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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 17, 2009 8:43:57 GMT -5
Did it really take this long?
Edit: Forgot to mention, his WCW theme rocked too.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 17, 2009 7:26:23 GMT -5
I would just sell the DVDs.
If you really care about them for entertainment value you can easily just copy them onto writables or a hard drive for viewing later. Then you can sell the originals and make some cutter.
Theres really no reason for keeping the originals beyond flexing your collection but lets be honest here, how many people would actually care how many wrestling DVDs you own?
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 17, 2009 7:15:21 GMT -5
He also let Warrior run into him once and bounce off instead of getting tangled in the ropes as was the planned spot as Warrior was getting rougher with that spot as there matches on the house circuit progressed. Again just to show Warrior 'who's boss' To all of us Andre will always be the best World World Tag Team champion that ever lived. We will never forget that time he won an imaginary belt from Hogan and gave a heart felt speech about him and surrendering his imagenery belt to his imaginary tag team partner. ;D ;D Again, as far as total career decline, I think Andre fell from a greater distance. He went from being legitimately the feature attraction whereever in the WORLD he went and the most famous wrestler in the world, to being cannon fodder for steroid-fueled musclemen like Hogan and the Warrior to beat on. If there is a greater height to fall from that that from which the Giant fell, I have yet to see it. Andre was just passing the torch though. His career was coming to an end...its like saying Ric Flair went from being the featured attraction of the NWA, leader of the greatest stable in wrestling history to being a whipping boy for the nWo, then a most of the time jobber in WWE...making him a story of tragic decline. Thats just the way things go. People get older, younger guys become the focus and the old timers put them over and retire. I am assuming this topic is supposed to be more about guys who were very successful but fizzled out quickly and suddenly, driving them to become shadows of their former selves ala Roberts and Hall. If its just about guys who were huge draws and champions who went on to get overtaken by younger stars they had to put over we would be talking about almost every successful wrestler in history who didn't retire while they were on top. That would be a long list.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 17, 2009 7:06:49 GMT -5
I voted for Andre And I suspect Sid is not on the list because he sucks. Eh, there are other sucky guys on the list. I agree though, Sid really shouldn't be considered among the best big men. Bam Bam should be considered. Always was entertained by the guy and he put on a lot of great matches and was very athletic. Vader is still tops though, I cant see why anyone could make a case that he isn't, unless they ONLY saw his WWF run which isn't fair to him at all. As for Taker, he is good and has definitely improved over time. I would put him in the top five easily. However, I fail to see how he could be considered better than Bigelow and ESPECIALLY Vader.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 17, 2009 6:56:22 GMT -5
In my opinion, it depends on WHERE Danielson makes his debut. If you bring him in to one of the places where ROH has a decent fanbase (NYC, Philly, etc.), then there is a possibility that he could have a good debut. WWE were absolute geniuses for having Punk debut at the Hammerstein as opposed to some generic arena. Eh, give Heyman the credit not WWE. He was the one who wanted Punk for the relaunched ECW and he was also the guy with the book in ECW at that time. I do not hold out much hope for Danielson in WWE. I was hoping he would go to TNA where he could get a fair shake. In WWE he is just going to be a little guy for the big guys to beat up on. Either that or he will get the Charlie Haas treatment where they talk about how great of a wrestler and what an impressive athletic background he has while he jobs night in and night out with no chance to show it. If neither of these happen I will be absolutely shocked. I think the BEST possible thing that may happen to him is he goes the Bourne route, debuts on ECW and puts on some exciting matches, gains momentum, gets drafted to one of the big shows and ends up being a ragdoll for whoever the writers are high on at the time. I also dont get why people think he will just debut immediately on WWE TV as if he was a TNA main eventer signing or something. He is going to be in developmental for awhile. Every other indie guy they signed was and he will be no different.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 17, 2009 5:59:27 GMT -5
Seemed pretty obvious to me.
The production guys missed the cue to play Kofis music [which was stupid anyway if you ask me, the music bit wasnt needed considering the set was so small this week and Kofi could have just ran out there], which forced Orton to stop his own punt.
Orton knew it and was POed about it, so he shrugged at the camera to say WTF GUYS.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 17, 2009 5:52:12 GMT -5
This is why the WWE need face and heel announcer teams. It gets SO annoying hearing the announcers shill for every face and take any opportunity to talk about how wrong and evil anything a heel does is.
I mean, even the Swoggle vs. Chavo thing I could stomach if there was a heel announcer yelling about how unfair it is to Chavo every week, and pointing out to Cole the stupidity of him being upset when Chavo attacks Swoggle during a sanctioned wrestling match that he agreed to.
Instead we get two annoying kiss asses giggling at Chavo the entire time like a poor mans laugh track, and both running down Chavo everytime he defends himself.
Then a few weeks later they both have to make excuses for HHH when he does WORSE than Chavo by lying and tricking Horny into getting Pedigreed when it wasn't even a match. It just doesn't jive with me and helps to make everything feel forced when two guys are both supporting the exact same people and have the exact same opinions on every situation.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 17, 2009 5:38:06 GMT -5
Speaking strictly career wise, when I think decline, I think Jake Roberts.
Hall is another obvious choice, but he had a very successful career, really. Especially in comparison to Jake.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 17, 2009 5:21:10 GMT -5
WWE didn't drop the ball on anything. They got rid of Burke due to his attitude. WWE is cautious with young talent after having Brock Lesnar and Bobby Lashley walk out on them after getting huge pushes. They also do not want another Randy Orton, a guy who becomes a big enough star that they can't get rid of regardless of his attitude and how many incidents there are with him. Burke is just some geek who thinks everybody is stealing his moves and marks out for people praising him on internet wrestlling sites and ranking high in internet polls. This is the guy who after a match in OVW told the locker room "try following that". They dont want another Randy Orton? Tell me why Orton has been continually pushed to the moon despite his attitude problems then? Maybe because his family ties? If he can get away with trashing hotel rooms, smoking weed in the back, harassing divas, etc. etc. all while being pushed for six years and counting, I think Burke can get away with being cocky around some developmental scrubs. Keep in mind, I like Orton. Just saying that if he can have a bad attitude and get away with it I dont see why I should care if Burke has one. Besides that, I dont give a crap how these guys act backstage as long as they are willing to go out there and do their job. Burke always did, and did it well. Its not like he was out there shooting on John Cena, doing coke off a divas ass before his match, or refusing to job. So I still say WWE dropped a 50 pound bowling ball when they took him off TV and later released him.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 17, 2009 5:08:26 GMT -5
I really doubt it as I cant see Vince wanting to job Cena to a guy who isn't going to be around much longer, and he wont book Taker to job at WM either.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 17, 2009 5:03:44 GMT -5
I didn't watch RAW but hopped on youtube just to check this out. It was an awesome segment. I just hope WWE actually rolls with this, it seems like anytime I get excited about something happening on RAW this year it either gets dropped and forgotten about or they turn the momentum in the opposite direction within a months time.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 17, 2009 3:23:45 GMT -5
That segment was a prime example of how to make a star. Other places like to just put a guy on a pedestal and proclaim that person as the future and use that as a way to get the guy over. No, this is how you do it. What places? Smackdown?
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 17, 2009 2:44:17 GMT -5
I really hope Brock can pull through and make a return.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 17, 2009 2:41:12 GMT -5
Vader, just ahead of Brock Lesnar. Agreed on all points.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 17, 2009 2:37:50 GMT -5
Russo is just another IWC monster under the bed. He gets way more hatred than he deserves, and most of the good things he does are ignored or downplayed.
All the proof you need is that a decent number of people on these boards STILL say they refuse to watch TNA because Russo is the head booker, even though TNA has been very well booked and largely devoid of stupid stuff for quite awhile now.
A lot of hardcore wrestling fans just want to stick their fingers in their ears and shout RUSSO RUSSO RUSSO anytime they see something on the screen they dont agree with.
The truth is there is no way to know who books what and whose idea is what until much after the fact and even then uninformed people will ignore the truth, such as Nash getting blamed for the Fingerpoke of Doom even though he wasn't booking then.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 17, 2009 1:03:29 GMT -5
First Eugene and now Hornswoggle. HHH likes to hurt the people that love him. HES TURNED ON EVERY FRIEND HE HAS EVER HAD!/kayfabe
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 17, 2009 1:02:40 GMT -5
If he Pedigrees Hornswoggle out of WWE, yes.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 17, 2009 0:58:57 GMT -5
Nope, still treated as faces by Cole for doing it since, uh... They're not Chavo? Gotta love WWE logic. Chavo is Hitler for trying to win matches against a midget that he doesn't even want to wrestle every week, but if HHH beats up on Hornswoggle for wearing a t shirt its okay.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 17, 2009 0:53:40 GMT -5
So, hey, ANOTHER NWO, and this time, they won't even be able to use the name. Fantastic. Yeah, it could never be a swerve. Never see them in wrestling. Based on Nash's vague statement we are pretty much guaranteed to see Hogan, Nash, and Hall run wild through TNA. And then it's also only a matter of time before Sean Waltman and Buff Bagwell show up. And what's Vincent/Virgil up to these days? I mean Russo would never play on the fears of the paranoid IWC and tease the return of the NWO. It has to be he's doing it! Everything in wrestling is as it seems. I would like to add that in addition to these things happening, its a lock that Hogan is going to use his power in TNA to force a retired Randy Savage to job another time. Dont ask how this makes sense! Hes going to do it somehow! Hogan signing with TNA has given him the powers of a god , the entire world is his mat to force everyone to lay down on now.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 16, 2009 22:11:25 GMT -5
We've had like 6 mins of wrestling the show before a PPV..... I was gonna watch for Piper, glad I didn't. Off to watch a movie now.
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