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Post by lildude8218 on Sept 9, 2007 13:33:10 GMT -5
so now that he's off of Raw, Triple H doesn't like Flair anymore and thinks he should hang it up again?
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Post by randomranter on Sept 9, 2007 15:31:50 GMT -5
The problem is that Flair has been used wrong from the day he returned to active in-ring competition in the WWE.
At his age, Flair should be used only for special appearances and in high-profile angles that would elevate a younger wrestler. Flair should be appearing only at events like Wrestlemania and the Royal Rumble, where his appearances can be treated as special, and in areas like the Carolinas, where he is almost certain to get the biggest pops of the night. Outside of that, he should not be on television. And he should certainly NOT be jobbing to generic wrestler #245 Kenny Dykstra or other wrestlers who have no real future.
Here's how I'd book a year with Ric Flair, from Wrestlemania to Wrestlemania.
Flair is kept off of television after WM, only appearing in Carolina based house shows. Flair defeats semi-jobbers and low-end midcarders such as Kenny Dykstra and Shelton Benjamin. The matches are good quality matches, but overall unimportant in terms of storyline advancement. The main goal is to keep Flair looking credible, while improving the ringwork of the up-and-comers.
We lead into Summerslam, where Flair has a match vs. Carlito. Flair makes few television appearances (1-2 at most to set up the feud) in an attempt to increase buyrates. After a 15-20 minute match, Flair wins via (insert dirty tactic here). This keeps flair looking credible, Carlito doesn't lose any momentum, and furthers Flair's "Dirtiest Player in the Game" gimmick.
Outside of special appearances (Again, carolina house shows, Tribute to the Troops, etc.), we don't see flair until the Royal Rumble, where Flair's participation is a highlight: "Can the oldest man on the roster and the dirtiest player in the game make it to the biggest show in the industry?" Nope. He enters about halfway through, lasts about 10 minutes, then gets tossed out by Randy Orton.
This sets up the Orton/Flair match at Wrestlemania. Flair's television appearances are again kept to a minimum, but enough to solidify the feud. We get another 20 minute match out of the two at Wrestlemania, but this time, Orton wins clean in the middle of the ring.
Flair then goes back to random special appearances when his name power will be best used.
In summary:
Sporadic appearances. wins vs. jobbers and low-end mid carders. High profile wins vs. mid carders who will most likely stay at midcard (Carlito) in matches that are designed to make both look strong. High profile losses vs. main eventers and mid-carders most likely to one day be main-eventers (Orton.)
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Post by Big L on Sept 9, 2007 15:33:46 GMT -5
HHH is right, at Flair's age there's no way that he should be going over anyone. It may just be me, but I think his act got old a long time ago and over the last 5 or so years it has been a pain to watch him. I'm glad that he's finally hanging it up. i agree
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Post by Chainsaw on Sept 9, 2007 15:39:35 GMT -5
What sucks is, everyone thought he had a job with WWE for the rest of his life in some form, and with his current financial woes, I don't know if his leaving is a smart thing to do.
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Post by Big L on Sept 9, 2007 15:41:11 GMT -5
What sucks is, everyone thought he had a job with WWE for the rest of his life in some form, and with his current financial woes, I don't know if his leaving is a smart thing to do. well if he's having financial problems, them im sure he'll sign a legends contract or become a road agent
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Post by Chainsaw on Sept 9, 2007 15:44:22 GMT -5
What sucks is, everyone thought he had a job with WWE for the rest of his life in some form, and with his current financial woes, I don't know if his leaving is a smart thing to do. well if he's having financial problems, them im sure he'll sign a legends contract or become a road agent The sound of it is that he's left the company completely. Not retired from active competition. Left. And we all know how Vince loves it when people leave him flat-footed like this.
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Post by kawalimus on Sept 9, 2007 15:48:54 GMT -5
WWE shows again that philosophically they are in awful shape. "What, something good? SOmething different, something interesting? HELL NO WE CAN'T DO THAT!!"
Credibility? As has been mentioned, Flair is the dirtiest player in the game!!! He's made a career of winning many matches he shouldn't. Why that have to change?
But no, let's just keep trotting out same guys same lame old stories every week.
WWE needs philosophy change big time.
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Post by Big L on Sept 9, 2007 15:50:57 GMT -5
well if he's having financial problems, them im sure he'll sign a legends contract or become a road agent The sound of it is that he's left the company completely. Not retired from active competition. Left. And we all know how Vince loves it when people leave him flat-footed like this. wow ok.....but if he's having financial problems, then i wonder what else he could do to make money like he was probably making in the E
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Post by Dr. Marzvon Zombie M.D. on Sept 9, 2007 16:25:01 GMT -5
He could make a shitload of money doing legend conventions.
A book not put out by wwe
A shoot video would be one of the most sort after one of all time probably, could end up doing 3 of them easily.
Work for TNA
He has alot of diffrent things he could do not to mention i am sure he could do stuff outside of the biz
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Post by Michael Coello on Sept 9, 2007 16:27:26 GMT -5
He could make a crapload of money doing legend conventions. A book not put out by wwe A shoot video would be one of the most sort after one of all time probably, could end up doing 3 of them easily. Work for TNA He has alot of diffrent things he could do not to mention i am sure he could do stuff outside of the biz Plus, as mentioned before, he does have that finance business he's part of.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Sept 9, 2007 16:42:21 GMT -5
Flair could easily make well over $200,000 a year just travelling around and speaking at corporate luncheons. That's what a lot of retired NFL, NBA, MLB players and coaches do for the majority of their non-pension income. I realize that Flair's not a "real athlete", but there are millions of Ric Flair fans out there, especially businessmen aged 25-60. Corporate speaking gigs usually pay $5,000 a shot. He can't do that sort of stuff while he's on the road full-time with WWE, but he easily could now that he's free.
If Flair quits WWE, he's got a million options for income because he's Ric f***ing Flair. It's not like the guy's gonna be managing a Target.
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Post by PTBartman on Sept 9, 2007 16:53:30 GMT -5
Yeah, but that was partly what finished off WCW. I doubt Vince would let Flair go roughshod over everyone, a fluke win here and there wouldn't hurt at all. It's not like Flair's MO is to destroy people, he's just crafty and would do anything to win, whether it's brass knucks or feet on the ropes. But at this stage, Flair's been overexposed and been made to look like crap as he's jobbed to everyone from Rico to Kenny Dykstra and their careers didn't skyrocket afterwards, so his name doesn't mean a whole lot, so I could understand their concerns. But that's exactly why the angle is so good. credibility lost can be regained. The best story lines in life are about redemption. Take that story line almost as written add a few back stage talks with AA. Ric starts winning using every trick in the book across all three brands till somebody (trips? Vince? Shane? the Bastard?) tricks him into entering the rumble) Right before the rumble Vince (takes Ric aside and says): Ric give it up. Ric: I aint Quiting. Vince: Quit Ric if You don't win the rumble you're out any way. It's a loss Ric: I aint Quitting Vince: Then you better get out there cause I picked number one just for you Ric: I AINT Gonna Quit! Vince:You can forget it! You're out! Ric: Don't you do it! Don't! You... I got nowhere else to go! I got nowhere else to g... I got nothin' else. Naitch wins with the help of run ins by Windaham and AA and who knows who else. WM24 Flair vs Taker career vs streak Flair takes Taker to the limit but just falls short and Retires to a Managing/comentary/GM role the next night on RAW
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Post by boiledewokthe3rd on Sept 9, 2007 16:54:02 GMT -5
Has Jim Ross accused Flair of "boo boo facing" yet?
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Post by lildude8218 on Sept 9, 2007 17:14:31 GMT -5
I've got an angle for Flair. Keep him off of TV now with this whole "He's pissed and he quit" thing, especially with comments that Triple H may or may not have made. Then just have him show up on a Raw before Wrestlemania and challenge Triple H to a match at WM24. Flair says if he loses, he'll retire. He loses and retires since he was planning on winding down anyway.
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Post by casualobserver on Sept 9, 2007 17:24:05 GMT -5
Flair could easily make well over $200,000 a year just travelling around and speaking at corporate luncheons. That's what a lot of retired NFL, NBA, MLB players and coaches do for the majority of their non-pension income. I realize that Flair's not a "real athlete", but there are millions of Ric Flair fans out there, especially businessmen aged 25-60. Corporate speaking gigs usually pay $5,000 a shot. He can't do that sort of stuff while he's on the road full-time with WWE, but he easily could now that he's free. If Flair quits WWE, he's got a million options for income because he's Ric smurfing Flair. It's not like the guy's gonna be managing a Target. Exactly. He can do speaking engagements as well. I'm sure the guy has tons of interesting stories to tell and life lessons to pass on. Imagine if Ric Flair was the keynote speaker at your graduation.
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Post by hassanchop on Sept 9, 2007 17:37:43 GMT -5
source: www.pwmania.com/newsarticle.php?page=191383135Tom sent the following: Ric Flair was on local sports talk show Prime Time with The Packman this morning on WFNZ here in Charlotte. He said he will be opening a new business in Charlotte this week called Ric Flair Finance. Flair talked a little bit of football before the host asked him if he really quit WWE. Flair kinda laughed at it and said "No, it's not true." and asked what WWE would do without him. He didn't seem too sure of himself but he said he would talk more about everything next week on the same show. I don't know if this is legit.
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Post by boiledewokthe3rd on Sept 9, 2007 17:42:05 GMT -5
Ric Flair Finance! Who's his business partner? Paul Heyman?
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Post by CrazySting on Sept 9, 2007 17:58:45 GMT -5
Ric Flair Finance! Who's his business partner? Paul Heyman? Flair will tell you how to lose all your money on women, drugs, and partying.
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Post by John Oates' Moustache on Sept 9, 2007 18:06:43 GMT -5
Flair is the f***ing MAN. He's the greatest wrestler of all time. THere will be no one greater than him for a long long time.
That being said, as much as I despise HHH's past politics, it's true; Flair can't beat guys credibly anymore. He's simply been there so long his style is actually out of context in WWE now.
Go to TNA, Flair. They'll give you a world title run. After all, it'd be more credible than that mess they've got going over there now.
To be the man, you gotta be THE FLAVOR OF THE WEEK!
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Post by tankmcquade on Sept 9, 2007 18:12:47 GMT -5
Even if Flair retired, I gotta admit he would probably be back before we knew it. Dont get me wrong, I have always liked Flair and believe he really is a legend compared to Hogan and everyone else but if you read his book, this man is bad with finances.....really really bad. If he was smart and actually invested and saved wisely, he would have retired for real a long....long time ago.
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