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Post by acressl on Nov 18, 2007 20:20:24 GMT -5
She's good, I just can't hack it. I've no love for ones built like her. She's even a good looking woman (unlike most other Amazon types) and it doesn't matter. My problems with her are purely cosmetic. Strange though as I love women's wrestling yet hate the physique that would allow the ladies to do more impressive moves and such.
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Post by Sephiroth on Nov 18, 2007 20:25:46 GMT -5
yea, its more a question of "whats wrong with the WWE womens division?" they arent booked as wrestlers so much as playboy models in waiting, as someone else put it. so why should anyone really care what they do in a ring. they are all booked as sexy and hot. is every male character booked the same way? why would it make sense to book every woman that way. if they really cared about them being seen as credible wrestlers, they wouldnt. You know, something I have been wondering lately is why WWE doesn't put on MORE women's matches. As hard as that may be to conceive, they have one of the strongest women's rosters in their history. There are more women working for WWE at this moment than there were in any given time since the early 80's. Enough that they could put on two or three women's matches in a single card. But, the women are treated as little more than a gimmick to get some cheap, horny teenager pops. I actually would prefer see women like Beth be the norm, instead of the unstoppable monsters of the women's division.
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Post by Jiren on Nov 18, 2007 20:26:38 GMT -5
Her only feud was Candice
Maybe give her a Feud with Mickie and maybe things will change
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2007 20:35:51 GMT -5
A number of things:
-Her charisma is limited. -Her personality is limited. -Her mic skills are limited. -Her gimmick name is overused to an insane degree. -Her music offsets everything. -She won a feud with an opponent who got no reaction after she won the title from an over opponent that beat the most popular woman in the division for the belt. -Her "look" doesn't get the job done with most fans. -She has no reason to be booed, and no reason to be cheered. She isn't psychotic like Victoria, she isn't conniving like Melina, she isn't "annoying" like Jillian. She isn't bouncy like Mickie, she isn't cute like Maria, etc. She's got nothing in that respect.
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Post by Lenny: Smooth like Keith Stone on Nov 18, 2007 21:42:19 GMT -5
Beth actually has a lot of charisma and personality, but the problem that I'll totally admit to is that she hardly shows it in WWE. Almost like WWE has given her a very strict script to read and told her exactly which mannerisms to use and all that.
I think one of the biggest things hindering Beth from getting over is a lack of competition. Think about it -- her gimmick is that she destroys the other women. OK, so she killed Maria. She killed Candice. The problem is, that isn't saying much. I seriously doubt anyone said "Holy crap, did you see the way she manhandled Maria? How could anyone lay such a beating on MARIA??" Now if Beth was in TNA and laid out Awesome Kong or something, I think a lot more people would stop and notice.
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Post by Dick Foley on Nov 18, 2007 23:16:35 GMT -5
Beth just needs to color her hair. Heels aren't supposed to be blonde, duh!
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Post by Timmy8271 on Nov 18, 2007 23:28:59 GMT -5
It's the same thing I have a problem with Awesome Kong with, the over the top facial expressions. I thought her best match was on Smackdown this past week. Victoria and her have good chemistry together.
Edit: Oh and she doesn't have the backside that Fabi Apache has. Fabi> All.
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Post by D2: Sweet & Sour Edition on Nov 18, 2007 23:30:58 GMT -5
She should be a lawer.
Beth Phoenix: Ace Attourney
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Nov 18, 2007 23:32:18 GMT -5
Edit: Oh and she doesn't have the backside that Fabi Apache has. Fabi> All. You have my support in this.
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Post by Real Folk Bruce on Nov 19, 2007 0:36:11 GMT -5
In ANY division in any promotion,the faces must be strong to enough to support and the heels must be shown to be equally strong or in some cases stronger to be considered a threat.
The problem with Beth,is that she is beating the tar out of the very un-threatening plastic divas of whom the fans have little or no reason to support. Beths personality and motives aren't clear and nobody cares about the girls she beats up,thus nobody cares who she beats up neither do they care about Beth.
It works with Kong,because their is a face who is considered to be on her level,Gail Kim.Thus it is possible for her to take the belt from Kim,but it is just as likely that Kong will lose.
One of the greatest illusion of wrestling is the idea that either side could win,even though one side will ultimately prevail.
Beth has no equal,so no one buys her as a threat,and everyone else is shown as being weak or inferior,so they aren't worth supporting.
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Post by RickMarx on Nov 19, 2007 6:37:11 GMT -5
Since when is the talentless Gail Kim on the level of Kong? She's already been destroyed by Kong on TV. The only reason to give Kim the belt is seniority. Kong is different from Beth only in that's she's a much better worker, and carries off her role much better in a fed that recognizes her past. Earlier this year, there was talk about her being in the NWA title tourney, and some took her pretty seriously. TNA needs Christi Ricci badly when the time comes to bring Kong down a peg. She's the only woman I know who has some sort of size advantage.
To fix Beth? Easy. Have her lose to Mickie. Beth then destroys Mickie after the match, Mickie has to forfeit the belt back to Beth the next week due to the injuries. Fans hate nothing more then to be denied a match. Of course that would require the E the push more than one baby diva at a time, and they don't have enough sense to do that.
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Post by Kae on Nov 19, 2007 6:52:27 GMT -5
Kong's definitely a better wrestler than Kim.
Kim can put on some good matches, though. She's certainly better in the ring than most of the WWE's roster. She's athletic and has a decent moveset, especially when it comes to high-flying moves. I'd rather watch a match with her than with Kelly Kelly or Maria any day.
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Post by Squirrel Master on Nov 19, 2007 8:21:51 GMT -5
Beth debuted with such promise and then was injured... I expected great things and after her recovery, boy has she delivered. Beth Phoenix's dilemma is that she's so obviously at the head of the class. I love the way she struts to the ring, she knows she's all that and when she holds the title belt over her head it looks so natural and so right. This girl kicks ass, and I enjoy her promos. I for one hope The Glamazon reigns for a long time.
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Post by Mecca on Nov 19, 2007 10:02:54 GMT -5
It's real simple, no one in America gives a rats ass about womens wrestling. I shouldn't say no one actually but the majority of people don't, especially the casual WWE mark. A heavily male mark crowd doesn't give a crap if a woman can wrestle, they care if they think she's hot, if they'd bang her and if her boob is falling out.
Go to a show look around it won't take long to find signs like "Beth Phoenix jaw uses HGH" unless you have a very cookie cutter esq type of look male wrestling fans will right away go to"OMG it's a man!" The only way to make the fans who are watching this product care about a female wrestler is A she's good looking and they want to bang her.....or B her character becomes popular, like Chyna in DX, she got over by association then ended up holding it with the crowd.
They'll also never book a womens division seriously because it doesn't sell, most people go piss and to the concession stand when the womens match is on, it's true.
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Post by krazysane on Nov 19, 2007 11:14:48 GMT -5
wow. no one sold my post. Doesnt anyone remember the old wwf magazines?
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 19, 2007 11:17:56 GMT -5
wow. no one sold my post. Doesnt anyone remember the old wwf magazines? What was it about?
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Post by krazysane on Nov 19, 2007 11:37:13 GMT -5
wow. no one sold my post. Doesnt anyone remember the old wwf magazines? What was it about? I know why people dont like Beth. She is married to Scoop Sullivan!
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Post by fabulousfreebird on Nov 19, 2007 11:45:00 GMT -5
I think she'd be able to move around better if she got that salami between her lags sliced off.WOOOOOOOOO!!!!
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Post by KEJB on Nov 19, 2007 12:41:00 GMT -5
I think she is entertaining. She is one of maybe a couple women wrestler who matches I will actually watch.
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Post by AriadosMan on Nov 19, 2007 13:23:25 GMT -5
Her music. It sounds like 80s technoporn and doesn't create the feeling of menace that someone as dominant as "The Glamazon" is supposed to have. She needs slower, darker music to suit her destructive character IMHO.
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