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Post by eJm on Jan 13, 2024 17:39:46 GMT -5
Is this the FIRST back to back wins? That it is.
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Post by eJm on Jan 13, 2024 17:39:32 GMT -5
ANDRE COLE, BAY BAY!
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Post by eJm on Jan 13, 2024 16:05:16 GMT -5
The fact that people are still saying AEW/Jericho should deny something happened when we still don’t know what happened in the first place and nobody has said what’s happened (something I’ve asked for new info about repeatedly from people who keep saying it’s there) is why we’re going in circles in this thing in the first place. They could have denied he was under investigation, which was directly asked. But what would he be under investigation for? Nobody has actually come out and accused him of anything and why I said I asked for that repeatedly. AEW isn't going to answer for something there's no question for. I'm very lost as I haven't been keeping up with this so pardon if this all sounds ignorant- But is the story now that it's been proven that Jericho didn't do anything that bad but the public is still treating him like he did? What's with the New Jack analogy? He hasn't been proven to have done anything bad because nobody's said anything about him doing anything bad. There's nothing to prove in or deny right now. And the New Jack analogy is them playing his music after he came out and during the rest of the segment, likely to drown out potential booing.
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Post by eJm on Jan 13, 2024 14:28:22 GMT -5
Am I the only one who gets the impression people are using the Hausman comments as a reason to justify disliking Chris Jericho and/or Tony Khan? Like like or dislike, there's plenty of reason for both towards both guys but feels like people are hanging onto that one comment made out of spite as a reason to justify their feelings. Very much so and honestly, in this situation and this situation only, it’s pretty gross. There are things you can say about both men that you can dislike with actual reasons to do so if you so wish but this case just feels disrespectful not just to the people like Kylie Rae but anyone who might be trying to get the courage to say something about an incident involving him or anyone else of that profile in the business (because there are people from the indies to WWE who have had accusations told about and either ignored or waited until it was a few months before they presumed people forgot).
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Post by eJm on Jan 13, 2024 11:47:14 GMT -5
Are we really comparing a man who was arrested by police and likely had eye witnesses and statements concerning the events last year to something that hasn’t had any new info or anything of real substance come out for 5 years?
Seriously, explain it to me like I’m 5 because I don’t know what’s going on anymore.
EDIT: Also, if you really want something to dislike Jericho for, look up a petition he signed today and, obviously, don’t bring that up here but my point is there is proof he signed it by looking at it.
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Post by eJm on Jan 13, 2024 3:21:32 GMT -5
The fact that people are still saying AEW/Jericho should deny something happened when we still don’t know what happened in the first place and nobody has said what’s happened (something I’ve asked for new info about repeatedly from people who keep saying it’s there) is why we’re going in circles in this thing in the first place.
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Post by eJm on Jan 12, 2024 15:24:39 GMT -5
One of the cornerstones of the company is being booed out of every building with a noticeable chunk of people chanting at him that he's an abuser. To the point they are piping in his music to drown it out. That's pretty unprecedented and a good reason to address it. But I've asked this so many times in these threads and I'll ask it again; what is being addressed? What new stuff has come to light in the last 5 years would be worthy of addressing at this point? There isn't anything that's come out to cause any need to address anything except the crowd reactions. We're not talking about a new Dark Side of the Ring or a random Netflix documentary rekindling a subject. There's nothing new here except to remind people it's out there. If there is something else I'm not seeing or other people aren't seeing, I'd very much like to know at this point because we're talking about a decades long career that could be hindered by the revelation he did something "worthy" of what Hausman said. And in terms of Jericho's rep? Like, if a story comes out, that's when the concern should come in. Like Cyno said, you'd end up just making people think there's something to it if it's brought up, like AEW are actually covering it up or there really is an NDA.
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Post by eJm on Jan 12, 2024 14:21:51 GMT -5
Why do AEW go over their 2 hours?! Are they STUPID?!?! Is there a lore reason why there’s always an overrun on Dynamite? They ask TBS for permission for an overrun. That's it, really.
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Post by eJm on Jan 12, 2024 14:09:27 GMT -5
This is presuming a world where Jericho is innocent and Kylie's likes have been misinterpreted. In which case... yeah I think it would be fair enough to ask if she'd make that clear and stop the guy being hounded. And in that case, Jericho himself would be a victim of something very serious and deserve support. Even then, it's under the assumption there is anything to address at all. Nothing has been said by anyone outside of an exceedingly unreliable source from 5 years ago. There isn't really a case for Jericho to be "innocent" of. Which leads us into... If there's nothing to really address or claim for, this isn't them riding it out as much as going on business as usual because nobody has a reason (outside of crowd reactions) to address it. Which is the issue, again, with trying to throw stuff out there without the care and reporting that'd go into it. And then this thing keeps going in circles and we keep trying to presume there are grounds when there are no grounds but people want to think they're grounds for various reasons so...yeah.
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Post by eJm on Jan 12, 2024 11:02:14 GMT -5
It's a good sign of faith that TBS let's them have a overrun most weeks. The network could easily say no and pull the plug. Like, to add to this, it wasn't that long ago where every Raw had an overrun even though there was zero reason to have one and it was just recently USA put the kibosh on it.
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Post by eJm on Jan 12, 2024 10:18:17 GMT -5
Roman wasn't advertised for Money in the Bank 2023 and wound up working the show. I feel like he may not even have been advertised for SummerSlam at first. That's why I'm not taking that as gospel. Plans change. London was going to sell out the WWE show if the main event was Otis vs. Baron Corbin so I don't know if that's a comparison to make. Even Super Showdown needed Undertaker/HHH to push things across the line ticket wise.
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Post by eJm on Jan 12, 2024 10:01:21 GMT -5
I mean, someone can be added to advertising in a minute? I'm not sure this really says much of anything, respectfully. Sure, but it'd be sort of one of the thing you do to sell a big PPV to a crowd that hasn't really had one before is to advertise Roman, arguably your biggest star, into being there. He can still be booked last minute but it is a super weird thing to not have happen yet when there are still seats to sell.
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Post by eJm on Jan 12, 2024 9:51:14 GMT -5
That isn't accurate. The thread of Tweets she put the heart at the end of included the very specific accusation around Jericho and her. For the whole 'well it could mean anything/be a misunderstanding'... Chris Jericho is being crucified for this. It's significantly damaging his reputation and career. Why wouldn't he/AEW have contacted Kylie to take it down or explain that it doesn't mean what people think it does? This has been going on for weeks now. I'm not saying he deserves to be a pariah based off little information. But this situation isn't as simple as some are making out.The bolded part is accurate but not for the reasons you're saying. Mostly because we don't know the context for the entire situation. We don't know if there's an NDA, we don't know if there's a trigger for an NDA to be breached, we don't know if interacting with Kylie will have her have a breakdown or if it'll set off something where AEW is in trouble for damages. Hell, we don't know why Kylie liked the tweets, people can like tweets for any reason and for all the people out there being like "Well, clearly that means _______", there's nobody stating an answer. So AEW going out of its way to be like "Take down those likes" has no basis of it happening because there's no other story to go off. Like, again, if Hausman reported on Kylie's behalf or a story came out from him with cases of this happening, this would be an entirely different ballgame. There would be reason to think certain ways about people, Twitter likes would have context and AEW would be forced to send Jericho home because there would be a reason to investigate. The key thing right now is there's nothing solid to go on to continue anything which makes this whole thing a complete mess. People can only say so much because there's only so much. I don't mean to be repeating my points but there's no other points to repeat because there are barely any points there. Because nobody has the right or the moral authority to make her do that. It's disrespectful as all get-out and doesn't support victims. And right after I posted that, you summarized it all better.
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Post by eJm on Jan 12, 2024 9:11:13 GMT -5
Part of me often wonders about the (achingly white) brain trust that concocted that promo and how many times they had to say "it's not racist cause Jinder is a POC" before it stank up our TV screens. I'd love to be a fly on the wall to see Jinder and Shinsuke's reaction when the segment was pitched, you could probably get an episode of Curb outta the cringe. Feel like one of the reasons WWE settled in that court case against the ex-writer was so nobody ever found out how stuff like that happens because I'm pretty sure it went that exact way.
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Post by eJm on Jan 12, 2024 7:29:57 GMT -5
The thing, too, is that her liking tweets doesn't put weight into anything. As Zone said, there are several different factors towards liking a tweet to the point we've had several controversies judging people by the stuff they like on Twitter which can be a show of character but sometimes it can be something someone can relate to at that time and the reason I'm putting it on that level is because nothing's come out about it. It's at the level of a wrestler liking a tweet saying they deserve better because we don't have the context or mindset of that person who liked it.
Hausman's still on Twitter trying to act like he did something and judging Jericho and AEW's every move involving this when the likely reason people like Sean Ross Sapp or others haven't either heard anything or put anything out might be because he's made it harder for those people to say something. For all we know, he could be Harvey Weinstein, it could be something much bigger than we've seen or can figure out but nothing's happened and Hausman's done nothing about it except say he used all trudging up potential trauma from people for settling a grudge.
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Post by eJm on Jan 12, 2024 6:01:07 GMT -5
Being in Philadelphia for WrestleMania weekend is the closest Nailz and WWE will be to "working" with each other again.
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Post by eJm on Jan 12, 2024 4:52:18 GMT -5
No! The last thing that needs to happen is for Hausman to get any kind of recognition nor publicity. Just let him be as obscure as possible. I didnt mean Jericho saying his name but just calling him "a doofus who is part of the Pepsi federation" something along those words, staying silent so far doesnt seem to be working for Jericho.
But then we’d be bringing up something that, again, is just a guy saying shit. And you can’t be cutting a promo on every guy who said shit or else Seth Rollins would have cut a promo on Will Ospreay in 2019 after their Twitter spat and countless other things that are just people saying shit. Which goes to my core point, you can’t address every thing someone says that doesn’t have much to it or else wrestling companies would be full of responding to the comments of podcasters and hasbeens. Unless we’re prepared for wrestling’s version of Secret Base’s Beef History series.
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Post by eJm on Jan 12, 2024 4:28:33 GMT -5
Like, maybe it’s because I stream Dynamite through Fite that it feels like the most minor thing in the world. Especially since we get the AEW feed rather than the broadcast one.
Also, Dave Meltzer wasted most of his day arguing with people about it and, in terms of stuff that might be wrong with AEW, it feels so minor.
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Post by eJm on Jan 11, 2024 11:18:36 GMT -5
It's definitely a weird feeling because my first instinct is to remain mad. But we can't prove anything, so then I feel like a hypocrite. Then I remember that there's at least some sort of activity that suggests something bad went down. But still, we don't have anything concrete. The way Hausman went about all of this really, really sucks. And that's the worst thing about it, it puts most people in a flux of either being mad at something that didn't happen or ignoring something that absolutely did and there's no way to say either way because the way Hausman put it out there is frustrating and demeaning to those who may or may not have been affected. Agreed. Like, ideally, I'd rather have answers now but either nobody's willing to talk (understandably for many reasons) or it's much ado about nothing which helps nothing and nobody. I also don't mean to be going outside of the topic but man, this is such a black cloud that unlike other situations, has literally no answer of how to rightly deal with it.
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Post by eJm on Jan 11, 2024 10:37:26 GMT -5
I think it’s people acting like something’s being swept under the rug. Like… what is? Someone liking tweets and stuff from 5 years ago? There’s nothing much anyone can go on nor anything people can address. And it’s affecting the product in a way that addressing it won’t do much good because, again, nothing to address or take Jericho off TV for. Like, hey, if people want me to be annoyed about what Jericho did, someone needs to tell me from an eye witness about what Jericho actually did first. Instead, as others have said, we’re supposed to assume something (even if there’s a chance it happened and it’s not me ruling it out) just because people online believed as much. It’s all sad for those actually being affected by anything that happened. Booing Jericho but cheering Flair is ridiculous. Cheering Flair at all is ridiculous and shows that the crowd reaction has nothing to do with the allegations at all. Anyone who says they care about sexual harrassment/abuse shouldn't be cheering Flair. Like…we know what happened with Flair. There was a Dark Side of the Ring about it. There were others saying stories. And he still has work for reasons any of us can’t understand.
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