"

Correction. That would be, "No matter how hard we try to put new guys over, the ratings show that fans still prefer HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN and so we give the fans what they want."

pople compare Hogan to Babe Ruth, ok, but at least baseball fans admit that there are other people in the sport just as great

No they don't they admit their are other guys who are great for different reasons. If that day comes where someone is able to surpass HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN good for them. But it hasn't happened yet and is unlikely to happen for a long time if ever.

[Cousin Judge]

I agree with what you say but saying HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN is as annoying as a fart in an elevator

[Johnny Danger (Godz)]

areyouready said:

I agree with what you say but saying HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN is as annoying as a fart in an elevator

Stop being rude to Brian Knobbs.

[Cousin Judge]

godz said:

areyouready said:

I agree with what you say but saying HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN is as annoying as a fart in an elevator

Stop being rude to Brian Knobbs.

It wasn't him who farted.

But seriously, I think the point about mainstream appeal is an important one. Austin did have it and Rock now clearly has it but Hogan's been the only one to get it to the extent that he did and through wrestling. Yes Hogan did the movies and all that schnoz but it was wrestling that made him the big household name.

[The Boss]

bobafett said:

regardless of youre preferences of wrestler you have to look at Hogan in this way doers he deserve respect? yes, but that doesn't not mean to say we should sweep his or anyone elses faults under the carpet simply because of who he is.

and Hogan himself, the guy has little to no respect for alot of other wrestlers and a high opinion of himself, he isn't unique, but some of his thoughts nd opinions are downright fruity, only the Warrior surpasses him

I remember waching a program and it was about WCW, and thet were talking about the amount Bret was getting paid and Hogan thought it was stupid money, some may agree, but his reasonoing was that Hogan had sold out the astrodome, how many did Bret pull in for a PPV, now when you think on it at face value, he had a point, but come on buy then the Astrodome was a decade away, hogan hadn't pulled that sorta crowd for a while on his own, is that fair?

Excuse me but HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN was responsible for the great boom of the 90s.

After being regarded as little more than that "other" promotion for eight years (when Turner bought Jim Crockett promotions), and a promotion that most casual fans never cared for, HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN came over, took WCW from absolutely nothing and made it the promotion to see. from the moment he arrived WCW's popularity began to grow. Within one year made it was big enough to go head to head with the WWF. As a result Nitro was created and the Monday night wars were born. defeating the WWF in the ratings right from the start. Nitro was a huge success defeating the WWF in the ratings in the first show with the two promotions trading victories week to week from then on.
Less than a year later HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN turned heal and formed the nWo which started a new boom in pro wrestling popularity.

This was within less than two years of HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN'S WCW arrival and it didn't stop there. WCW continued to grow, surpassing the WWF for the first time ever as the #1 promotion in the world. For two years they dominated the ratings. And who was the top guy in the WWF that was no match for HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN? Why none other than Bret Hart. So HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN was correct in thinking that they waisted money on Hart. And the fact that WCW started to fall apart right after he arrived only further proves it.

So you can't say that HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN hadn't done anything for the sport recently. In fact just this year he sold out WrestleMania all by himself in just one hour. When the tickets went on sale HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN was the only name confirmed for the card. Even his opponent wasn't 100% sure of. But that didn't matter. Just his name alone was enough to sell out WrestleMania in 1 hour. Nobody else has ever done that.

to be honest HBK (just like he did later in his feud against Vince ) ctually said a few home truths about Hogan

I do not hate Hogan, I just never saw the big deal, 1) I started watching late 91 2) I giuess me personally found it hard to get excited about an All American hero, I'm scottish (I know people from other counties liked Hogan I'm just talking about me personally )

Who is HBK to talk? He only got the title because he was all the WWF had left. He was the best of the rest.

[MGH]

Dude...the caps....you look like troll. Might want to stop.

[The Boss]

mygreatesthour said:

Dude...the caps....you look like troll. Might want to stop.

Like a what?

[sam_III]

theboss said:

So you can't say that HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN hadn't done anything for the sport recently. In fact just this year he sold out WrestleMania all by himself in just one hour. When the tickets went on sale HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN was the only name confirmed for the card. Even his opponent wasn't 100% sure of. But that didn't matter. Just his name alone was enough to sell out WrestleMania in 1 hour. Nobody else has ever done that.

I wouldnt say that it was Hogan who sold out Wrestlemania. I think people get tickets to Wrestlemania because they know that they are going to get some good matches, and be entertained. The fact that Hogan's on the card is just a bonus, not the sole reason for a sell out. I understand where you are coming from in your other arguments, but i think you are being a tad bias towards the Hulkster

[algertman]

If I see Hogan in a match I wanna see him win. Don't know why, just do

[Bobafett]

theboss said:

bobafett said:

regardless of youre preferences of wrestler you have to look at Hogan in this way doers he deserve respect? yes, but that doesn't not mean to say we should sweep his or anyone elses faults under the carpet simply because of who he is.

and Hogan himself, the guy has little to no respect for alot of other wrestlers and a high opinion of himself, he isn't unique, but some of his thoughts nd opinions are downright fruity, only the Warrior surpasses him

I remember waching a program and it was about WCW, and thet were talking about the amount Bret was getting paid and Hogan thought it was stupid money, some may agree, but his reasonoing was that Hogan had sold out the astrodome, how many did Bret pull in for a PPV, now when you think on it at face value, he had a point, but come on buy then the Astrodome was a decade away, hogan hadn't pulled that sorta crowd for a while on his own, is that fair?

Excuse me but HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN was responsible for the great boom of the 90s.

After being regarded as little more than that "other" promotion for eight years (when Turner bought Jim Crockett promotions), and a promotion that most casual fans never cared for, HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN came over, took WCW from absolutely nothing and made it the promotion to see. from the moment he arrived WCW's popularity began to grow. Within one year made it was big enough to go head to head with the WWF. As a result Nitro was created and the Monday night wars were born. defeating the WWF in the ratings right from the start. Nitro was a huge success defeating the WWF in the ratings in the first show with the two promotions trading victories week to week from then on.
Less than a year later HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN turned heal and formed the nWo which started a new boom in pro wrestling popularity.

This was within less than two years of HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN'S WCW arrival and it didn't stop there. WCW continued to grow, surpassing the WWF for the first time ever as the #1 promotion in the world. For two years they dominated the ratings. And who was the top guy in the WWF that was no match for HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN? Why none other than Bret Hart. So HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN was correct in thinking that they waisted money on Hart. And the fact that WCW started to fall apart right after he arrived only further proves it.

So you can't say that HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN hadn't done anything for the sport recently. In fact just this year he sold out WrestleMania all by himself in just one hour. When the tickets went on sale HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN was the only name confirmed for the card. Even his opponent wasn't 100% sure of. But that didn't matter. Just his name alone was enough to sell out WrestleMania in 1 hour. Nobody else has ever done that.

to be honest HBK (just like he did later in his feud against Vince ) ctually said a few home truths about Hogan

I do not hate Hogan, I just never saw the big deal, 1) I started watching late 91 2) I giuess me personally found it hard to get excited about an All American hero, I'm scottish (I know people from other counties liked Hogan I'm just talking about me personally )

Who is HBK to talk? He only got the title because he was all the WWF had left. He was the best of the rest.

Great we got a new Asics Johnson on the board

so Bret was why WCW failed?

So we have to discount anything HBK says because of the reason you think he got the title?

and Hogan had NOTHING to do with the downfall of WCW?

and quit making it out that he was the only one in the big boom, at least credit Nash and Hall too.

[Cyberwoo]

Hogan has never entertained me, not in AWA, not in WWF, not in WCW, and not in WWE. He never has and never will entertain me. His matches all look the same to me, and his promos all sound the same to me. Boring.

[omgking]

karisma888 said:

I don't think newer talent is held back solely by Hogan, but he's a contributor to the problem. Instead of using him to help put over someone younger and deserving *pause to let universe stop laughing*, they bring him back to bury someone and then leave. (I'm talking the last few years.)

Was HBK burried by losing? I would argue Orton wasn't buried by losing, either. Every fan knows what's gonna happen when Hogan wrestles now. Having someone job to Hogan doesn;t bury anyone at all, IMO. And to say he never put anyone over, I seem to remember a match with the Rock.... It's "cool" to hate on Hogan, but 99% of the people on this forum wouldn't be here without him, so I say he can do what ever the hell he wants, as long as not wrestling week in and week out.

[salTy]

Hogan does nothing for me because his crap grew old on me back when I was a kid. Even as a mark I knew he would win every match with his "hulk up" crap. I didn't hate him, there were just a lot of other guys I preferred because they were just downright more interesting.

Now when the nWo came around, I fell absolutely in love with the "Hollywood" Hogan character. THAT was interesting. Maybe the greatest heel turn in the history of wrestling. I loved that character until around '99 when things started getting silly.

I haven't given a fe-fi-fo-fiddly-poobah f**k about Hogan since.

[amsiraK]

omgking said:

karisma888 said:

I don't think newer talent is held back solely by Hogan, but he's a contributor to the problem. Instead of using him to help put over someone younger and deserving *pause to let universe stop laughing*, they bring him back to bury someone and then leave. (I'm talking the last few years.)

Was HBK burried by losing? I would argue Orton wasn't buried by losing, either. Every fan knows what's gonna happen when Hogan wrestles now. Having someone job to Hogan doesn;t bury anyone at all, IMO. And to say he never put anyone over, I seem to remember a match with the Rock.... It's "cool" to hate on Hogan, but 99% of the people on this forum wouldn't be here without him, so I say he can do what ever the hell he wants, as long as not wrestling week in and week out.

Was HBK buried? No. That match was SUPPOSED to be a one-off One Last Match kinda thing (and Hogan taking out someone who ran against him in prior years, IMO - the same reason he wants the match with Austin. So he can go over the people who beat him during the Monday Night Wars. He's nothing if not about making himself out to be All That Wrestling Is.) and HBK's career is already cemented. But Orton... if he'd gone over Hogan, who knows what would've happened. And I don't necessarily mean a win. If Hogan had made Orton - a young, active wrestler - look good, it might have done something for his career. Instead, Hogan wins, Orton looks bad and Brooke's music career does the biggest job of all. (Seriously - his appearance that time was supposed to give her album a boost and she appeared ONCE during the whole run.) And yes, the fans know what to expect out of his matches now. So why bother watching them? They're all the same. They do nothing for anyone OTHER than Hogan.

And I disliked Hogan LONG before it was cool to.

[takermark]

jeeze can't we all get along..ha

well no matter how you feel about hogan at least you have to agree with three of the four, at least two:

1. You respect Hogan
2. Hogan put wrestling into the mainstream
3. You liked old school Hulk Hogan
4 You liked Hollywood Hulk Hogan when he started the NWO with Nash and Hall

Now I am not a big Hogan mark by any means but I do agree with all four

[amsiraK]

I'll give you #2. But that's all I got.

[Cyberwoo]

karisma888 said:

I'll give you #2. But that's all I got.

Yep, same here. And even then I give Vince more credit for that than Hogan. But I'll give the Douche credit he helped bring wrestling to the mainstream. But to quote George Carlin "I think the reason the mainstream is called a stream is because of how shallow it is."