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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 6, 2009 13:38:24 GMT -5
I really hate when someone complains about something like this and then someone comes in and says:
WHO CARES?
I mean...maybe Jericho fans care. Maybe they get sick of seeing Triple H own Jericho everytime.
I know, I know...its just wrestling, its a fake sport, etc. yet still, everyone has their favorites.
Also, I dont see whats wrong with establishing one guy as superior to the other when its midcard vs. main eventer, but when its two main eventers YES, there is a problem. Two ME guys should be somewhat equal. There should be some doubt as to the outcome when they face each other. EG. HBK vs. Jericho. Anytime they wrestle you arent sure who is going to win. It makes things, you know...more exciting, more interesting? It makes you want to watch.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 6, 2009 13:30:44 GMT -5
The King Cobra.
It puts you down.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 6, 2009 13:27:53 GMT -5
As someone else said, HHH no sold the punt before.
Also, RVD got punted before and wasn't sent into time out. Although the punt hadnt been established yet at that point.
It wasn't so much Cena no selling the punt that bothered me as much as Cena no selling the entire HIAC match. I am starting to loathe John Cena as a performer just because the guy doesn't know how to sell during a match and outside of the ring WWE never wants to portray him as hurt or beaten up...not even for one week.
I mean think about that. HE WRESTLED A HIAC MATCH AND NO SOLD IT.
Satans structure my ass.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 6, 2009 13:21:22 GMT -5
I've never understood this obsession with Jericho HAVING to get a pin or look better than Triple H. I also don't understand the problem with establishing that one guy is just plain superior to another. ...and I dont see why Triple H has to pin Jericho every single time they are involved in a match together. If the outcome is always the same there is no point in even watching. If, say, Rock had always been established as superior to HHH with almost no chance of losing anytime they wrestled it would have made it feel like a waste of time anytime they squared off. If something like Triple H owning Jericho any chance he gets is THAT glaringly obvious its a problem, IMO. At the very least its bad booking. When two ME guys are in the ring there should at least be SOME doubt in my mind as to the outcome. I dont really care that DX beat Jerishow though. As long as Jerishow keep the titles they can lose non title matches all they want. I AM, however, pretty tired of Jericho being jobbed out in singles matches. Maybe its just selective memory but it sure feels like he loses a lot. Anytime he wins one anymore I feel surprised. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 6, 2009 2:50:43 GMT -5
Stealing Ric Flair's wallet.
I bet he could use that back right now.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 6, 2009 1:33:19 GMT -5
I haven't watched RAW since the beginning of August, but I may watch this one. I've enjoyed The Lonely Island since like 2005.
If anything, it'll at least have some funny moments.
As far as their comedy goes, anyone that is comparing Samberg and the rest to Dane Cook or saying they have to swear every 5 seconds to be funny just doesn't have a clue what they are talking about.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 6, 2009 1:16:35 GMT -5
It'll be fantastic when he does. I wonder how this self declared streak will go. *Swagger is cutting a promo next week about staying undefeated* "BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR APPLEDOUGGGGGGGGGGGH!" Cena: I don't think so, chum. *with that said, Cena rushes down to the ring with a ref, bell rings, Cena does the 5 MOD and Swagger taps to the STF in 2 seconds without even trying to reach for the ropes* ... I'd mark. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 6, 2009 1:12:25 GMT -5
Who really cares? Now is not the time for existential questions! THE HONOR OF CHRIS JERICHO MUST BE DEFENDED! |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 6, 2009 0:49:21 GMT -5
Considering all of the work he's had done to his legs and knees, I'm surprised he gets out there as quick as he does. It should only be a few more months before he retires. It's his last hurrah. The druids will be gone soon. As a big fan of his, I just want to see him go out on a high note (like WM 25) rather than as Zombie Hogan. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 5, 2009 23:52:05 GMT -5
I also do not care, for the record, what the IWC complains about. They complained about Rock or HHH ten years ago. It means nothing to me. My point is that HHH and Rocks various encounters were kept fresh using many factors, not just what gimmick they used in the match. No one is disagreeing with you. I'm simply pointing out that there was another match made under almost identical circumstances that everyone and their mother said would suck and turned out to be incredible. Thats all. Eh. I wouldn't know. Back in those days I didn't go on wrestling forums. I checked news sites and such but that was about it. I only started coming to forums when all my friends stopped watching because I had no one to talk about wrestling with anymore. I am just tired of people bringing up the Attitude Era and such when people make legit complaints about todays booking or wrestlers. If you do not like Cena someone has to bring up Austin or Rock and try to poke holes in them or how they were booked or whatever. Ten years ago was ten years ago, I was entertained then. Im not now. See what I am saying? |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 5, 2009 23:21:17 GMT -5
I also do not care, for the record, what the IWC complains about. They complained about Rock or HHH ten years ago. It means nothing to me. My point is that HHH and Rocks various encounters were kept fresh using many factors, not just what gimmick they used in the match.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 5, 2009 23:18:21 GMT -5
You are really reaching here. Rock and HHH were nowhere near as overdone as Cena and Orton at that point. I dont think they even had that many PPV singles matches against each other. There was the ladder match a few years prior when they were both midcarders, Backlash, and then the match you are talking about. I mean, I dont even care who wins this match anyways. Even if it ends up being a good match, I have no interest. It wont, though. Also, a No DQ stipulation on an Iron Man Match is just stupid, and goes to show you how much faith WWE has in these guys putting on a 60 minute showcase. Matches HHH/Rock have had on PPV leading up to their Iron Man Match: -Survivor Series 1996 (Rock teamed with Marc Mero, Jake Roberts and The Stalker to face HHH, Crush, Goldust and Jerry Lawler) -Fully Loaded 1998 -Summerslam 1998 -Over the Edge 1999 -Fully Loaded 1999 -Unforgiven 1999 (in a six-pack challenge that also included Kane, Big Show, Mankind, Undertaker and British Bulldog) -Survivor Series 1999 (in a triple threat that included Big Show) -Wrestlemania 2000 (in a fatal four way that included Mick Foley and Big Show) -Backlash 2000 Matches Randy Orton and John Cena have had on PPV: -Summerslam 2007 -Unforgiven 2007 -No Way Out 2008) -Wrestlemania XXIV (in a triple threat that included HHH) -Backlash 2008 (in a fatal four way that included HHH and JBL) -Night of Champions 2009 (in a triple threat that included HHH) -Summerslam 2009 -Breaking Point 2009 -Hell in a Cell 2009 I am talking singles only. Multiman matches keep things fresh. I mean, Orton was in that Vengeance match that had Cena, Foley, etc. but I am not going to use that as an example of a stale feud. Also, keep in mind some of Rock and HHHs matches were when they were midcarders going after the IC Title, and the fact that they switched alignments, gimmicks, stables, etc. helped to keep things fresh. That is a lot different from Cena vs. Orton. Staleness and being overdone have way more factors than simply the names on the card. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 5, 2009 23:01:14 GMT -5
More interesting would be, how many times has Jericho pinned HHH?
I cannot remember a single time. Although I wouldn't be surprised if one time he beat him in some throwaway tag match on free TV or something. That would be VINTAGE HHH!
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 5, 2009 22:58:06 GMT -5
I hope buyrates continue to plummet into the toilet. Its the only way anything in WWE is going to change.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 5, 2009 22:51:31 GMT -5
Well, I disagree. That was just Shawn running like an idiot and a bunch of run-ins before Taker saved it. Thats fair, but you're in the minority. I've seen that match actually rated five stars more than one place. I'm not even saying that this match will be good. I'm just saying that the parallels are there. -Rock and HHH had been feuding off and on for years -Rock, like Cena, was thought to be an awful wrestler who would never be able to hold up his end of a 60 minute match -HHH and Rock had had several good matches with each other, as have Orton and Cena Its no DQ so that should mask some of their weaknesses. I actually am optimistic they can pull it off. I'm certainly not willing to declare that the match will be a horrible failure before it even occurs. You are really reaching here. Rock and HHH were nowhere near as overdone as Cena and Orton at that point. I dont think they even had that many PPV singles matches against each other. There was the ladder match a few years prior when they were both midcarders, Backlash, and then the match you are talking about. I mean, I dont even care who wins this match anyways. Even if it ends up being a good match, I have no interest. It wont, though. Also, a No DQ stipulation on an Iron Man Match is just stupid, and goes to show you how much faith WWE has in these guys putting on a 60 minute showcase. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 5, 2009 20:11:04 GMT -5
I never liked Warrior. Even as a kid I disliked him and he was always a heel to me.
That said, this match was great. EVERYONE cared about it at the time and it was a topic of conversation amongst people in the same way you will hear people talking about the Super Bowl. I have never seen anything like that since. I am sure Hogan vs. Andre was probably similar but I was too young at the time to know anything about that.
It was also a great match, I remember loving it as a kid even though I was a huge Hulkamaniac at the time and hated that Warrior won.
Despite my dislike for Warrior and the fact that I think he was an awful wrestler, I still do not like how WWE take jabs at him every so often and do things to undermine his career. Its not like it was his fault Vince decided to push him. He was hugely over.
While watching the Warrior DVD I got some laughs out of it, but it was really petty. Things like making fun of his interviews as if almost everyone else at the time wasn't giving the same nonsensical, over the top promos in WWF. Also, pointing out what a bad wrestler he was as if he was the only musclebound stiff in history to get a huge push in pro wrestling.
The man who played the Ultimate Warrior might be a lunatic and a douchebag but the character of the Ultimate Warrior was hugely over. I wish WWE would just admit that and give the guy his due rather than lying all the time.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 5, 2009 17:51:39 GMT -5
Your boss is just trying to get himself over.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 5, 2009 17:46:34 GMT -5
That is true. WWE traditionally makes the heels deliberately wrestle a more boring style to better insure that they will be disliked and booed. You will especially notice this when a high flying face turns heel. Suddenly most of their exciting moves vanish from their repertoire, barring their finisher if its a top rope maneuver. That's not just WWE, that's any intelligent wrestler/wrestling fed anywhere. Point taken, however. Orton isn't the problem. Cutting his balls from underneath of him whenever he gets over for anything besides being a chicken-crap heel is. The worst that could happen is that a full on Orton face turn is prompted by the audience, but even that would take a long time. However, as soon as he got pops for trying to destroy the McMahon clan (which is a FACE thing to do, btw), the panic switch got flipped and they had to make Blandy Boreton appear out of thin air. Give Orton an actually credible stable. Give him an opponent that doesn't make him look stupid at every turn. Give him something to work with, and he can actually do something. Eh. ECW didn't do that. Neither did WCW. Just because you are a heel doesn't mean you need to be boring. I dont see why a heel getting a couple cheers or mini pops off a move or spot is that big of a deal. As long as he is booked well enough the crowd will still dislike him regardless of his ringwork. I just think its a lazy way of making the crowd dislike someone. "Okay, give him a long boring entrance, do lots of restholds and no high spots!" |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 5, 2009 17:39:04 GMT -5
PWInsider are saying the match will be an Iron Man Match. Wow. I mean I know Cena can go 40+ but that was against Shawn. Randy going 60? Maybe it'll only be 30? This isn't promising. Oh, we all know it will be 30. Then again, in an attempt to cater to the younger WWE audience they may go for a 15 minute Iron Man match ala the storymodes in WWE videogames. Totally unnecessary if you ask me. We all know Orton could fill up at least 30 minutes of the match with "stalking" and chinlocks. Better yet, stalking chinlocks! |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 5, 2009 17:35:35 GMT -5
Also, I suggest the match to be a Beat The Clock challenge to see who can beat MVP the fastest.
The winner gets to choose the gimmick for the Cena vs. Orton match at the following PPV.
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