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Post by The Booty Disciple on Dec 6, 2007 15:24:36 GMT -5
And flaming will really help the cause, Devon. Simmer down, friend.
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Post by Libertine on Dec 6, 2007 15:28:25 GMT -5
A human like an eight year old boy vs. some muscle-bound freak?
Anyway, I haven't even read this thread but it seems to have taken an interesting turn somewhere.
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Post by The Booty Disciple on Dec 6, 2007 15:31:25 GMT -5
Yep. Hostility abounds when most of the valid points have been hit. It's just a circular argument now.
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 6, 2007 15:42:19 GMT -5
He didn't kill anyone. He killed a dog. Dogs aren't people. It's still mean and all that jazz, but I'm sick of people going apecrap whenever something bad happens to animals. "You can tell the value of a society on how well they treat their animals." -- Ghandi Animals were here first, and a human has a much better chance of defending themselves than a dog that has been chained, starved and beaten has. Pricks like you make me ashamed to be a part of the human race. Don't do this again. You should know better. And to everyone, stay on topic.
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 6, 2007 15:45:13 GMT -5
Take this for what it's worth, since it's RAJAH!1~ and all: So yeah, with all this [mis]information going around, I'll take the "I'll believe when I do/don't see it" route when it comes to Rock showing up. So wait RAjah'd again?
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 6, 2007 16:56:06 GMT -5
Take this for what it's worth, since it's RAJAH!1~ and all: So yeah, with all this [mis]information going around, I'll take the "I'll believe when I do/don't see it" route when it comes to Rock showing up. So wait RAjah'd again? Pretty much, it wasn't even confirmed and people were getting all upset over a piece of news that's not even credible.
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Post by The Booty Disciple on Dec 6, 2007 17:28:51 GMT -5
To be fair, for a while, the discussion was reasonably civil and sane, bringing up good points on either side.
Lately, though, it got strangely hostile for no readily apparent reason. Like I said up there, it seems like after all the major points had been hit twice or three times, it seems like often, the thread turns towards hollering and bickering, rather than keeping things sane and civil.
EDIT: That being said, nothing else is being mentioned regarding the matter when I googled it.
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Post by AriadosMan on Dec 6, 2007 17:34:26 GMT -5
Given some of the dumb comments on this post about people feeling like the Rock somehow has to perform for them on RAW because "they made him", I'm glad he opted to leave. He doesn't owe anyone anything. I'd rather him leave healthy and happy than see him stay past his prime until he's an old, broken down bitter man.
Frankly, I don't trust Rajah at all.
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Post by TRMcGillicutty on Dec 6, 2007 17:34:27 GMT -5
Sorry to cause hostility everyone.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 6, 2007 17:47:45 GMT -5
Stone Cold didn't do it, Santino did. Santino shilled the DVD, yes, but they had Stone Cold appear for months to promote the theatrical release before Santino shilled the DVD release. While it wasn't directly said by him, it was accompanied by trailer after trailer every week of the movie, so it was blatantly obvious why they were having him appear. And the difference between wrestling controversies and the NFL/NBA/MLB etc controversies isn't just the difference in the nature of the controversies, it's how public opinion about the subjects were to begin with. Professional wrestling was already looked down on before the round of scares and controversy, so it is harmed more in in the public's eyes than other sports, since it was never really thought of as legitimate to begin with.
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Post by The Booty Disciple on Dec 6, 2007 19:01:04 GMT -5
Stone Cold didn't do it, Santino did. Santino shilled the DVD, yes, but they had Stone Cold appear for months to promote the theatrical release before Santino shilled the DVD release. While it wasn't directly said by him, it was accompanied by trailer after trailer every week of the movie, so it was blatantly obvious why they were having him appear. And the difference between wrestling controversies and the NFL/NBA/MLB etc controversies isn't just the difference in the nature of the controversies, it's how public opinion about the subjects were to begin with. Professional wrestling was already looked down on before the round of scares and controversy, so it is harmed more in in the public's eyes than other sports, since it was never really thought of as legitimate to begin with. It's unfortunate that WWE insists upon shoving Stone Cold and Santino down our throats to promote a silly side venture that is doing marginal (at best). The long and short of it is that the majority of fans watchign and in the arena aren't interested in DVD shills...they wanna see wrestling and/or wrestling related entertainment. I suppose, though, it's inevitable, because it makes good business sense for WWE to shill on its own programming, particularly when movies that are tanking or barely making a "b-grade" to normal folk aren't going to get much in the way of promotion through normal media outlets. So while Cena and Stone Cold and Kane are making movies for WWE Films, I suppose we'll see more of the same kind of silly appearances.
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Post by capnsteve on Dec 7, 2007 3:25:46 GMT -5
It's just kind of insulting to the business when one of the top guys makes it well known that he'd rather be doing straight to video football movies than even be associated with wrestling. How's it an insult? He doesn't want to do it, it's his choice. Is he missed? Yes, but still it doesn't mean he has to come back every time they call him. And to my knowledge, he hasn't done any straight-to-video movies. You may not like them, but he gets paid a helluva lot more than he would if he stayed in wrestling. He's got a family to worry about. Imagine if someone worked for you for years, and then got another job based on the work he did for you. Wouldn't you be ever so slightly insulted if he tried his best to distance himself from you? I was apparently wrong about the straight to video releases, but come on. Guest starring on Hannah Montana is kind of scraping the bottom of the acting barrel. But that's apparently much more desirable than being the #1 guy in wrestling.
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Post by dh03grad on Dec 7, 2007 4:20:59 GMT -5
How's it an insult? He doesn't want to do it, it's his choice. Is he missed? Yes, but still it doesn't mean he has to come back every time they call him. And to my knowledge, he hasn't done any straight-to-video movies. You may not like them, but he gets paid a helluva lot more than he would if he stayed in wrestling. He's got a family to worry about. Imagine if someone worked for you for years, and then got another job based on the work he did for you. Wouldn't you be ever so slightly insulted if he tried his best to distance himself from you? I was apparently wrong about the straight to video releases, but come on. Guest starring on Hannah Montana is kind of scraping the bottom of the acting barrel. But that's apparently much more desirable than being the #1 guy in wrestling. Maybe not, but starring in a film grossing 100 million dollars before even being out on DVD, in face, is. Its not as much as he is distancing himself from wrestling, he appeared on WWE television this year for goodness sakes. Its that he no longer works for WWE. Does WWE sign guys to lifetime contracts now? When should guys be able to say enough, im finished with wrestling?
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Post by HRH The KING on Dec 7, 2007 5:02:20 GMT -5
I can't really blame the Rock.
He doesn't need wrestling anymore.
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Post by Loki on Dec 7, 2007 6:19:40 GMT -5
The Rock doesn't owe us a thing.
If he wants to appear on RAW, fine. If he doesn't, who cares anyway.
It's like pretending to have all former bandmates for an anniversary concert: if some members of the band aren't comfortable with some other, or if they just don't feel they belong there anymore, what's the point in praying them to show up?
Rock made a choice, even a brave one I may say. He could have failed miserably and been forced to come back to WWE [*cough*Jericho*cough*].
He retired while still popular and will probably leave good memories of him because he went away long before having worn his welcome. The main problem with wrestlers is not being able to call it quits until it's too late. The Rock did it, so kudos to him for wanting to be "more" than a wrestler, turning his back to "easy" money.
That being said, I don't think he has that much to give to WWE anyway, unless you count as valid the same stuff he's already done.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 7, 2007 6:40:29 GMT -5
How's it an insult? He doesn't want to do it, it's his choice. Is he missed? Yes, but still it doesn't mean he has to come back every time they call him. And to my knowledge, he hasn't done any straight-to-video movies. You may not like them, but he gets paid a helluva lot more than he would if he stayed in wrestling. He's got a family to worry about. Imagine if someone worked for you for years, and then got another job based on the work he did for you. Wouldn't you be ever so slightly insulted if he tried his best to distance himself from you? I was apparently wrong about the straight to video releases, but come on. Guest starring on Hannah Montana is kind of scraping the bottom of the acting barrel. But that's apparently much more desirable than being the #1 guy in wrestling. It is much more desirable, whether you like it or not as it doesn't put a toll on the body and he gets paid much more. Guest starring on one of the highly rated shows on Disney is hardly scraping the barrel in addition to the movies he's made. You personally may not like them, but he has to think about his family first. And to answer your first question, no as that person already did his time and doesn't owe me or anyone else a thing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2007 6:46:54 GMT -5
How long does someone "owe" their former employer something?
Do I owe Dairy Queen anything for employing me, when I was 16?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2007 6:49:28 GMT -5
How's it an insult? He doesn't want to do it, it's his choice. Is he missed? Yes, but still it doesn't mean he has to come back every time they call him. And to my knowledge, he hasn't done any straight-to-video movies. You may not like them, but he gets paid a helluva lot more than he would if he stayed in wrestling. He's got a family to worry about. Imagine if someone worked for you for years, and then got another job based on the work he did for you. Wouldn't you be ever so slightly insulted if he tried his best to distance himself from you? I was apparently wrong about the straight to video releases, but come on. Guest starring on Hannah Montana is kind of scraping the bottom of the acting barrel. But that's apparently much more desirable than being the #1 guy in wrestling. Hannah Montana, 9 times out of 10 is more entertaining then Raw.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 7, 2007 7:17:37 GMT -5
Imagine if someone worked for you for years, and then got another job based on the work he did for you. Wouldn't you be ever so slightly insulted if he tried his best to distance himself from you? I was apparently wrong about the straight to video releases, but come on. Guest starring on Hannah Montana is kind of scraping the bottom of the acting barrel. But that's apparently much more desirable than being the #1 guy in wrestling. Hannah Montana, 9 times out of 10 is more entertaining then Raw. *hands brentreznor award for Truest Statement made on the Forums of 2007* Congratulations! ;D
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Post by MCMGM on Dec 7, 2007 8:13:56 GMT -5
How long does someone "owe" their former employer something? Do I owe Dairy Queen anything for employing me, when I was 16? Well that depends. How old are you?
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