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Post by rra on Sept 5, 2007 12:42:51 GMT -5
I can't believe Vince, in the middle of this Steroids Controversy, will give the belt back to ole Johnny after 30 days.
Then again, with the Benoit brain damage report, Vince could try to spin it.........
Of course, with that logic, Vince would pimp CM Punk and his "straight-edge" lifestyle as a positive this side of NBA with Grant Hill (without being overrated nor injured all the time).
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Post by The Captain on Sept 5, 2007 13:08:43 GMT -5
Sounds like Smarkbait to me. PWInsider's usually pretty reliable, but they were pretty wrong with Punk a lot of the times, consistently reporting about how his push was over or that he would be buried for the rest of his career.
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Post by sexualvanilla on Sept 5, 2007 13:09:31 GMT -5
While Punk is not someone who may need the title to be over, having the title goes along with his Addiction to Competition mantra and I think would get more over with it. John Morrison may need it for his character, he doesn't deserve it; he gets no heat and the fans don't care about him. There's that Shawn Michaels quote about "The belt doesn't make you, you make the belt" and Morrison wasn't doing that.
Now I'll eat my words if Morrison gets a whole crowd chanting his name, but he couldn't even get that on his own or in a team
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Post by rra on Sept 5, 2007 13:14:09 GMT -5
While Punk is not someone who may need the title to be over, having the title goes along with his Addiction to Competition mantra and I think would get more over with it. John Morrison may need it for his character, he doesn't deserve it; he gets no heat and the fans don't care about him. There's that Shawn Michaels quote about "The belt doesn't make you, you make the belt" and Morrison wasn't doing that. Now I'll eat my words if Morrison gets a whole crowd chanting his name, but he couldn't even get that on his own or in a team I absolutely agree with you. Remember Morrison and his dead-air IC title run on RAW? Compare that with the hot-as-hell crowd pop that Jeff Hardy got after beating him for the same belt. The problem with Punk and his belt is, who will he actually feud against besides Morrison and Big Daddy WhoGivesADamn V and Boogeyman? I would love to see Tommy Dreamer become a cranky ECW "Original" heel who whines that Punk "is a nice guy and all, but he's part of the Soft Generation of Wrestling" and basically we have Extreme Rules matches where Punk finally triumphs in defending his belt. At least for one episode, it would be fun.
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Post by Conor*Charisma on Sept 5, 2007 13:23:34 GMT -5
Actually I Like This Idea. Read on.
No one ever likes a heel chasing a championship, its never that fun. I think they could do a interesting chasing feud with Punk. Not making him look weak but just seeing how hard he tried and building up how much he means to him, then they can change the belts on a PPV and it will be a huge moment instead of on TV.
I don't think Punk needs the belt to be over. I think with Nitro it helps a lot if he has a belt so people have to take him seriously.
Nitro needs it more, and hey I'm all for quick changes in Title programs. While Punk doing a 'Orton' May unset people at least he aint doing a 'Cena'. Plus its not like he'll be off TV. He'll still do there and might get to do some interesting Promos.
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Post by Ramses on Sept 5, 2007 13:29:27 GMT -5
hmm, in contrast, if Punk's character is "My Only Addiction is compition", who can he compeate against? who can feed his need for addiction!?
in other words: I agriee with most of you, Punk was better as not a champ, and morrison was better as a champ since they both thrive with and without the belt. Though, im sure there will be a Huge backclash once Morrison gets the belt back again...
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Post by poi zen rana on Sept 5, 2007 13:31:00 GMT -5
Well honestly, I'm just happy that Punk won a world championship period. Sucks that it'll probably be a short reign. I didn't expect he'd have it long anyways, and besides it's probably more than what Samoa Joe could say for his TNA run thus far. punk may be a 3rd highest belt champion, but unless he starts main eventing a majority of pay per views, i don't think he has accomplished more than joe.
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Post by norbac on Sept 5, 2007 13:45:10 GMT -5
He'll probably lose it in No Mercy, which happens to be in Chicago.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 5, 2007 13:45:32 GMT -5
I didn't expect he'd have it long anyways, and besides it's probably more than what Samoa Joe could say for his TNA run thus far. punk may be a 3rd highest belt champion, but unless he starts main eventing a majority of pay per views, i don't think he has accomplished more than joe. IMO, the history of the ECW title that Punk won at the house show traces back to the mid 90's, whereas the world title Joe is hunting traces back to about this spring (sorry TNA fans, but I have trouble tying in the NWA world title and the TNA world title being the same thing). So not counting their ROH title runs, I put Punk's recent achievement above what Joe's done in TNA. As far as future booking, I don't want a Super-Punk reign. I think he should be put into the Rock position, being that he holds the belt for a few months (or a couple), is constantly in danger of being screwed, and is always booked strong. Morrison shouldn't win the title the night he returns, though- at least not without some serious shenanigans.
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Post by sexualvanilla on Sept 5, 2007 13:45:52 GMT -5
Well, with Punk he has a lot more options with who to face. Morrison could only really wrestle with Punk, Balls, Dreamer, and maybe Stevie. Very few of them have had any momentum or believability to maybe being the champion with Punk as the only guy with potential.
Punk could fight BDV, Elijah Burke, Marcus Cor Van, Fertig, and various other guys. They're heels and hes had good matches with some of them before, so he has options. Or do what the E does sometimes and just import another guy from one of the other brands and do a short feud wtih them
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Post by Mac on Sept 5, 2007 13:53:51 GMT -5
The real issue is theres no challengers for the ECW title outside of Morrison and Punk. They seriously need to try to make something out of the ECW roster or just end it. It's full of guys who seem to be there just to fill out a roster. I was thinking ECW would be WWE's answer to the X Division. Then we started seeing who they brought in to be ECW champions.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Sept 5, 2007 13:55:48 GMT -5
I think the feud between the two should continue.....but I wouldnt recommend Morrison get the belt back immediately. Have him lose a ppv match or two before he finally beats punk....then have the feud continue from there.
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Post by rra on Sept 5, 2007 13:57:59 GMT -5
punk may be a 3rd highest belt champion, but unless he starts main eventing a majority of pay per views, i don't think he has accomplished more than joe. IMO, the history of the ECW title that Punk won at the house show traces back to the mid 90's, whereas the world title Joe is hunting traces back to about this spring (sorry TNA fans, but I have trouble tying in the NWA world title and the TNA world title being the same thing). So not counting their ROH title runs, I put Punk's recent achievement above what Joe's done in TNA. As far as future booking, I don't want a Super-Punk reign. I think he should be put into the Rock position, being that he holds the belt for a few months (or a couple), is constantly in danger of being screwed, and is always booked strong. Morrison shouldn't win the title the night he returns, though- at least not without some serious shenanigans. Agree. But Morrison marks don't seem to know any better.
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Post by rra on Sept 5, 2007 13:58:45 GMT -5
I think the feud between the two should continue.....but I wouldnt recommend Morrison get the belt back immediately. Have him lose a ppv match or two before he finally beats punk....then have the feud continue from there. That worked well for Jericho/HHH....
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Post by 4real on Sept 5, 2007 13:58:46 GMT -5
They just need to get Punk the heck away from Morrison. This feud has had it's day, give them new oppenents. And most importantly of all, improve Morrison. Everything about him apart from the body and the look must go.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 5, 2007 14:07:17 GMT -5
You know what's most ridiculous about WWE?
That they book title wins completely backwards.
See, a wrestling company that actually knows anything about wrestling looks at their roster, sees they have a hot act, or a guy with a lot of promise, see how the crowd reacts to him or the idea of him winning gold, and push him towards the title.
The WWE, on the other hand, takes guys that the writers just like, ignore crowd response (or the lack thereof), and decide that, to get them over, they have to slap a title on them. No build, no suspense, no character development, just slap a title on them.
Carlito's first match? Title win. Every debuting tag team for the last two years? Title wins (or at least by their third or fourth matches). They've basically done the same with Morrison/Nitro/whatever.
That accomplishes nothing. The wrestler doesn't get over, since the fans have no reason to give a damn about them, but even worse, the belt doesn't get over! At least if the belt was over as a major prize, you could have a guy win it out of the blue and be looked at as a big deal because of it. But they've done it so much, with so many titles, that it doesn't mean a damn thing.
I would say it's "baffling", but we're talking about the WWE.
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Post by poi zen rana on Sept 5, 2007 14:10:44 GMT -5
punk may be a 3rd highest belt champion, but unless he starts main eventing a majority of pay per views, i don't think he has accomplished more than joe. IMO, the history of the ECW title that Punk won at the house show traces back to the mid 90's, whereas the world title Joe is hunting traces back to about this spring (sorry TNA fans, but I have trouble tying in the NWA world title and the TNA world title being the same thing). So not counting their ROH title runs, I put Punk's recent achievement above what Joe's done in TNA. As far as future booking, I don't want a Super-Punk reign. I think he should be put into the Rock position, being that he holds the belt for a few months (or a couple), is constantly in danger of being screwed, and is always booked strong. Morrison shouldn't win the title the night he returns, though- at least not without some serious shenanigans. i see what you mean but in my opinion the wwecw title even if it is considered the same title as the original ecw just does not compare in my book. to me that belt is no more a representative of the original ecw champions, than their tuesday night show is a representative of the original ecw. i guess i just don't buy punk being treated better than joe when joe is the number one babyface in the company frequently used in a main event setting, where as punk is a glorified midcarder.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Sept 5, 2007 14:23:03 GMT -5
Also this sends a wonderful message: Do you do steroids? Did you shame our company and the wellness policy by going through an illegal online pharmacy? No problem! Just get suspended for a month and come back and we'll restore the status quo for you no questions asked! This would be funny if it wasn't true.
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Post by lildude8218 on Sept 5, 2007 14:24:57 GMT -5
There's more money in Punk chasing the champion than him being the champion right now. He has no real challengers. Before you say Burke, we've seen Punk beat him countless times already, it would get old fast. I don't think Big Daddy V as a longterm challenger would be generate much interest and I really like the character.
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Post by Corporate H on Sept 5, 2007 14:26:48 GMT -5
Maybe they'll come to their senses when they realize that Punk as ECW champion is perfect right now.
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