What is wrong with Beth?

[Bones58]

realfakerazor said:

Her music. It sounds like 80s technoporn and doesn't create the feeling of menace that someone as dominant as "The Glamazon" is supposed to have. She needs slower, darker music to suit her destructive character IMHO.

I agree it doesn't suit her character, but it's one of the best themes the WWE have produced in a while IMO.

[plushtar]

realfakerazor said:

Her music. It sounds like 80s technoporn and doesn't create the feeling of menace that someone as dominant as "The Glamazon" is supposed to have. She needs slower, darker music to suit her destructive character IMHO.

I'm thinking of one of three things:

Snitsky's theme
Demolition's theme (as they were being phased out)
Sycho Sid's theme

I totally agree that Beth has no credible opponents, unlike Kong who has women who are promoted as wrestlers (and models second). Plus, Kong looks scarier than Beth and has that nasty looking torture rack; if Beth would make Mickie kick the back of her own head, fans would hate her (as a heel).

As for her music, I still say it sounds a bit like Bon Jovi's Runaway and Tom Petty's Don't Do Me Like That.

[AriadosMan]

bones58 said:

I agree it doesn't suit her character, but it's one of the best themes the WWE have produced in a while IMO.

I actually think Beth's current theme would suit Candice more than Beth. It sounds more happy and energetic, like Candice. It doesn't suit somebody who's a mean heel that likes to beat people up.

Mjolnir's suggestions would make good Beth themes.

[Branimal]

I didn't care for her at first.

Latley..I'm starting to appreciate her.

[Avalanche Alvarez]

sephiroth said:

I have actually become a mark for Beth Phoenix. I find her to be a pleasant breath of fresh air compared to the rest of the women in the WWE right now. However, it is clear that a lot of people do not agree with me. She receives little, if any, reaction from the crowds. She does not seem to have gotten over at all as a heel. So just what is wrong with her?

The only flaw I can find is that Beth is rather bland on the microphone. Her ring skills are solid, but she just does not have the kind of charisma to really get under the fan's skin and make them boo her. Though, I might add that the constant repeating of the phrase "glamazon" has probably not helped her popularity at all.

I'll also say that I think the character she has been pushed as is kind of bland. A beautiful woman who kicks ass is something that has already been played over a thousand times. She really needs some unique twist to help set her apart.

Anyone else got any ideas of what is keeping her from getting over, or whats more, ideas for how to change it?

Because she's not buoyant and bubbly like the other Divas.
But that's okay, because she's not supposed to be.
If she went face, she'd get a bigger reaction, but she shouldn't have to do that just yet.

[britishbulldog]

I so was hoping for her and Victoria to turn on each other. That is a match I would like to see

[salTy]

*Sigh*

I'd hit it.

[Maxnificent]

realfakerazor said:

bones58 said:

I agree it doesn't suit her character, but it's one of the best themes the WWE have produced in a while IMO.

I actually think Beth's current theme would suit Candice more than Beth. It sounds more happy and energetic, like Candice. It doesn't suit somebody who's a mean heel that likes to beat people up.

Mjolnir's suggestions would make good Beth themes.

It's a mythical and heavenly theme to match he character, whom claims to be the perfect woman, more or less.

[Mozenrath]

I think Beth's song sounds way more like Bret Hart's than the other themes people have brought up.

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

Wasn't she brought in (as a face, mind you) initially to feud with (heel at the time) Mickie James? For God sakes I can't be the only one to remember that.

[Mozenrath]

duffless89 said:

Wasn't she brought in (as a face, mind you) initially to feud with (heel at the time) Mickie James? For God sakes I can't be the only one to remember that.

She was, but she got injured.

[wrestlecrapcrap]

maxnificent said:

realfakerazor said:

I actually think Beth's current theme would suit Candice more than Beth. It sounds more happy and energetic, like Candice. It doesn't suit somebody who's a mean heel that likes to beat people up.

Mjolnir's suggestions would make good Beth themes.

It's a mythical and heavenly theme to match he character, whom claims to be the perfect woman, more or less.

Finally, I can't believe more people didn't get that!

[Mozenrath]

wrestlecrapcrap said:

maxnificent said:

It's a mythical and heavenly theme to match he character, whom claims to be the perfect woman, more or less.

Finally, I can't believe more people didn't get that!

Kinda like Mr. Perfect, yes? I can totally get behind that.

Now, commentary needs to put that fact over.

[Tapout]

I like her Women's Champ music.

I also think it suits her just fine as a champ who carries herself like some kind of royalty by going so far as to wear a little tiara. Almost like some kind of...glamazon.

I think what puts people off is her voice is a little too high and squeaky to sound like a menacing monster heel, but her delivery on the stick is actually pretty OK, I guess she just needs to maybe work on slowing things down a bit and possibly making her voice sound slightly fake-deeper.

I'm not sure I like how Lawler and JR react to her (they act like she's really distasteful to look at, though in Lawler's case, you can guess why). I think it's fine that they put her over as being a monster, but it's like they have no sympathy for her or even regard her as a person. That may sound like it fits the character but it kind of distances them from her character and makes her a lot less sympathetic to the crowds as either a face or a heel. They could try to ascribe her some emotions to help the marks connect with her, like speculating about why she comes out and destroys people (like how she squashed Kelly on Halloween). Giving her motivations would make her seem more real and easier to relate to. It might also make her seem like less of a monster but it'll also make her seem a lot less distant.

I think one of Beth's real problems is the same one Eddy had when he got the title and the whole SD roster thinned out in a hurry. There's no competition at her level. Molly's gone, Victoria's on another show, Mickie is, what, either part of the Cadeoch story or wrestling on Heat? Even Trish is gone. If Beth had been around during the last great "diva" era, around 2003-2004-ish when Jazz, Molly, Victoria, and Trish were all around (and Trish was actually starting to work a decent match), that would've been a great time for her.

For those who think Beth isn't much to look at, not that it really matters, look up some of her old OVW stuff. However, if you're just looking for attractive women to ogle, and you're on the internet, you don't need to wait until Mondays. Just saying.

[wolfmoon103100]

uwfcirca1986 said:

Beth debuted with such promise and then was injured...
I expected great things and after her recovery, boy has she delivered.

Beth Phoenix's dilemma is that she's so obviously at the head of the class.

I love the way she struts to the ring, she knows she's all that and when she holds the title belt over her head it looks so natural and so right. This girl kicks ass, and I enjoy her promos.

I for one hope The Glamazon reigns for a long time.

here,here

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tapout said:

I like her Women's Champ music.

I also think it suits her just fine as a champ who carries herself like some kind of royalty by going so far as to wear a little tiara. Almost like some kind of...glamazon.

I think what puts people off is her voice is a little too high and squeaky to sound like a menacing monster heel, but her delivery on the stick is actually pretty OK, I guess she just needs to maybe work on slowing things down a bit and possibly making her voice sound slightly fake-deeper.

I'm not sure I like how Lawler and JR react to her (they act like she's really distasteful to look at, though in Lawler's case, you can guess why). I think it's fine that they put her over as being a monster, but it's like they have no sympathy for her or even regard her as a person. That may sound like it fits the character but it kind of distances them from her character and makes her a lot less sympathetic to the crowds as either a face or a heel. They could try to ascribe her some emotions to help the marks connect with her, like speculating about why she comes out and destroys people (like how she squashed Kelly on Halloween). Giving her motivations would make her seem more real and easier to relate to. It might also make her seem like less of a monster but it'll also make her seem a lot less distant.

I think one of Beth's real problems is the same one Eddy had when he got the title and the whole SD roster thinned out in a hurry. There's no competition at her level. Molly's gone, Victoria's on another show, Mickie is, what, either part of the Cadeoch story or wrestling on Heat? Even Trish is gone. If Beth had been around during the last great "diva" era, around 2003-2004-ish when Jazz, Molly, Victoria, and Trish were all around (and Trish was actually starting to work a decent match), that would've been a great time for her.

For those who think Beth isn't much to look at, not that it really matters, look up some of her old OVW stuff. However, if you're just looking for attractive women to ogle, and you're on the internet, you don't need to wait until Mondays. Just saying.

There's plenty of talented wrestlers she can feud with. Mickie James, Jillian Hall, Melina. That's just on RAW. You could bring Victoria over. That's four different effective possibilties, and that, IMO, is hardly the problem. Otherwise I agree.

[Jiren]

they should sort some of them out

All of the good women wrestlers (Apart from Mickie) are Heels.

- Jillian
- Melina
- Victoria

Make beth a tweener and have her fight both Face & Heel then it'll put over her dominance a bit more.

Another thing they could do is hire more women WRESTLERS!!!!!!, but this is WWE we're talking about

[lasresortman]

If they want her as heel have her destroy a diva after the match the way Finley beat Mysterio

[Hiroshi Hase]

lasresortman said:

If they want her as heel have her destroy a diva after the match the way Finley beat Mysterio

Still wouldn't work. Fans wouldn't give a crap, and she wouldn't get heel heat unless she stopped a bikini contest or bra&panties match.

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yjc1019 said:

lasresortman said:

If they want her as heel have her destroy a diva after the match the way Finley beat Mysterio

Still wouldn't work. Fans wouldn't give a crap, and she wouldn't get heel heat unless she stopped a bikini contest or bra&panties match.

its sad that it would come to that