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Post by biafra on Oct 26, 2007 14:19:27 GMT -5
You'd think Stephanie put an empty gun to a persons temple and pulled the trigger in order to scare away some hiccups. Do you think that would work? Part of me would like to one day try.. |
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Post by The OP on Oct 26, 2007 14:28:08 GMT -5
Well, next time one of your kids comes down with the hiccups, just remember that it's never too late to try something new.
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Post by Veladus Jobs To Dead Computers on Oct 26, 2007 15:20:53 GMT -5
How did the ref screw up? Looked to me like he handled it well. The knuckledragger has the authority to stop matches for a serious injury, and he didn't use it when someone landed on their head and was unresponsive. How much more serious can you get? She literally could have been dead. Someone in the original Candice thread even said he heard the ref tell Beth to do the stupidest move in the whole thing: drag Candice away from the ropes to pin her. They could have paralyzed or even killed her if her neck was broken which was a very real possibility. Regardless they both went with the whole "the show must go on" mentality. Which is fine for injuries to muscle or most bones, but it's not fine for a possible broken neck. A single match on RAW doesn't begin to compare to someone's life. If it did then we'd all still be singing Benoit's praises. |
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Post by Mr Ismaeal Naji on Oct 26, 2007 16:06:38 GMT -5
"steph is gonna kill you" in the samoa joe sing-song variation
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Post by themanwithnoname on Oct 26, 2007 19:29:32 GMT -5
It was stupid for two major reasons. First, obviously, choking. Second, the injury wasn't diagnosed yet and emergency surgery is always a possibility. You're not allowed to have food or drink for 12 (or is it 24? I forget) hours before surgery. The anesthesia they use can cause vomitting. But if you're unconscious, as you would be under anesthesia, you instead vomit into your lungs, suffocate and die. Not that your average Joe Shmoe is supposed to know that, but the medical personel should and if they were doing their job properly wouldn't have let Stephanie give her water in the first place. So yeah, epic fail on both parties. Of course, neither as bad as Beth Phoenix's "let me grab someone with a possibly broken neck by the head and drag them to the center of the ring" stunt. So any Steph hate needs to also carry over to the medical staff and needs to be doubled or tripled for Beth. Wow, that was weak. Stephanie was completely wrong, just admit it. |
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Post by Virt McGirt on Oct 26, 2007 20:29:26 GMT -5
I tried my damndest not to watch this, but I finally caved. As expected, my reaction went from shock, brief levity, then back to shock. (Guess I'm just a "female anatomy"  ) |
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Post by Veladus Jobs To Dead Computers on Oct 27, 2007 2:14:42 GMT -5
It was stupid for two major reasons. First, obviously, choking. Second, the injury wasn't diagnosed yet and emergency surgery is always a possibility. You're not allowed to have food or drink for 12 (or is it 24? I forget) hours before surgery. The anesthesia they use can cause vomitting. But if you're unconscious, as you would be under anesthesia, you instead vomit into your lungs, suffocate and die. Not that your average Joe Shmoe is supposed to know that, but the medical personel should and if they were doing their job properly wouldn't have let Stephanie give her water in the first place. So yeah, epic fail on both parties. Of course, neither as bad as Beth Phoenix's "let me grab someone with a possibly broken neck by the head and drag them to the center of the ring" stunt. So any Steph hate needs to also carry over to the medical staff and needs to be doubled or tripled for Beth. Wow, that was weak. Stephanie was completely wrong, just admit it. Did you... ya'know... read the post? Because I made it quite clear she was in the wrong. My point was that she wasn't the only one who did something stupid. |
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Post by Da (No Sold) 7-1-3 Itch on Oct 27, 2007 12:11:48 GMT -5
Unless you really analyze it thoroughly then you don't notice Stephanie's mishap, so that shows how great of a job Michael Cole's team is doing with the site
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Post by Boku AKA Da Green Guy on Oct 27, 2007 12:33:51 GMT -5
Wow, that was weak. Stephanie was completely wrong, just admit it. Did you... ya'know... read the post? Because I made it quite clear she was in the wrong. My point was that she wasn't the only one who did something stupid. Like others have mentioned... Nobody drinks while laying down flat on their back, otherwise you'd choke. As for the Beth lines, I think you're just looking for an axe to grind. If anything, she should be praised for staying to kayfabe. It's the only thing she could have done. |
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Post by Nice Guy Cody on Oct 27, 2007 13:23:02 GMT -5
Sadly, this thread really shows the IWC bias. Steph did something stupid, but it wasn't even in the same league as Beth or the referee's enormous screw up. It also shows the depths of apologism people will sink to for Stephanie. Was it a mistake? Obviously, she's not an evil person for it. But is she a saint, the way some people seem to be trying to paint her as, for doing it and ignoring/inhibiting the trained medical staff trying to do her job? Hell no, and certainly not to the extent to flip out and start trolling and calling people "dicks" over.  Shucks, if I didn't know any better I'd assume some people are so overzealous to stick it to the rest of the IWC, they're willing to martyrize Stephanie McMahon over ANYTHING. Why, the only thing this thread is missing is somebody randomly trying to turn it into an anti-CM Punk argument . . . How much you want to bet if CM Punk were the one to do this and were criticized for it the board would be up in arms "he was just trying to help!." OOPS. |
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Post by The OP on Oct 27, 2007 13:27:07 GMT -5
Oh, for cryin' out loud, nobody said Stephanie was "a saint". Why even say that?
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Post by Nice Guy Cody on Oct 27, 2007 13:28:57 GMT -5
Oh, for cryin' out loud, nobody said Stephanie was "a saint". Why even say that? It's called hyperbole. There were a couple of posts that were certainly trying to paint her as a hero. And hey, nobody was exactly calling her Lord Zedd for pouring the water, but here we are. |
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Post by biafra on Oct 27, 2007 13:30:13 GMT -5
Sadly, this thread really shows the IWC bias. Steph did something stupid, but it wasn't even in the same league as Beth or the referee's enormous screw up. It also shows the depths of apologism people will sink to for Stephanie. Was it a mistake? Obviously, she's not an evil person for it. But is she a saint, the way some people seem to be trying to paint her as, for doing it and ignoring/inhibiting the trained medical staff trying to do her job? Hell no, and certainly not to the extent to flip out and start trolling and calling people "dicks" over. Shucks, if I didn't know any better I'd assume some people are so overzealous to stick it to the rest of the IWC, they're willing to martyrize Stephanie McMahon over ANYTHING. Why, the only thing this thread is missing is somebody randomly trying to turn it into an anti-CM Punk argument . . . How much you want to bet if CM Punk were the one to do this and were criticized for it the board would be up in arms "he was just trying to help!." OOPS. What I said had NOTHING to do with being anti CM punk..my point was that if someone that was in favor with the IWC did the exact same thing it wouldnt be no where near as big the issue it is when it is a IWC villian. Which is true. |
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Post by The OP on Oct 27, 2007 13:33:10 GMT -5
Geez Biafra, will the diabolical depths of your apologism for Stephanie ever cease? Does your anti-CM Punk sentiment know no limits?
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Post by Nice Guy Cody on Oct 27, 2007 13:36:03 GMT -5
What I said had NOTHING to do with being anti CM punk..my point was that if someone that was in favor with the IWC did the exact same thing it wouldnt be no where near as big the issue it is when it is a IWC villian. My bad then. By anti-CM Punk I meant the whole "everybody on the whole IWC universally loves CM Punk/Other "percieved IWC favorite" and would totally make excuses for this person much in the same way I am if he had randomly been the one to do it instead" argument. For all those people that would make excuses for him, there'd be just as many persecuting him for it, just as in this case. In either case, it's just a stupid mistake and poor judgement in not complying with the EMTs whoever did it. No more no less. Geez Biafra, will the diabolical depths of your apologism for Stephanie ever cease? Does your anti-CM Punk sentiment know no limits? Hey, at least he didn't pull a Chris Crocker on the board. Funny how my was so horrible and unfair an exaggeration you had to bust out one of your own.  |
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Post by The OP on Oct 27, 2007 13:49:41 GMT -5
Well, Biafra is an evil man. So much so that God repeatedly punishes him with kidney stones.
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Post by Mattification on Oct 27, 2007 14:08:02 GMT -5
You can drink perfectly well while lying on your back. It`s just a bit awkward. It`s not gravity that`s pushing the water down your throat, it`s muscles. If it was, Astronauts wouldn`t do so well in space.
It`s hardly the act of a cold blooded killer to give someone water when they ask for it. It was a mistake. We all make them.
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Post by Veladus Jobs To Dead Computers on Oct 27, 2007 16:00:55 GMT -5
Did you... ya'know... read the post? Because I made it quite clear she was in the wrong. My point was that she wasn't the only one who did something stupid. Like others have mentioned... Nobody drinks while laying down flat on their back, otherwise you'd choke. As for the Beth lines, I think you're just looking for an axe to grind. If anything, she should be praised for staying to kayfabe. It's the only thing she could have done. 1. Yep. That would be why I said it was stupid of her. 2. .... HAHAHAHAHA! That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Do you have ANY understanding of the risk she took to "stay in kayfabe" on a single RAW match that half the audience was in the kitchen or bathroom for? Candice landed right on her head. It took full impact. She was then unresponsive. This is a major thing, since Mick Foley has only been legitimately knocked out once in his career and the man's wrestled on bombs. Still, Beth drug her away from the ropes, taking a VERY serious risk of severing the spinal cord (which is extremely sensitive) with the pieces of jagged bone, either paralyzing Candice for life or flat out killing her. I said it once, and I'll say it again. "The show must go on" is not for broken necks. If you think it is, you don't understand the severity of a broken neck. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2007 16:10:06 GMT -5
Like others have mentioned... Nobody drinks while laying down flat on their back, otherwise you'd choke. As for the Beth lines, I think you're just looking for an axe to grind. If anything, she should be praised for staying to kayfabe. It's the only thing she could have done. 1. Yep. That would be why I said it was stupid of her. 2. .... HAHAHAHAHA! That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Do you have ANY understanding of the risk she took to "stay in kayfabe" on a single RAW match that half the audience was in the kitchen or bathroom for? Candice landed right on her head. It took full impact. She was then unresponsive. This is a major thing, since Mick Foley has only been legitimately knocked out once in his career and the man's wrestled on bombs. Still, Beth drug her away from the ropes, taking a VERY serious risk of severing the spinal cord (which is extremely sensitive) with the pieces of jagged bone, either paralyzing Candice for life or flat out killing her. I said it once, and I'll say it again. "The show must go on" is not for broken necks. If you think it is, you don't understand the severity of a broken neck. Yeah. Beth certainly should've been more careful. I know she's supposed to be physically dominating and whatnot, but she could've rolled her up, hooking the tights but holding her up at the same time, just like what happened in the Women's championship match where Mickie slipped and fell on her own head. Quickly would've ended this match and would've been much safer. (And personally, I think this shows that Beth is still rather green. I don't care if she can do power moves that other women can't do. She's huge for a woman there, that should be no surprise. She really showed me that she's not ready to be a champion by making such an obvious and horrible mistake.) |
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Post by Legion on Oct 27, 2007 17:04:33 GMT -5
How is this Beth's fault at all?
The ref surely was to blame if anyone for not stopping the match or telling Beth to leave off the head. I always assumed that was what they were meant to do.
To attack Beth is just silly, she wasn't to know Candice had broken anything if the ref wasnt letting telling her anything or even more so, if Candice wasn't telling the ref she was hurt or what have you.
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