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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 24, 2007 18:30:12 GMT -5
Foley seems to do more than Hogan does, and what about Khali? He pretty much spends his paychecks on an entire region. Well, Hogan has been in wrestling longer than Foley, so I'm sure there is some semblance of truth to that particular statement. Maybe. I'll admit I'm not sure.
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Post by thesunbeast on Nov 24, 2007 18:30:52 GMT -5
Also, I'm going to say this just once nicely. Please lets not confuse reality with fantasy. I can't believe that hogan's politics in wrestling and his on screen charactor is even being brought up here as a means of equality with what's been happening in the family. The thing about Hogan is, he does more charity work than anyone else in wrestling, according to Meltzer anyway. So, he's obviously a nice guy. But he has politicked, backstabbed and sabotaged the careers of others to benefit himself. Maybe that makes his an asshole. Maybe in wrestling you have to be. My point was was that, he did all that to give his family a better life, but it got torn apart anyway. Maybe if he hadn't been so concerned with making even more money, he could have spent more time with Nick and tried to give him a more stable, disciplined upbrining or him and Linda might not have grown apart over the years (which is obviously what's happened) I've heard this argument before, but it applies to people that are at a certain level of wrestling, it does not apply to people like Hogan, who are pioneers of wrestling. The same has been said about Vince Mcmahon, but again, it wouldn't apply to him either. You choose to be in the wrestling business, politicking dosen't destroy careers, as you have one for certain reasons in the first place. If I saw that NASA was picking up drastically on business because of two people, and I decided to become an astronaut, you can obviously analyze that I wouldn't have made that decision if business didn't start to pick up and it was still in it's earlier state, because I didn't when it was. If business went back to the way it was when those two people leave, are they the ones that destroyed my career as I knew it? Or were they the ones that made it the way it was in the first place? I say that this has nothing to do with the mans family, just the money they have and how they live.
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Post by tankmcquade on Nov 24, 2007 18:37:10 GMT -5
Linda and Hulk will probably work it out......but if not, then it sucks to be Hulk even after what Nick did pretending to be Dominic Toretto.
And I'm sure all the people Hogan screwed over and held down over the last 20-25 years are toasting to his divorce right now.....
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 24, 2007 18:38:19 GMT -5
Linda and Hulk will probably work it out......but if not, then it sucks to be Hulk even after what Nick did pretending to be Dominic Toretto. And I'm sure all the people Hogan screwed over and held down over the last 20-25 years are toasting to his divorce right now..... Why? A lot of guys in wrestling are divorced, from Rock to Bret to Flair. And Hogan seems level-headed enough to where this wouldn't stop him.
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Post by Jack on Nov 24, 2007 18:44:12 GMT -5
Nobody in wrestling gets held down. If you can make money you'll be pushed over and above the guy who can't. All day long.
It's amusing how some people think sports entertainment is all about taking things in turns and nice gentlemen's agreement and returning the job and all that nonsense. Like the writer of the Rocky movies would think "Well, Rocky won in the last one, lets give the other guy the rub in this movie".
Nobody is ever held down in wrestling, it simply wouldn't make sense for a promoter to do so. Some people are just more marketable than others.
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Post by rubber johnny on Nov 24, 2007 18:45:00 GMT -5
poor hulkster
though the macho maniac in me wants to see randy savage pork linda
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Post by CrazySting on Nov 24, 2007 18:49:14 GMT -5
The thing about Hogan is, he does more charity work than anyone else in wrestling, according to Meltzer anyway. So, he's obviously a nice guy. But he has politicked, backstabbed and sabotaged the careers of others to benefit himself. Maybe that makes his an asshole. Maybe in wrestling you have to be. My point was was that, he did all that to give his family a better life, but it got torn apart anyway. Maybe if he hadn't been so concerned with making even more money, he could have spent more time with Nick and tried to give him a more stable, disciplined upbrining or him and Linda might not have grown apart over the years (which is obviously what's happened) I've heard this argument before, but it applies to people that are at a certain level of wrestling, it does not apply to people like Hogan, who are pioneers of wrestling. The same has been said about Vince Mcmahon, but again, it wouldn't apply to him either. You choose to be in the wrestling business, politicking dosen't destroy careers, as you have one for certain reasons in the first place. If I saw that NASA was picking up drastically on business because of two people, and I decided to become an astronaut, you can obviously analyze that I wouldn't have made that decision if business didn't start to pick up and it was still in it's earlier state, because I didn't when it was. If business went back to the way it was when those two people leave, are they the ones that destroyed my career as I knew it? Or were they the ones that made it the way it was in the first place? I say that this has nothing to do with the mans family, just the money they have and how they live. What about Hogan and Warrior at the end of wrestlemania? Read Hogan's book: he even admits he sabotaged the beginning of warrior's reign because he didn't like him. It's the only honest thing in it.
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Post by Jack on Nov 24, 2007 18:51:26 GMT -5
I've heard this argument before, but it applies to people that are at a certain level of wrestling, it does not apply to people like Hogan, who are pioneers of wrestling. The same has been said about Vince Mcmahon, but again, it wouldn't apply to him either. You choose to be in the wrestling business, politicking dosen't destroy careers, as you have one for certain reasons in the first place. If I saw that NASA was picking up drastically on business because of two people, and I decided to become an astronaut, you can obviously analyze that I wouldn't have made that decision if business didn't start to pick up and it was still in it's earlier state, because I didn't when it was. If business went back to the way it was when those two people leave, are they the ones that destroyed my career as I knew it? Or were they the ones that made it the way it was in the first place? I say that this has nothing to do with the mans family, just the money they have and how they live. What about Hogan and Warrior at the end of wrestlemania? Read Hogan's book: he even admits he sabotaged the beginning of warrior's reign. It's the only honest thing in it. I would doubt that. The ending was clearly planed. The first thing the ref does post title match is dive over to get the belts, but Hebner didn't. This is a big indication the ending was supposed to go that way.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 24, 2007 18:51:36 GMT -5
I've heard this argument before, but it applies to people that are at a certain level of wrestling, it does not apply to people like Hogan, who are pioneers of wrestling. The same has been said about Vince Mcmahon, but again, it wouldn't apply to him either. You choose to be in the wrestling business, politicking dosen't destroy careers, as you have one for certain reasons in the first place. If I saw that NASA was picking up drastically on business because of two people, and I decided to become an astronaut, you can obviously analyze that I wouldn't have made that decision if business didn't start to pick up and it was still in it's earlier state, because I didn't when it was. If business went back to the way it was when those two people leave, are they the ones that destroyed my career as I knew it? Or were they the ones that made it the way it was in the first place? I say that this has nothing to do with the mans family, just the money they have and how they live. What about Hogan and Warrior at the end of wrestlemania? Read Hogan's book: he even admits he sabotaged the beginning of warrior's reign. It's the only honest thing in it. What did he say exactly as to how he did that? And from hearing about other book's, you'd be hard pressed to find a lot of honesty in there (i.e HBK's book from what I understand).
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Post by tarheelfan on Nov 24, 2007 18:56:07 GMT -5
Nobody in wrestling gets held down. If you can make money you'll be pushed over and above the guy who can't. All day long. It's amusing how some people think sports entertainment is all about taking things in turns and nice gentlemen's agreement and returning the job and all that nonsense. Like the writer of the Rocky movies would think "Well, Rocky won in the last one, lets give the other guy the rub in this movie". Nobody is ever held down in wrestling, it simply wouldn't make sense for a promoter to do so. Some people are just more marketable than others. Maybe the most truthful and factual post on this forum. If everyone was pushed and given a turn as world champion as most of the smarks would love than the title would become meaningless and wrestling would be cheapened and watered down. As far as the Hogan situation it is sad because it is another sign of the times of alarming divorce rates especially considering that they have been married for so long.
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Post by CrazySting on Nov 24, 2007 19:02:47 GMT -5
What about Hogan and Warrior at the end of wrestlemania? Read Hogan's book: he even admits he sabotaged the beginning of warrior's reign. It's the only honest thing in it. What did he say exactly as to how he did that? And from hearing about other book's, you'd be hard pressed to find a lot of honesty in there (i.e HBK's book from what I understand). He admits his antics after the match were specifically designed to steal the spotlight from warrior. He wasn't told by Vince or anyone else to do that. He just wanted to get his heat back.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 24, 2007 19:04:39 GMT -5
What did he say exactly as to how he did that? And from hearing about other book's, you'd be hard pressed to find a lot of honesty in there (i.e HBK's book from what I understand). He admits his antics after the match were specifically designed to steal the spotlight from warrior. He wasn't told by Vince or anyone else to do that. He just wanted to get his heat back. Either way it worked like a charm as he pretty much endorsed Warrior as the next guy in line after him to be champ and the fans loved the handshake/embrace. If he just came on the mic and said Warrior sucks don't cheer him, then it'd be a lot more noticeable.
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Post by Mozenrath on Nov 24, 2007 19:06:29 GMT -5
Finally the gears of Randy Savage's plot are in motion....
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Post by Samoa Kenny on Nov 24, 2007 19:07:03 GMT -5
WHAT YOU GONNA DO, WHEN DIVORCE LAWYERS RUN WILD ON YOU! BROTHER!
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Post by CrazySting on Nov 24, 2007 19:15:29 GMT -5
He admits his antics after the match were specifically designed to steal the spotlight from warrior. He wasn't told by Vince or anyone else to do that. He just wanted to get his heat back. Either way it worked like a charm as he pretty much endorsed Warrior as the next guy in line after him to be champ and the fans loved the handshake/embrace. If he just came on the mic and said Warrior sucks don't cheer him, then it'd be a lot more noticeable. From what I gather, Warrior's reign was a commercial flop.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 24, 2007 19:17:54 GMT -5
Either way it worked like a charm as he pretty much endorsed Warrior as the next guy in line after him to be champ and the fans loved the handshake/embrace. If he just came on the mic and said Warrior sucks don't cheer him, then it'd be a lot more noticeable. From what I gather, Warrior's reign was a commercial flop. I don't know, seemed just fine to me when I was watching it at the time and I doubt seriously Hogan had anything to do with that, once you go through the curtain, it's all on you and the people were popping enormously for Warrior. Hardly a flop,IMO.
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Post by thesunbeast on Nov 24, 2007 19:20:30 GMT -5
What about Hogan and Warrior at the end of wrestlemania? Read Hogan's book: he even admits he sabotaged the beginning of warrior's reign. It's the only honest thing in it. I would doubt that. The ending was clearly planed. The first thing the ref does post title match is dive over to get the belts, but Hebner didn't. This is a big indication the ending was supposed to go that way. Yeah I've read Hogan's book about 1,042 times and counting. It's weird, because every time I read it, I always find something different in it than I did the last time. Hogan dosen't diectly say that he sabbotaged the ending, and quite frankly, if what Hogan did in the ending actually sabbotaged warrior, then Warrior wasn't that good anyway. Hagan says what he did, not that it was a shoot. He says, "the ref was going to give the belt to warrior, but I took it and gave it to him myself". Things like that. Hogan gaining the spotlight afterwards is to keep both sides EVEN. Warrior wins, but Hogan still looks important by having some light on him. If this act is enough to kill warrior's momentum, then that would be saying that Warrior's win wasn't good enough. Being the only man to pin Hogan clean for a decade, in the main event of Wrestlemania 6, in front of 60,000 people, in the first ever face vs face match, is pretty darn big. If that gets ruined because Hogan didn't stay out of the ring to force the crowd to have to pay attention to only the warrior, then what does that say about Warrior. Warrior, or anyone else good enough, could hold their own. See: Hogan/Rock, same building.
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Post by General Zod on Nov 24, 2007 19:22:39 GMT -5
What'cha gonna do, when ALIMONY runs wild on YOU!?
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Post by CrazySting on Nov 24, 2007 19:23:39 GMT -5
I would doubt that. The ending was clearly planed. The first thing the ref does post title match is dive over to get the belts, but Hebner didn't. This is a big indication the ending was supposed to go that way. Hogan gaining the spotlight afterwards is to keep both sides EVEN. . The point of putting anyone over is that's it's not even. Hogan should have gone off without a fuss and let warrior take the spotlight. Possibly he would have failed as champion anyway. But you shouldn't try and screw the guy's reign seconds after it's started,
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Nov 24, 2007 19:26:21 GMT -5
Hogan gaining the spotlight afterwards is to keep both sides EVEN. . The point of putting anyone over is that's it's not even. Hogan should have gone off without a fuss and let warrior take the spotlight. Possibly he would have failed as champion anyway. But you shouldn't try and screw the guy's reign seconds after it's started, How did he do that? Many times I've seen a former champion give the new champion the belt and raise his hand in a token of victory. It didn't hurt Warrior at all. Didn't Kurt Angle do the same exact thing for Brock Lesnar in 2003? And Steamboat with Flair in Wrestlewar 89?
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