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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Nov 23, 2007 11:14:15 GMT -5
I'd say 1 month on his recovery. That would be plenty sensible, because you're looking at about a week or two in the hospital to get the toxins out of his system, plus healing time for the scar. I'd say that considering his history of recurring MRSA infections, 2-3 is much more sensible for a full time return. It's not outside the possibility that he still has some Staph encapsulated in dead cells (a common means of avoiding the immune system) hiding within his system. There is a reason that post-surgical infections are a real concern. Firstly, your immune system is overtaxed (especially in the instance of an appendix bursting), making infections progress more quickly. Secondly, you are on so many powerful antibiotics that a MRSA (which is unaffected by most antibiotics) will not have to face much competition from other infectious agents nor will it have to compete with your normal biota (which will take a pounding from the antibiotics as well). It's the sort of thing that makes me furious that the powers that be in the government in decades past refused to fund any research that dealt with developing bacteriaphage treatment (not a political statement, since it does get some funding now). It worked wonders a few times before the discovery of penicillin, and recently has been proving to be capable of being a potent tool now. Unlike antibiotics, bacteriaphages (viruses that attack only specific bacterias) mutate right along with their targets in order to beat resistance (actually, viruses mutate even faster than bacteria, so the bacteria can never truly outpace the viruses).
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Post by Matt Rogers on Nov 23, 2007 11:15:37 GMT -5
I'd say 1 month on his recovery. That would be plenty sensible, because you're looking at about a week or two in the hospital to get the toxins out of his system, plus healing time for the scar. I'd say that considering his history of recurring MRSA infections, 2-3 is much more sensible for a full time return. It's not outside the possibility that he still has some Staph encapsulated in dead cells (a common means of avoiding the immune system) hiding within his system. There is a reason that post-surgical infections are a real concern. Firstly, your immune system is overtaxed (especially in the instance of an appendix bursting), making infections progress more quickly. Secondly, you are on so many powerful antibiotics that a MRSA (which is unaffected by most antibiotics) will not have to face much competition from other infectious agents nor will it have to compete with your normal biota (which will take a pounding from the antibiotics as well). It's the sort of thing that makes me furious that the powers that be in the government in decades past refused to fund any research that dealt with developing bacteriaphage treatment (not a political statement, since it does get some funding now). It worked wonders a few times before the discovery of penicillin, and recently has been proving to be capable of being a potent tool now. Unlike antibiotics, bacteriaphages (viruses that attack only specific bacterias) mutate right along with their targets in order to beat resistance (actually, viruses mutate even faster than bacteria, so the bacteria can never truly outpace the viruses). So the Dr. T thing is serious then.
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Post by Avalanche Alvarez on Nov 23, 2007 11:23:17 GMT -5
Why do we have an appendix? What is the point of having an organ who's only function is to burst and suddenly kill me? I don't think it intentionally is meant to burst. It's just one of those "rolls of the dice" with our organs. Kinda like my stomach when I eat tex-mex. Yipes.
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Post by Si on Nov 23, 2007 12:08:08 GMT -5
I could make a tasteless joke about his whole WILL NOT DIE catchphrase but dang, during his biggest singles push as well. Hopefully he'll get his rematch sometime after he returns.
I think Jeff & MVP should have a feud even if it's only filler until Matt returns, plus the fact they are IC/US champs adds a whole another level to the feud as to which brand has the better champ.
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Post by rubber johnny on Nov 23, 2007 12:15:53 GMT -5
poor fella
he's always got something wrong with him
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Nov 23, 2007 13:30:11 GMT -5
I'd say 1 month on his recovery. That would be plenty sensible, because you're looking at about a week or two in the hospital to get the toxins out of his system, plus healing time for the scar. I'd say that considering his history of recurring MRSA infections, 2-3 is much more sensible for a full time return. It's not outside the possibility that he still has some Staph encapsulated in dead cells (a common means of avoiding the immune system) hiding within his system. There is a reason that post-surgical infections are a real concern. Firstly, your immune system is overtaxed (especially in the instance of an appendix bursting), making infections progress more quickly. Secondly, you are on so many powerful antibiotics that a MRSA (which is unaffected by most antibiotics) will not have to face much competition from other infectious agents nor will it have to compete with your normal biota (which will take a pounding from the antibiotics as well). It's the sort of thing that makes me furious that the powers that be in the government in decades past refused to fund any research that dealt with developing bacteriaphage treatment (not a political statement, since it does get some funding now). It worked wonders a few times before the discovery of penicillin, and recently has been proving to be capable of being a potent tool now. Unlike antibiotics, bacteriaphages (viruses that attack only specific bacterias) mutate right along with their targets in order to beat resistance (actually, viruses mutate even faster than bacteria, so the bacteria can never truly outpace the viruses). Not to turn this into a Biology discussion, but I thought we didn't really know much about viruses until after the discovery of penicillin. However, I do like the idea of engineering a bacteriophage. We'd just have to be able to find a way control its mutation, so it doesn't start going after healthy cells.
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Post by Joekishi on Nov 23, 2007 13:51:34 GMT -5
He's also got history of staph infections.
with that super bug going around..
yeah i think it's smart for matt to stay out. we don't want something bad.
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Post by Bobafett on Nov 23, 2007 14:22:05 GMT -5
An appendix is something that has relevace to herbivores..but cos humans eat both meat and veg..we have it but its no use
better not tell the misuss or she'll be on the first plane to North Carolina with the biggest bag of grapes ever
I was lucky with my appendix as it burst just as they cut it out
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Nov 23, 2007 23:53:36 GMT -5
I'd say that considering his history of recurring MRSA infections, 2-3 is much more sensible for a full time return. It's not outside the possibility that he still has some Staph encapsulated in dead cells (a common means of avoiding the immune system) hiding within his system. There is a reason that post-surgical infections are a real concern. Firstly, your immune system is overtaxed (especially in the instance of an appendix bursting), making infections progress more quickly. Secondly, you are on so many powerful antibiotics that a MRSA (which is unaffected by most antibiotics) will not have to face much competition from other infectious agents nor will it have to compete with your normal biota (which will take a pounding from the antibiotics as well). It's the sort of thing that makes me furious that the powers that be in the government in decades past refused to fund any research that dealt with developing bacteriaphage treatment (not a political statement, since it does get some funding now). It worked wonders a few times before the discovery of penicillin, and recently has been proving to be capable of being a potent tool now. Unlike antibiotics, bacteriaphages (viruses that attack only specific bacterias) mutate right along with their targets in order to beat resistance (actually, viruses mutate even faster than bacteria, so the bacteria can never truly outpace the viruses). Not to turn this into a Biology discussion, but I thought we didn't really know much about viruses until after the discovery of penicillin. However, I do like the idea of engineering a bacteriophage. We'd just have to be able to find a way control its mutation, so it doesn't start going after healthy cells. Nope. Viruses were confirmed to exist about 30-35 years before penicillin was discovered (and theorized well before that). Also, the guy that discovered penicillin honestly did not have the intellect to fully appreciate what he had accidentally found (he discovered it because of poor lab practice, not through any truly scientific search for it). He was using it as an identifying factor, which was of decent value in and of itself, but it took a colleague who was later ignored to point out the true value of the discovery. What this meant was that while penicillin was not being used for medical purposes some researchers had discovered that there were viruses that only attacked bacteria. Not only that, but it could clear out what would normally be fatal septicemia in as little as 12 hours. It really is unfortunate that post-WWII US had some Surgeon Generals who, when looking back, really did not seem to be adequately qualified for the job. If bacteriaphages had not been blatantly ignored by the Surgeon General (who was too busy declaring that "Penicillin has made infections a thing of the past" to authorize new treatments, despite his top advisors pointing out to him that resistant bugs were starting to show up). Mind you, it is not his job to approve spending on new research, but if he goes on record like he did that it is not advisable to fund such research, no one will fund such research. Not only that, but I know of at least one instance where a university research laboratory discovered that a virus that normally has absolutely no effect on humans (it attacks cows) could tear up cancer cells the same dramatic way that bacteriaphages kill bacteria. Unfortunately, the same bobbleheads that killed phage therapy research also killed this for the same reasons. It really could have made a huge difference. Excluding a few odd bugs like Group A Strep, virtually ALL bacteria that are pathogens to humans are resistant to the original penicillin. Drug companies are spending billions each year trying to develop new antibiotics when the few companies that are studying phage therapy is spending a fraction of that just growing the viruses up (because of the high rate of mutation in viruses, they automatically develop new strains theimselves without the costly development that antibiotics require).
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Post by samachine on Nov 24, 2007 0:17:53 GMT -5
I joke on the Hardys wrestling ability a lot, but I really wouldn't want anything horrible to happen to either of them or any other wrestlers, except maybe New Jack, but that's why I'll feel ok making this joke.
With MVP's previous heart problem was this more of him and Matt's competing? ~rimshot
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Nov 24, 2007 0:34:52 GMT -5
yeah the appendix is an interesting thing... you don't really need it, but if it bursts, yuo're effed
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Post by PTBartman on Nov 24, 2007 0:39:11 GMT -5
I'd say 1 month on his recovery. That would be plenty sensible, because you're looking at about a week or two in the hospital to get the toxins out of his system, plus healing time for the scar. I'd say that considering his history of recurring MRSA infections, 2-3 is much more sensible for a full time return. It's not outside the possibility that he still has some Staph encapsulated in dead cells (a common means of avoiding the immune system) hiding within his system. There is a reason that post-surgical infections are a real concern. Firstly, your immune system is overtaxed (especially in the instance of an appendix bursting), making infections progress more quickly. Secondly, you are on so many powerful antibiotics that a MRSA (which is unaffected by most antibiotics) will not have to face much competition from other infectious agents nor will it have to compete with your normal biota (which will take a pounding from the antibiotics as well). It's the sort of thing that makes me furious that the powers that be in the government in decades past refused to fund any research that dealt with developing bacteriaphage treatment (not a political statement, since it does get some funding now). It worked wonders a few times before the discovery of penicillin, and recently has been proving to be capable of being a potent tool now. Unlike antibiotics, bacteriaphages (viruses that attack only specific bacterias) mutate right along with their targets in order to beat resistance (actually, viruses mutate even faster than bacteria, so the bacteria can never truly outpace the viruses). Dude, What's your background? Not questioning your facts (well written by the way) Just want to know incase i ever quote this. (I'm a source freak. )
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Nov 24, 2007 1:24:39 GMT -5
I'd say that considering his history of recurring MRSA infections, 2-3 is much more sensible for a full time return. It's not outside the possibility that he still has some Staph encapsulated in dead cells (a common means of avoiding the immune system) hiding within his system. There is a reason that post-surgical infections are a real concern. Firstly, your immune system is overtaxed (especially in the instance of an appendix bursting), making infections progress more quickly. Secondly, you are on so many powerful antibiotics that a MRSA (which is unaffected by most antibiotics) will not have to face much competition from other infectious agents nor will it have to compete with your normal biota (which will take a pounding from the antibiotics as well). It's the sort of thing that makes me furious that the powers that be in the government in decades past refused to fund any research that dealt with developing bacteriaphage treatment (not a political statement, since it does get some funding now). It worked wonders a few times before the discovery of penicillin, and recently has been proving to be capable of being a potent tool now. Unlike antibiotics, bacteriaphages (viruses that attack only specific bacterias) mutate right along with their targets in order to beat resistance (actually, viruses mutate even faster than bacteria, so the bacteria can never truly outpace the viruses). Dude, What's your background? Not questioning your facts (well written by the way) Just want to know incase i ever quote this. (I'm a source freak. ) I am a microbiologist, so bacteria, viruses, parasitic ameobas, and parasitic fungi are right up my alley. My current lab work involves the ever poplular chlamydia.
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Post by PTBartman on Nov 24, 2007 1:31:19 GMT -5
Dude, What's your background? Not questioning your facts (well written by the way) Just want to know incase i ever quote this. (I'm a source freak. ) I am a microbiologist, so bacteria, viruses, parasitic ameobas, and parasitic fungi are right up my alley. My current lab work involves the ever poplular chlamydia. Thank you. For both posts. I found it very interesting (same to Cenanuff for his history post) Do either of you have some further reading posts, designed for a smarter than average layman, you could point me toward? I'm finding this whole topic fascinating.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 24, 2007 1:36:27 GMT -5
Thought you guys might like to see this, If true I didnt realise how serious the problem was. Thank God he was treated in time - Matt Hardy's Appendix burst actually had him on his death bed. If he didn't get to the hospital in time he could have died due to the toxins poisoning his body. As reported he is expected to be out for 3 months then return to continue his feud with MVP until Wrestlemania. - There is brief talk about putting MVP in a short feud with Jeff Hardy. From wrestlezone.com That same exact thing actually happened to my brother. It's quite serious.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Nov 24, 2007 7:45:39 GMT -5
I am a microbiologist, so bacteria, viruses, parasitic ameobas, and parasitic fungi are right up my alley. My current lab work involves the ever poplular chlamydia. Thank you. For both posts. I found it very interesting (same to Cenanuff for his history post) Do either of you have some further reading posts, designed for a smarter than average layman, you could point me toward? I'm finding this whole topic fascinating. I don't. I have a BS in Biology, but I have neither used it nor studied it in a good 10 years.
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Post by Chuckie Finster on Nov 24, 2007 8:10:32 GMT -5
He's also got history of staph infections. with that super bug going around.. yeah i think it's smart for matt to stay out. we don't want something bad. Yeah, MRSA is poppin up all around here in the south and since Hardy lives in NC, he might want to be really careful. There was an outbreak of MRSA in Charlotte a little while ago and another one in Virginia and several isolated cases here and there. And the appendix bursting is just horrible. Sucks that something that feels so routine (stomach ache) can turn deadly so fast.
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Post by Widow's Peak on Nov 24, 2007 12:16:28 GMT -5
Matt posted an update on his Myspace:
November 23, 2007 - Friday
I AM STILL ALIVE
As most of you know, I experienced a ruptured appendix which released toxins that internally poisoned me on Tuesday. After being in excruciating pain for nearly 24 hours, I went under the knife late Tuesday night and had my appendix removed. For the last four days, I've been virtually bed-ridden in Tampa General Hospital. For those four days, I've been having my body intravenously pumped and flushed with powerful antibiotics to kill the infections within my abdomen caused by the toxins. It wasn't exactly the way I planned on spending Thanksgiving of 07--away from home, away from my family, and in torturous pain. But it was a good Thanksgiving nonetheless-because I'm very thankful I'm still alive. I've got alot left to do in this life, and I wanna thank God for continuing to give me that opportunity. I'll speak on all this in greater length later, but I need my sleep now... Thank you guys-for all your support and get well soon wishes, they mean alot...
Matt
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Post by I'm The Cool One on Nov 24, 2007 12:19:26 GMT -5
matt hardy will not die!
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Nov 24, 2007 12:37:45 GMT -5
I am a microbiologist, so bacteria, viruses, parasitic ameobas, and parasitic fungi are right up my alley. My current lab work involves the ever poplular chlamydia. Thank you. For both posts. I found it very interesting (same to Cenanuff for his history post) Do either of you have some further reading posts, designed for a smarter than average layman, you could point me toward? I'm finding this whole topic fascinating. Nature.com is the website for Nature magazine, which is a good general science magazine. You may have to pay for it's usage, however. Actually, biology and the other life sciences is one of the materials that you can actually trust wikipedia on. Normally the articles are written by knowledgable individuals and no one seems to fool with the articles the way that any others fields have. The only problem is that wikipedia articles are usually a year or two behind the times (in order to wait to ensure that source material, for which links normally are provided, are accurate).
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