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Post by Red Impact on Dec 5, 2007 21:25:56 GMT -5
Oh my bad...trying to ride the coat tails of the RAW audience and shill your garbage at 11:05 while disassociating yourself from wrestling is much less insulting to the fans. Given that it isn't taking up time on the show with movie trailers with promos and giving them ample time to change the channel, yes, yes it is. Foley's returns to shill his book doesn't help the fans. Austin's "OMG THE CONDEMNED" promos on all 3 shows every week doesn't help the fans. All it says is "Hey, remember me, you like me! Buy my book!," and attempting to treat people as sheep is far more insulting than just airing another commercial.
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Post by The Booty Disciple on Dec 5, 2007 21:29:18 GMT -5
Oh my bad...trying to ride the coat tails of the RAW audience and shill your garbage at 11:05 while disassociating yourself from wrestling is much less insulting to the fans. Given that it isn't taking up time on the show with movie trailers with promos and giving them ample time to change the channel, yes, yes it is. Foley's returns to shill his book doesn't help the fans. Austin's "OMG THE CONDEMNED" promos on all 3 shows every week doesn't help the fans. All it says is "Hey, remember me, you like me! Buy my book!," and attempting to treat people as sheep is far more insulting than just airing another commercial. I think what we're driving at is the fact that the Rock has chosen NOT to be that kind of individual because he doesn't have to. Also, in Steve Austin and Mick Foley's case, their stuff has been published or produced by a division of WWE. With the Rock's stuff, it's done by whichever movie company. Given that the wrestling industry isn't looking all that hot right now, I doubt a Hollywood studio would be terribly receptive to the Rock promoting a movie on a wrestling program, no matter how many viewers it could garner. That's what the traditional talk show/SNL/etc et all routes are for.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 5, 2007 21:35:10 GMT -5
I think what we're driving at is the fact that the Rock has chosen NOT to be that kind of individual because he doesn't have to. Also, in Steve Austin and Mick Foley's case, their stuff has been published or produced by a division of WWE. With the Rock's stuff, it's done by whichever movie company. Given that the wrestling industry isn't looking all that hot right now, I doubt a Hollywood studio would be terribly receptive to the Rock promoting a movie on a wrestling program, no matter how many viewers it could garner. That's what the traditional talk show/SNL/etc et all routes are for. I agree with that, but I also find it quite ridiculous that fans are complaining that the Rock isn't doing something that they complain about when other performers, who were just as popular if not more so, do it.
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Post by Desi on Dec 5, 2007 21:50:04 GMT -5
Take this for what it's worth, since it's RAJAH!1~ and all:
So yeah, with all this [mis]information going around, I'll take the "I'll believe when I do/don't see it" route when it comes to Rock showing up.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Dec 5, 2007 22:04:57 GMT -5
Take this for what it's worth, since it's RAJAH!1~ and all: So yeah, with all this [mis]information going around, I'll take the "I'll believe when I do/don't see it" route when it comes to Rock showing up. I'm with Desi on this one. Wait and see, people. Wait and see.
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Post by dh03grad on Dec 6, 2007 1:45:12 GMT -5
The Rock doesn't want to be on the show...but he has no trouble filming those bumpers for his new movies that are played before/after RAW...and of course the studios love to by WWE air time to advertise. They know damn well where the Rock's audience started...he would've have starred in anything without his wrestling fame...and while I do believe he's probably built a new audience, I would think at least half, if not more, of his audience still resides in the wrestling community. So just plug your BS on the damn show like everyone else and throw the fans a bone once in a while. And let's face it...most of the big guys that do come back are shilling something...Foley, Hogan, Austin...it's always something. Be it a book, a daughter, a movie... He stayed around to help WWE for years after he had to. An attitude era without The Rock would have fizzled out in 1999. Dont you people know that part of the reason Chris Benoit lost his mind was because he would have had to wrestle until he was a broken down old man. Look at Ric Flair, look at Mick Foley coming out to complete silence once every few months. Appreciate that one of your favorites came into the business, entertained you, and left while he was still good with his mind and health intact. How many pro wrestlers can say that?
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Post by Captain Spaulding on Dec 6, 2007 8:47:52 GMT -5
Maybe so, but remember wrestling's always had certain negative connotations. Even at (arguably) the height of his popularity, the then WWF took a lot of flack for having such a racy, over-the-top product, and to a certain extent, that only helped his on-screen character become more popular with fans. I think If he didn't want to cheapen his legacy by coming and making frequent appearances ala Mick Foley (if he even cared about doing that to begin with), he should have NOT came back period, like Bret Hart. He has made very brief returns yes, but still returns like those can sometimes just seem like cheap nostalgic thrills to pop the crowd. Just my view. The few times he came back were all favors for Vince... The Diva Search segment isn't working so well? LET'S BRING OUT THE ROCK!!!... Eugene isn't getting over or is as sympathetic as he should be? LET'S BRING OUT THE ROCK!!!... Vince needs a little more heat behind his "legendary" encounter with Donald Trump? LET'S BRING OUT THE ROCK!!! I know that I'm the biggest Rock mark here, and that may taint my opinions, but people overreact so much whenever The Rock doesn't want to do something wrestling related. It's like moaning about the fact that Jennifer Aniston left the TV world behind for the world of movies... "SHE OWES US ANOTHER SERIES! TV MADE HER A STAR! SHE SHOULD REMEMBER WHO MADE HER A STAR!" See how lame that sounds? The thing is, while there are TV fans who would love to see Jennifer Aniston in another sitcom, I've never seen them freak out that Jennifer Aniston turned down some TV role because she was too busy with some movie. This, as opposed to wrestling with the guy is a traitor, a dick, an asshole, a hypocrite, and should just go f*** himself if he forgets where he came from. For all of you wanting his head for declining, I present this... I fully cosign brother!
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Post by Dr. Bunsen Honeydew on Dec 6, 2007 9:03:01 GMT -5
So just plug your BS on the damn show like everyone else and throw the fans a bone once in a while. Yes, because the fans loved it when Stone Cold did it, eh? Stone Cold didn't do it, Santino did.
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Post by Loki on Dec 6, 2007 9:16:04 GMT -5
How many years ago did The Rock stop being relevant to WWE? How many years ago did The Rock stop wrestling on a regular basis?
Hell, do we REALLY need to keep our lips glued to the asses of yesteryear's (and yesterdecade's) Superstars who have no interest and no place in wrestling today?
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 6, 2007 9:56:41 GMT -5
How many years ago did The Rock stop being relevant to WWE? How many years ago did The Rock stop wrestling on a regular basis? Hell, do we REALLY need to keep our lips glued to the asses of yesteryear's (and yesterdecade's) Superstars who have no interest and no place in wrestling today? If he gets pops like he did earlier this year, I guess so. When you go from Rock/Austin to Orton feuding with Jericho, it's kinda hard to not miss those days.
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Post by wildojinx on Dec 6, 2007 10:04:03 GMT -5
I hate the whole "wrestling has a negative connotation due to benoit" thing. Football is still popular after the whole michael vick thing (and in dogfighting IIRC, dogs who lose the fights are killed, so you cant use the he didnt kill anyone argument), ditto baseball afer barry bonds, etc
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Post by AriadosMan on Dec 6, 2007 10:23:45 GMT -5
I hate the whole "wrestling has a negative connotation due to benoit" thing. Football is still popular after the whole michael vick thing (and in dogfighting IIRC, dogs who lose the fights are killed, so you cant use the he didnt kill anyone argument), ditto baseball afer barry bonds, etc Yeah, but they didn't have severe mental trauma linked to head injuries like Benoit. They were just jerks who exploited the system. Its must easier to take the knee-jerk reaction and blame the Benoit stuff on the pro wrestling business itself.
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Post by Loki on Dec 6, 2007 10:31:02 GMT -5
How many years ago did The Rock stop being relevant to WWE? How many years ago did The Rock stop wrestling on a regular basis? Hell, do we REALLY need to keep our lips glued to the asses of yesteryear's (and yesterdecade's) Superstars who have no interest and no place in wrestling today? If he gets pops like he did earlier this year, I guess so. When you go from Rock/Austin to Orton feuding with Jericho, it's kinda hard to not miss those days. But a random Rock/Austin cameo won't bring those days back. That's the thing that irks me. Those days are gone forever, dwelling on them won't make them happen again, and won't help you enjoying the present days. Want to relive them? Put on a tape/dvd instead of watching the current product hoping to see a geriatric reunion by the Old Stars.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 6, 2007 10:32:18 GMT -5
If he gets pops like he did earlier this year, I guess so. When you go from Rock/Austin to Orton feuding with Jericho, it's kinda hard to not miss those days. But a random Rock/Austin cameo won't bring those days back. That's the thing that irks me. Those days are gone forever, dwelling on them won't make them happen again, and won't help you enjoying the present days. Want to relive them? Put on a tape/dvd instead of watching the current product hoping to see a geriatric reunion by the Old Stars. You're absolutely right, but it still works and gets a big pop (at least the Rock anyways), so WWE hears that and figures why not use it? Believe me, I watch more DVDs of the old days than I do of today's stuff as there are far more interesting to me.
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Post by Red 'n' Black Reggie on Dec 6, 2007 11:03:23 GMT -5
why are people acting as if rocky "owes" the wrestling business. he doesn't need the money, he's probably got other things to do, and he has already revolutionized the way that faces act this century. what he did for wrestling wa simmense. he brought huge popularity, and was the main reson wwf stayed as number one during austin's absence. the fact (i.e. opinion of a genius) is that the rock doesn't owe wrestling, or its fans, a damn thing. if anything, we owe him.
and anyway, what exactly would he do? he couldn't wrestle, because he hasn't in years, and probably isn't in ring shape, and they can't give him a mic, because the rock's charisma lies in him talking about himself, and how he's so great, etc. that works for him. if he did a promo on, say, the jericho/orton feud, it would either stink, or be great but take away from the two guys actually in the feud.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 6, 2007 11:07:22 GMT -5
why are people acting as if rocky "owes" the wrestling business. he doesn't need the money, he's probably got other things to do, and he has already revolutionized the way that faces act this century. what he did for wrestling wa simmense. he brought huge popularity, and was the main reson wwf stayed as number one during austin's absence. the fact (i.e. opinion of a genius) is that the rock doesn't owe wrestling, or its fans, a damn thing. if anything, we owe him. and anyway, what exactly would he do? he couldn't wrestle, because he hasn't in years, and probably isn't in ring shape, and they can't give him a mic, because the rock's charisma lies in him talking about himself, and how he's so great, etc. that works for him. if he did a promo on, say, the jericho/orton feud, it would either stink, or be great but take away from the two guys actually in the feud. Exactly and if he did wrestle,it wouldn't be the full-time schedule that everyone else is doing, so then those who wanted him back would be pissed because he's not on every Raw or house show.
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Post by capnsteve on Dec 6, 2007 12:26:10 GMT -5
It's just kind of insulting to the business when one of the top guys makes it well known that he'd rather be doing straight to video football movies than even be associated with wrestling.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 6, 2007 12:28:17 GMT -5
It's just kind of insulting to the business when one of the top guys makes it well known that he'd rather be doing straight to video football movies than even be associated with wrestling. How's it an insult? He doesn't want to do it, it's his choice. Is he missed? Yes, but still it doesn't mean he has to come back every time they call him. And to my knowledge, he hasn't done any straight-to-video movies. You may not like them, but he gets paid a helluva lot more than he would if he stayed in wrestling. He's got a family to worry about.
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Post by TRMcGillicutty on Dec 6, 2007 13:59:32 GMT -5
I hate the whole "wrestling has a negative connotation due to benoit" thing. Football is still popular after the whole michael vick thing (and in dogfighting IIRC, dogs who lose the fights are killed, so you cant use the he didnt kill anyone argument), ditto baseball afer barry bonds, etc He didn't kill anyone. He killed a dog. Dogs aren't people. It's still mean and all that jazz, but I'm sick of people going apeshit whenever something bad happens to animals. BACK ON TOPIC... I'm still holding out hope the Rock will come back. That's really the only person they have that could come back and actually be a surprise. Everyone else...done to death already. Although, if they could find Damien Damento...
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Post by dh03grad on Dec 6, 2007 14:12:38 GMT -5
WWE has to worry about their stars today. Im sick and tired of seeing Austin and Foley showing up randomly taking away airtime. The WWE's attitude era didnt need rock n wrestling era stars. The rock n wrestling era turned bruno and graham to midcard to even jobber status so they didnt need 70s stars either. WWWF in the 70s didnt need to rely on Buddy Rogers and other stars of the 60s. You get my point. Let the Rock go. Let the stars of the 80s and 90s go. If WWE built up the guys they have now properly, there would be no need for these "guest appearances" and DX reforming for the 5th time.
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