Erik Majorwitz
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
I don't have a PS3.
Longest Crapper- Laying it across the table
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Post by Erik Majorwitz on Dec 8, 2007 12:11:37 GMT -5
Wrestling is the whole reason why Hollywood producers took a chance on Rock in the first place. A guy who came with a huge fan-base, ready made charisma and was already one of the most marketable commodities for those aged 14-35. Without wrestling producers are looking at a very average actor with probably a much higher pay demand than those who are a lot better than him. I'll bet soon Rock will need to come back to wrestling as there won't be much else for him to do. He basically only gets the roles Vin Diesel turns down at this point.
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Hiroshi Hase
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The Good Ol' Days
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on Dec 8, 2007 12:21:04 GMT -5
I don't think The Rock's or Hogan's movie career is anything to wish for. The money that comes along with it is. I mean, how long before he's "paid his debt" of supposedly owing us anything? 1 year? 2 years? 10?
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Post by #Classic Hi-Definition X on Dec 8, 2007 12:46:36 GMT -5
Yeah, seriously. I can't believe people are still arguing over this. Just because Rock isn't showing up doesn't automatically mean he's not grateful for wrestling has done for him.
And I still agree with those who say he doesn't owe wrestling or its fans anything. He's already done his time.
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Post by skillz on Dec 8, 2007 12:50:04 GMT -5
I've said before, some posters here have a very unreasonable expectation of wrestlers, as if they are supposed to act and feel differently than "normal" people.
I won't repeat much of what has already been said, but if he's moved on, more power to him.
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Post by shockthaworld2 on Dec 8, 2007 13:13:01 GMT -5
wow my sig gets no sold.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2007 15:00:00 GMT -5
holy... did you photoshop Warrior in there or... SPOILERZ ZOMG!!! Warrior may or may not be returning to Raw.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Dec 8, 2007 16:48:05 GMT -5
I think what makes me call him a dick, is, and someone correct me if I'm wrong here. His last live appearance was in a Diva Search segment, and last video appearance was hype for WM23. If the guy is really done with wrestling and has no desire to go back to it, I say he at least owes it to the fans to retire properly; make a short appearance (even a videotaped segment would suffice), say your farewell and let it be at that. How many wrestlers have retired and said farewell? Heck, most of them aren't ALLOWED to do that.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Dec 8, 2007 16:49:30 GMT -5
Good. I hope he never comes back personally. No argument from this panel. The Rock is one of the most overrated wrestlers in history and his whole gimmick was just him saying stupid catchphrases all the time. Basically he was the prototype for Mr. Kennedy. I'm guessing the Rock couldn't care less what you two think.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Dec 8, 2007 16:57:04 GMT -5
But it would be Rocky Johnson's day correct? If they really wanted him to be in the hall, they could have had Pat Patterson induct him and call it a day. And then all anyone would have talked about was the fact that his own son didn't even show up and it would've ruined "Rocky's day." There's a lot more to it than that. I'm curious, did people throw a fit when Barry Windham didn't induct Blackjack Mulligan?
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Post by themanwithnoname on Dec 8, 2007 17:08:01 GMT -5
How long does someone "owe" their former employer something? Do I owe Dairy Queen anything for employing me, when I was 16? If they're responsible for your current success, then yes, you should say something nice about them every once in a while. Nobody's saying he should come back full time, but he's recently dropped his wrestling name and it sure seems like he's trying to avoid wrestling questions when he's interviewed. If Dairy Queen made you millions of dollars and then asked you to make an appearance at their anniversary party, it would be nice of you to go. To everyone who's talking about him taking care of his family: He has one kid and, unless he did something extremely stupid, was already a multi-millionaire from wrestling alone. The WWF didn't make the Rock millions of dollars the Rocks and WWF as partners made each other millions of dollars. Just because he made a lot of money doesn't make him obligated to show up. If you made a ton of money at your company and then went on to work at another company are you forever obligated to your old company if they want you to promote things? Of course not!
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Post by themanwithnoname on Dec 8, 2007 17:10:06 GMT -5
My earlier posts were just to point out that you've got a guy trying to distance himself from the business...while still using the business to promote himself...all be it indirectly, by coming on after the show. Personally, I don't want to see the Rock on my TV to start with. He gave me a few entertaining moments, but I always thought a lot of his humor was forced...but that's just me. Then for the longest time, it seemed like WWE told everyone to cut promos in the style of the Rock...even today some seem to be doing this...and personally, I'd rather Vince say, hey guys, let's start cutting promos in the style of Ricky Morton, daddy! Rock-N-Roll is here stay, daddy... How is he usingthe business to promote himself, he doesn't even use his wrestling name anymore. He worked out a business agreement to have the WWE promote his movies, that's it.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Dec 8, 2007 17:13:39 GMT -5
I don't think The Rock's or Hogan's movie career is anything to wish for. Hulk Hogan made several million dollars off his movies and the Rock is making no less then 5 million dollars movies, sometimes close to 10 million a movie. Unless you're a multi-millionaire I'm guessing that you had that kind of success.
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Post by themanwithnoname on Dec 8, 2007 17:14:49 GMT -5
Wrestling is the whole reason why Hollywood producers took a chance on Rock in the first place. A guy who came with a huge fan-base, ready made charisma and was already one of the most marketable commodities for those aged 14-35. Without wrestling producers are looking at a very average actor with probably a much higher pay demand than those who are a lot better than him. I'll bet soon Rock will need to come back to wrestling as there won't be much else for him to do. People like you have been saying this for 5 years yet he's still getting high paid gigs so obviously you're wrong.
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Post by capnsteve on Dec 9, 2007 0:55:02 GMT -5
What is with you guys talking about debts and obligations? I'm not saying he should be thrown in jail, I just think he's kind of an asshole.
I can't really believe that people think his acting career is going well. He made a good movie (The Rundown), then a slightly less good movie (Walking Tall), then a football movie (Gridiron Gang), then a football comedy (The Gameplan). You really don't see a bit of a downward slope?
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 9, 2007 0:57:57 GMT -5
What is with you guys talking about debts and obligations? I'm not saying he should be thrown in jail, I just think he's kind of an asshole. I can't really believe that people think his acting career is going well. He made a good movie (The Rundown), then a slightly less good movie (Walking Tall), then a football movie (Gridiron Gang), then a football comedy (The Gameplan). You really don't see a bit of a downward slope? you forgot Doom
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Dec 9, 2007 1:00:33 GMT -5
What is with you guys talking about debts and obligations? I'm not saying he should be thrown in jail, I just think he's kind of an asshole. I can't really believe that people think his acting career is going well. He made a good movie (The Rundown), then a slightly less good movie (Walking Tall), then a football movie (Gridiron Gang), then a football comedy (The Gameplan). You really don't see a bit of a downward slope? Downward slope? Correct me if I'm wrong, but "The Game Plan" is the most financially successful movie he's made yet! (If you don't count "The Mummy Returns")
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Post by capnsteve on Dec 9, 2007 2:36:41 GMT -5
Possibly. According to imdb.com, most of his movies have lost money (although Hollywood is well known for shady accounting), but there's more to success than money. Doing family comedies by Disney only leads to more of the same. Like someone else said, he's becoming Vin Diesel light.
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Post by kickassforumguyme on Dec 9, 2007 2:38:57 GMT -5
I think the Rock is smart. If I was him I would seperate myself as far away from wrestling as possible.
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Post by mothership on Dec 9, 2007 3:13:18 GMT -5
My earlier posts were just to point out that you've got a guy trying to distance himself from the business...while still using the business to promote himself...all be it indirectly, by coming on after the show. Personally, I don't want to see the Rock on my TV to start with. He gave me a few entertaining moments, but I always thought a lot of his humor was forced...but that's just me. Then for the longest time, it seemed like WWE told everyone to cut promos in the style of the Rock...even today some seem to be doing this...and personally, I'd rather Vince say, hey guys, let's start cutting promos in the style of Ricky Morton, daddy! Rock-N-Roll is here stay, daddy... How is he usingthe business to promote himself, he doesn't even use his wrestling name anymore. He worked out a business agreement to have the WWE promote his movies, that's it. Because the studios still plug his movies during wrestling? Because he records segments that air directly after Raw directed at wrestling fans and promoting his new movies? And has he actually dropped "the Rock" yet? I've seen Dwayne "the Rock" Johnson a few times recently, but I have yet to see him billed strictly as Dwyane Johnson...I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I haven't seen it.
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Post by dh03grad on Dec 9, 2007 3:52:54 GMT -5
How is he usingthe business to promote himself, he doesn't even use his wrestling name anymore. He worked out a business agreement to have the WWE promote his movies, that's it. Because the studios still plug his movies during wrestling? Because he records segments that air directly after Raw directed at wrestling fans and promoting his new movies? And has he actually dropped "the Rock" yet? I've seen Dwayne "the Rock" Johnson a few times recently, but I have yet to see him billed strictly as Dwyane Johnson...I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I haven't seen it. The only time I have EVER seen what you described was for Doom. Even if the studio took out ad space after Raw for other films, so what? WWE didnt promote the Gameplan, its made $103 million pre video sales. If Chris Jericho won acting roles of note and was able to support himself solely through that over his 2 year sabbatical, do you think he'd be back today? Bret Hart took 6 months off in 1996 to try to pursue that. Hulk Hogan had 2 lengthy absences in the early 90s to pursue an acting career.Roddy Piper "retired" in 1987 to pursue acting. They all failed. The Rock was able to outgrow wrestling in a way no one else has. Appreciate the 8 years Dwayne gave us. When the WWE hit a rough stretch post Invasion, he came back to put people over to help the company out anyway. Let the man go.
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