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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2007 10:26:09 GMT -5
Maybe he can't take time out to make the appearance. If he's currently working on something, it's not like he can decide to stop everything at a moment's notice to fly out to where ever the show is and make it.
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Post by capnsteve on Dec 8, 2007 2:20:07 GMT -5
How long does someone "owe" their former employer something? Do I owe Dairy Queen anything for employing me, when I was 16? If they're responsible for your current success, then yes, you should say something nice about them every once in a while. Nobody's saying he should come back full time, but he's recently dropped his wrestling name and it sure seems like he's trying to avoid wrestling questions when he's interviewed. If Dairy Queen made you millions of dollars and then asked you to make an appearance at their anniversary party, it would be nice of you to go. To everyone who's talking about him taking care of his family: He has one kid and, unless he did something extremely stupid, was already a multi-millionaire from wrestling alone. |
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Post by lildude8218 on Dec 8, 2007 2:25:46 GMT -5
How long does someone "owe" their former employer something? Do I owe Dairy Queen anything for employing me, when I was 16? If they're responsible for your current success, then yes, you should say something nice about them every once in a while. Nobody's saying he should come back full time, but he's recently dropped his wrestling name and it sure seems like he's trying to avoid wrestling questions when he's interviewed. If Dairy Queen made you millions of dollars and then asked you to make an appearance at their anniversary party, it would be nice of you to go. To everyone who's talking about him taking care of his family: He has one kid and, unless he did something extremely stupid, was already a multi-millionaire from wrestling alone. He also probably has alimony and child support every month since he and his wife are divorced now. Hmm, I wonder if she got half or if there was a prenup. |
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Post by SassovsHart on Dec 8, 2007 2:35:19 GMT -5
Imagine if someone worked for you for years, and then got another job based on the work he did for you. Wouldn't you be ever so slightly insulted if he tried his best to distance himself from you? I was apparently wrong about the straight to video releases, but come on. Guest starring on Hannah Montana is kind of scraping the bottom of the acting barrel. But that's apparently much more desirable than being the #1 guy in wrestling. I know others touched on this, but isn't Hannah hugely popular with the kids? I don't see how guest starring on a very popular Disney Channel show when you're trying to promote a Disney Family movie (which did very well) is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Besides what Hiroshi Hase said about the ratings, it was just a smart business decision in regards to promoting his movie. Does anyone have the numbers on what The Game Plan ended of grossing? |
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Post by Professor Chaos on Dec 8, 2007 2:43:45 GMT -5
I'd like to see him come back for the big pop someday, but really no sense wasting it on this since the show is already loaded anyways. I'd rather give the time on this show to all the other people they have lined up instead of having 20 minutes wasted on sing along with the Rock.
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 8, 2007 2:49:24 GMT -5
If they're responsible for your current success, then yes, you should say something nice about them every once in a while. Nobody's saying he should come back full time, but he's recently dropped his wrestling name and it sure seems like he's trying to avoid wrestling questions when he's interviewed. For using his nickname less, exactly why should he keep using it permanently? His name isn't "The Rock", it's Dwayne Johnson. What is wrong with him not using it if he's promoting other ventures? Why should he be restricted to using it for film credits? He's not a professional wrestler anymore and that was just his stage name. He's came back multiple times to put younger talent over, and he filmed a promo this year for Wrestlemania. I've yet to hear an interview with him where he spoke ill about his time as a wrestler, and overall he has been quite willing to acknowledge that that's where he came from. How exactly does this point to him distancing himself? When he's being interviewed, he's being interviewed for a specific purpose, a movie he doing, etc. They're not shoot interviews. If you're looking to get specific information out, you steer the answers to that. If he was really intending ot cut all ties, he wouldn't be in a movie with Khali. He doesn't owe jack to Vince. He's not under contract and he paid all his dues while under contract. Wrestling fans aren't entitled to retired performers returning every special event a promotion decides to hold. He didn't sell out by leaving one multi-million dollar, international organization to attempt to strike it on his own as an actor. Yes, he was made famous by the WWE, but he did the work and he made the company money. He's paid all his dues and it's absolute bullcrap to think that he owes someone because they watched him on free tv or bought a videogame with him on it. And frankly, making guest spots on shows more popular with their demographic than Raw is with its isn't exactly scrapign the bottom of the barrel, especially when it's to promote a movie geared largely to that audience. Scraping the bottom of the barrel would, I don't know, appearing in a made-for-tv Sci-Fi Channel horror movie alongside Joey Lawrence. |
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Post by Professor Chaos on Dec 8, 2007 2:50:51 GMT -5
Also if you've seen the recent pic of him without a shirt on TMZ it would look absolutely ridiculous to have him come out talking smack. Looks like he weighs about 160 pounds.
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Post by angryfan on Dec 8, 2007 3:12:54 GMT -5
How long does someone "owe" their former employer something? Do I owe Dairy Queen anything for employing me, when I was 16? Yes, as a matter of fact, you do. Here's your paper hat, now go work graveyard in some Ozarks DQ serving dip cones to some freak with one tooth named Elmer, who insists that you make a sundae for his hat. As far as the Rock goes, more power to him. He did the wrestling thing, was very successful, but chose to go the movie route, as many have tried, and is making, I'm guessing, three or four times what he made working for Vince. Take wrestling out of it. If you had a job, were successful, but then went elsewhere to make more money for less work, would you not jump all over that option? Then, if your former boss came to you and said "hey, we're getting the old office staff together for a reunion" would you feel obligated to be there for no other reason than you "owed" it to people who knew you from your previous job? Of course not. |
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Post by mothership on Dec 8, 2007 3:37:31 GMT -5
My earlier posts were just to point out that you've got a guy trying to distance himself from the business...while still using the business to promote himself...all be it indirectly, by coming on after the show. Personally, I don't want to see the Rock on my TV to start with. He gave me a few entertaining moments, but I always thought a lot of his humor was forced...but that's just me. Then for the longest time, it seemed like WWE told everyone to cut promos in the style of the Rock...even today some seem to be doing this...and personally, I'd rather Vince say, hey guys, let's start cutting promos in the style of Ricky Morton, daddy! Rock-N-Roll is here stay, daddy...
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Post by angryfan on Dec 8, 2007 3:48:30 GMT -5
Could always be worse, mothership, they could demand that everyone cut promos in a manner befitting Bill Alfonso. Granted, that'd pretty much be a Ricky Morton promo, except more high pitched, with whistle-blowing action, but still...
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Post by hobo on Dec 8, 2007 3:49:42 GMT -5
Guest starring on Hannah Montana is kind of scraping the bottom of the acting barrel. But that's apparently much more desirable than being the #1 guy in wrestling. Hannah Montana is insanely popular with 12 and 13 year old girls. And before you laugh, consider this. Parents buy their 12 and 13 year old daughters a lot of stuff. Not a bad market to try to tap into. |
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Post by Joekishi on Dec 8, 2007 4:16:01 GMT -5
Speaking of the Rock. I can't wait to see Get Smart, in theatres 2008. The Great Khali and Steve Carrell epic showdown!  |
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Post by shockthaworld2 on Dec 8, 2007 4:26:05 GMT -5
Since Mr. Johnson declined the invite....My sig. is the new ad at the top |
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Post by capnsteve on Dec 8, 2007 4:42:36 GMT -5
And frankly, making guest spots on shows more popular with their demographic than Raw is with its isn't exactly scrapign the bottom of the barrel Really? Do you think other actors are upset that they didn't get the part of "tough guy out of his element"? Maybe he can compete with Tim Allen for a spot in The Santa Clause 4. People are missing the point with the Dairy Queen comparison. Dwayne Johnson didn't get any movie roles, The Rock did. His success as an actor is entirely based on his success as a wrestler. He knows that, too, or else he would have dropped his nickname immediately. |
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 8, 2007 8:49:02 GMT -5
Really? Do you think other actors are upset that they didn't get the part of "tough guy out of his element"? Maybe he can compete with Tim Allen for a spot in The Santa Clause 4. Given that he wanted to do comedy roles from the start (and has said directly as much), there's nothing low about beginning his non-action career with a major motion picture company that has specialized in family films. To promote it, he appears in guest sports and such. It's hardly rocket science. People are missing the point with the Dairy Queen comparison. Dwayne Johnson didn't get any movie roles, The Rock did. His success as an actor is entirely based on his success as a wrestler. He knows that, too, or else he would have dropped his nickname immediately. If an architect was made famous solely because of a building he designed for you, that doesn't mean he has to come to your Christmas parties. Yes, it catapulted him into being an actor, everyone knows that. That doesn't mean that he owes anyone anything anymore. Exactly what does he have to do to pay off his debt? He was a big reason wrestling is what it is today. He gave his matches, performances and promos when he was a performer. Vince made him famous, yes, but Rock made Vince a shit-ton of money and was monumental in making sure that Vince was still in business. A big part of the reason why Vince is where he is today is because of the Rock, so I'm not buying the idea that the Rock was in such a hypothetical debt that the money he made and the years he entertained before leaving, while coming back multiple times to help try to put things over, means he still owes Vince or wrestling fans anything. No one is entitled to a lifetime commitment from former employees, and fans sure as hell aren't entitled to those they like appearing in perpetuity. |
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Post by Red 'n' Black Reggie on Dec 8, 2007 8:54:31 GMT -5
this thread is just one big reminder that you can't spell "analogy" without "anal".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2007 11:18:44 GMT -5
Guest starring on Hannah Montana is kind of scraping the bottom of the acting barrel. But that's apparently much more desirable than being the #1 guy in wrestling. Hannah Montana is insanely popular with 12 and 13 year old girls. And men in there 20s... Oops did I say that out loud? The bottom line is for every dollar The Rock made in the WWF, Vince probably made ten. |
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Post by amsiraK on Dec 8, 2007 11:41:44 GMT -5
I still can't believe people take issue with where The Rock's career has gone. He's doing Disney. Oh Noeeez! Disney projects are well funded, big money makers for the most part. Why would he EVER want that?
The flip side of this would have been Hulk Hogan's ridiculous and largely unwatchable cinematic career. I prefer The Rock's direction.
And The Rock doesn't owe Vince. While his status as a wrestler got his foot in the door of the entertainment industry, it's his effort and his effort alone that keeps him there. And frankly, it was his effort that made him a successful wrestler in the first place. Vince gave him the opportunity and Dwayne Johnson has paid him back many times over. Besides, since what's waiting for him is probably another Freakin' Diva segment, can any of us blame him?
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Post by Erik Majorwitz on Dec 8, 2007 12:05:42 GMT -5
I don't think The Rock's or Hogan's movie career is anything to wish for.
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Post by Jack on Dec 8, 2007 12:10:14 GMT -5
Wrestling is the whole reason why Hollywood producers took a chance on Rock in the first place. A guy who came with a huge fan-base, ready made charisma and was already one of the most marketable commodities for those aged 14-35.
Without wrestling producers are looking at a very average actor with probably a much higher pay demand than those who are a lot better than him. I'll bet soon Rock will need to come back to wrestling as there won't be much else for him to do.
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