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I've never had a problem with what Holly and JBL do and don't have any problem with this.

There's certain codes in sports. In hockey if you go take liberty's on the star player. They send out the token goon to kick your ass.

In baseball if you crowd the plate too much, the pitcher will deliberately hit you.

If Masters, Syvan Grenier and Blue Meanie want to act like jackasses and aren't in a position to defend themselves then serve them right.

[Just "Dan" is Fine, Thank You]

brentreznor said:

I've never had a problem with what Holly and JBL do and don't have any problem with this.

There's certain codes in sports. In hockey if you go take liberty's on the star player. They send out the token goon to kick your ass.

In baseball if you crowd the plate too much, the pitcher will deliberately hit you.

If Masters, Syvan Grenier and Blue Meanie want to act like jackasses and aren't in a position to defend themselves then serve them right.

This isn't a sport.

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dmargul said:

brentreznor said:

I've never had a problem with what Holly and JBL do and don't have any problem with this.

There's certain codes in sports. In hockey if you go take liberty's on the star player. They send out the token goon to kick your ass.

In baseball if you crowd the plate too much, the pitcher will deliberately hit you.

If Masters, Syvan Grenier and Blue Meanie want to act like jackasses and aren't in a position to defend themselves then serve them right.

This isn't a sport.

I know. But it has the same elements of a sport.

And also can we stop using the term "Bully". It's not like Masters is in 3rd grade and Undertaker gave him a wedgie. They're two grown ass men.

[Ace Diamond]

dmargul said:

brentreznor said:

I've never had a problem with what Holly and JBL do and don't have any problem with this.

There's certain codes in sports. In hockey if you go take liberty's on the star player. They send out the token goon to kick your ass.

In baseball if you crowd the plate too much, the pitcher will deliberately hit you.

If Masters, Syvan Grenier and Blue Meanie want to act like jackasses and aren't in a position to defend themselves then serve them right.

This isn't a sport.

According to Congress it is.

[thesunbeast]

If the match is going to suck due to someone's no-selling, then unfortunately, I guess the match is going to suck. You should take out all your agressions once you get to the back, and protect your opponent in the ring.

IT was only a few arm shots in the beginning of the match, It's not like he no-sold the chokeslam. Masters would have only been able to say, "ow, my arm hurts temporarely", and would have had to stop selling it at some point anyway. Not selling the arm right after getting it worked on ruins the flow of the match though, so that was probably 'Taker's beef.

[Seth Drakin of Monster Crap]

The Moral Of This Story Is......When Undertaker Tells You To Sell Something......Sell It, Dammit.

[A Dubya (El Hombre Muerto)]

wordlifevolutionv1 said:

joeman said:

It is presumption, like Michelle McCool having sex with the Undertaker.

Well when she was asked she said "and what if I am?" and that kinda implies um yes she is.

Kind of ironic to me, since she's 'loving life'. Sounds like the exact opposite is true.

[Mozenrath]

thepeopleselbow said:

Well, in all fairness, this IS wrestling. And one of the biggest elements is selling. Masters was making Taker look stupid by no-selling. It's a blatant sign of disrespect, especially towards someone who's been with the company for almost 20 years.

On a house show? No dice.

Taker should apologize. I certainly hope that was an accident, or he needs to rethink what he's still doing around.

[Big Daddy]

jma said:

Lesnar was provoked by Holly and responded in kind. Holly got what he deserved.

More wrestlers need to fight back when bullies assault them. Even if they get their asses kicked, they likely won't be messed with again.

That is the only way to stand up to a bully a kick his butt.

[phenomphan]

I'm sure a lot of this was exaggerated, but good for Taker anyway. And if this whole story is true no one's going to do anything to Taker. He's probably the most powerful guy in WWE not in the McMahon family.

[Red 'n' Black Reggie]

i think they were both in the wrong. while no-selling (arguably) the biggest star on the show is pretty stupid and umprofessional, what undertaker did can't be excused either. breaking someone's arm (?) and beating the crap out of their face is hardly a good example to set to the lockerroom, considering he's apparently this "leader" figure that evryone makes him out to be. if that i was undie, i would've just given him a few nasty chops and maybe bite him on the nads when going for a powerbomb, then had a few words backstage.

[Andrew is Good]

It was a bit ridiculous to go that crazy on the guy, but Masters deserved some beating for no selling The Undertaker of all people.

[Shiori C: WC Blue Moon Poster]

Personally I think shouting "sell the arm, dumbass" across the ring when you're playing a near-silent undead zombie is less professional than stiffing someone, because at least if you're wrestling, you're going to be hitting each other, whereas there'd be no reason for Undertaker's character to shout instructions across the ring to his opponent.

Anyway I thought Masters had hurt his arm in a match against Palumbo, not during this match?

[Joekishi]

dmargul said:

brentreznor said:

I've never had a problem with what Holly and JBL do and don't have any problem with this.

There's certain codes in sports. In hockey if you go take liberty's on the star player. They send out the token goon to kick your ass.

In baseball if you crowd the plate too much, the pitcher will deliberately hit you.

If Masters, Syvan Grenier and Blue Meanie want to act like jackasses and aren't in a position to defend themselves then serve them right.

This isn't a sport.

No but this is a tough business where you have to put your asses on the line and they need to weed out the jackasses from the guys who are there to work.

I support things like this because wrestling is a lot like a fraternity. you gotta weed out the jackasses.

I really think Teddy Hart needs matches with New Jack

[Johnny Danger (Godz)]

brentreznor said:

I've never had a problem with what Holly and JBL do and don't have any problem with this.

There's certain codes in sports. In hockey if you go take liberty's on the star player. They send out the token goon to kick your ass.

In baseball if you crowd the plate too much, the pitcher will deliberately hit you.

If Masters, Syvan Grenier and Blue Meanie want to act like jackasses and aren't in a position to defend themselves then serve them right.

Except Meanie didn't act like a jackass. He called JBL a bully in interviews, and JBL beat the s*** out of him from behind, sucker punching him and busting open his already-stapled head.

I like JBL, but still, that was BS on his part.

[Bret Hart Rules]

Ok, I've read through about 6 or so pages and I haven't noticed this yet but who is the Undertaker to say anything about selling when he no sells just about EVERYTHING. Take when he had a "broken hand" against Lesnar in the Hell in a Cell. He continued to punch with it over and over occasionally stopping to say "ow" and shake it a bit. It's understandable to ignore things every now and again like when someone gets their arm worked over but they can still use it to execute irish whip and what not but his hand was supposed to be broken, not slightly hurt.

His range of selling ability is lame so he should be the last to comment on anything to do with it let alone take liberties against people.

[Hassan bin Sober]

Undertaker yelling for Masters to sell his arm killed kayfabe more than Masters not selling it in the first place.

How can you be mad that Masters isn't making the match seem real if you're going to yell out the fact so everyone can hear it? Undertaker may as well of just screamed out, "Wrestling is fake!"

[plushtar]

basicboogeynomix said:

dmargul said:

This isn't a sport.

No but this is a tough business where you have to put your asses on the line and they need to weed out the jackasses from the guys who are there to work.

I support things like this because wrestling is a lot like a fraternity. you gotta weed out the jackasses.

I really think Teddy Hart needs matches with New Jack

Someone like New Jack goes too far. I would say that we need a army of Stu Hart clones to at least act as the people who discipline jackasses like Teddy Hart. I feel OVW should have called down Finlay, Holly, and JBL to humble (given that JBL is there all things are possible) Teddy Hart and others like him.

[Mr. Mediocre]

brethartrules said:

Ok, I've read through about 6 or so pages and I haven't noticed this yet but who is the Undertaker to say anything about selling when he no sells just about EVERYTHING. Take when he had a "broken hand" against Lesnar in the Hell in a Cell. He continued to punch with it over and over occasionally stopping to say "ow" and shake it a bit. It's understandable to ignore things every now and again like when someone gets their arm worked over but they can still use it to execute irish whip and what not but his hand was supposed to be broken, not slightly hurt.

His range of selling ability is lame so he should be the last to comment on anything to do with it let alone take liberties against people.

He actually can sell, and quite well. But when his character is that of an undead zombie, you sort of have to no-sell. If you watch his American Badass era stuff, you can see that Taker can and does sell like a champ when his character isn't that of a dead man.

[Bret Hart Rules]

explodinglimo said:

brethartrules said:

Ok, I've read through about 6 or so pages and I haven't noticed this yet but who is the Undertaker to say anything about selling when he no sells just about EVERYTHING. Take when he had a "broken hand" against Lesnar in the Hell in a Cell. He continued to punch with it over and over occasionally stopping to say "ow" and shake it a bit. It's understandable to ignore things every now and again like when someone gets their arm worked over but they can still use it to execute irish whip and what not but his hand was supposed to be broken, not slightly hurt.

His range of selling ability is lame so he should be the last to comment on anything to do with it let alone take liberties against people.

He actually can sell, and quite well. But when his character is that of an undead zombie, you sort of have to no-sell. If you watch his American Badass era stuff, you can see that Taker can and does sell like a champ when his character isn't that of a dead man.

His undead zombie phase ended pretty much when Paul Bearer turned on him at SummerSlam 96 and he was taken away by the druids as he no longer had "the power of the urn". And I don't call him being put in a move like a armbar and going "ouch" every now and again good selling. I realise a lot of guys do pretty much the same but my whole point was that he shouldn't be harping on about selling when he's no master of it.