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Post by rra on Jun 29, 2007 22:55:40 GMT -5
He was bitter at first, seemed to settle down, and then Owen died doing a stunt that he did not care for. That understandably made it worse. I think that eventually Bret made his peace, and that was what made it possible for him to participate in both the HOF and the DVD. Now, I think that he is just being fair and impartial in this situation. Plus, Bret didn't want to screw Harry Smith and other young Harts when they inevitably join the WWE. You know, I just thought of a REWRITING THE BOOK question...what if Bret Hart had jobbed to Shawn Michaels at Survivor Series 1997? I know, off topic, but imagine a whole different landscape in this alternate reality.
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Post by rra on Jun 29, 2007 22:43:11 GMT -5
He was bitter...but the past week he HAS shown real class. YEah, Bret would have had a good opportunity to bash on VKM and WWE this week...but instead, you know what he does? He actually tries to defend it in the face of ignorant media faces. Not as well as Chris Jericho, but hell if Bret Hart is defending VKM, that must mean something.
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 13:49:54 GMT -5
Holy crap. All of Benoit's title history details have been taken away. Like, the link to how he won all his titles is gone. Check out the title histories on wwe.com. Jeff Jarrett is the only other person in the recent title histories to get the same treatment. Nice to know that demanding that you get paid all of the money owed to you up front before jobbing to a woman after your contract expired gets you the same treatment from the WWE as killing your family. VKM doesn't tolerate any betrayal.
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Post by rra on Jun 29, 2007 23:20:12 GMT -5
Wrestling needs a major shake up. Things cannot continue the way they are. Be that a lack of a union, the punishing schedule, the steroid problem, matters relating to a lack of benefits and pensions, road expenses etc... If a Congressional investigation with the objective of protecting the performers is the way to go, then I support it. Again, as I wrote before, Wrestling and WWE needs a Congressional committee hearing this side of the one that smacked MLB hard between the eyes. Its just, I'm tired of reading about alot of my heroes as a kid, and favorites in the last few years, just found dead in their hotel room or going berzerk or killing themselves. Hell, its gotten to the point that unless the wrestler in question is a current star or is involved in something absolutely different and tragic (i.e. Benoit), the media doesn't even cover it. Just look at Martel and Bam Bam Bigelow.
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Post by rra on Jun 29, 2007 22:38:28 GMT -5
Folks, I've been MIA.
How was Warrior on Hannity & Colmes? Was he a psychojobber as usual?
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Post by rra on Jun 29, 2007 9:54:30 GMT -5
Just that he missed the show due to a "family emergency." That was the exact words used? Did they say it more than once? I remember the crowds chanting for Benoit.
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Post by rra on Jun 29, 2007 9:16:11 GMT -5
As long as they play Crazy Train when they introduce him, I'm all for it. And I'm shocked that Fox News would have a right wing nut job on, it's not like them at all. I doubt they know hes a right wing nut job, they will probably be pleasantly surprised You know, I would mark hard if someone outright asked Warrior if he took roids....and of course he would deny it, and then that person who asked busted out laughing. Really, if Warrior didn't take the roids, no one in Pro Wrestling did, as far as I am concerned.
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Post by rra on Jun 29, 2007 9:01:47 GMT -5
Man, Warrior a roid head telling Hannity & Colmes how its the godless liberals' fault for what happened.
I called it first.
Of course, its the same Warrior who wrote an epic book on his website in response to Iron Sheik insulting him at an autograph signing.
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 12:23:58 GMT -5
WWE should have an Employee Assistance Program (EAP) like any other decent company, where workers can see a counselor anonymously if they choose AND where they can be referred to a counselor if there are emplyer concerns. The idea of a therapist rambling around Titan Tower is ludicrous though--the WWE workers need the same privacy any other employee needs. QFT
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 0:18:34 GMT -5
And should Mark Calloway do so? I read of the early 1970s when the super stars (like Joe Morgan) of the MLB rightly went in the forefront with their strike against the owners. As a result, they got free agency to finally happen, safer playing conditions, more fair money cut of the profits, etc.....super stars that willingly took a bullet for every player. Of course I think he should, which is why I say he's the best chance of it ever happening. He's arguably the most respected superstar in the lockerroom, is independently wealthy (he's even invested in real estate) and has no fear of financial hard times if WWE fired him, and the fan backlash for firing one of their most popular wrestlers would give them a HUGE black eye. Triple H will tow the line because he's married to the family and not loyal to any of the boys in the lockerroom, but Mark could stand up to the WWE brass and call for change, and nearly everyone there would rally to his side. You're right.
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 0:12:11 GMT -5
Better yet, what if some stars actually put their company position and paychecks on the line to actually help push for a union? Absolutely, but we both know Triple H won't ever do that in a million years. Undertaker would be our only hope and if he didn't support it the issue would be dead in the water. And should Mark Calloway do so? I read of the early 1970s when the super stars (like Joe Morgan) of the MLB rightly went in the forefront with their strike against the owners. As a result, they got free agency to finally happen, safer playing conditions, more fair money cut of the profits, etc.....super stars that willingly took a bullet for every player.
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 0:04:36 GMT -5
Treating the wrestlers like employees instead of contract workers would be a good start. Giving them full medical benefits and an on-staff psychologist would be even better. Better yet, what if some stars actually put their company position and paychecks on the line to actually help push for a union?
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Post by rra on Jun 29, 2007 23:45:10 GMT -5
A well-staffed company should include a counselor. Making visits mandatory is another matter though. I would be all for it, but I'm not working 300 shows a year. Eventually, it would get a little annoying to the average worker. Unless Vince wants another Benoit mess, the workers will have to just deal with being annoyed. Besides, its the right thing to do.
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Post by rra on Jun 29, 2007 23:25:44 GMT -5
I think having a true counselor or shrink on the payroll would help matters.
The problem is, he/she could easily become a corrupted figure who is paid off or is told by the company to "clear" a wrestler or whatever nonsense.
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 12:22:57 GMT -5
It's absolutely ludicrous that neither DiBiase nor Andre (Winning it and immediately selling it doesn't count in my eyes) were ever given a "legitimate" run with the strap. Adding a new name to the list, Bam Bam Bigelow never won it, correct? Guy could move better than a lot of people half his size. I agree on Andre. As for Bam Bam, he was a real monster....I mean actually a monster that really acted the part of someone that just wants to HURT you. Not wrestle, not really to win, just to HURT you, DQ or not. Then he jobs to Lawrence Taylor, and that kills him. At least Bam Bam was used right in ECW.
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 12:18:14 GMT -5
No one mentioned Bulldog? For shame... I did (and if I didn't, I meant to)...and in the early 90s, he could have so cut it.
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 0:09:01 GMT -5
Mr. Perfect rocked. How could I forget him? And I would add Owen Hart too, but if he hadn't died, at best he would have been given a 30 day transitional reign as reward for his work for the company....hell, we could have gotten more "knock his leg right out under his leg" promos for my laughs. There's an urban legend that Owen was meant to become "The Game" and a run as champion. I've heard that too, but who knows. What I do know was, at the time of his death, Owen Hart and Jeff Jarrett were over with the crowds with the stupid Blue Blazer schtick, that worked in a seriously silly way this side of the F.B.I.
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 0:07:57 GMT -5
The other image is broken but I definitely agree with the Million Dollar Man. I honestly believed wrestling was real back in those days and I remember being mad as hell that the "WWF President" stripped him of the title after he bought it from Andre. To me that was a legitimate business transaction and Jack Tunney had no right to interfere. Oh yeah. Then again, I was sorta buzzed that Andre finally wins the belt, only to sell it. Anyway... Still, I think WWE should hire Jed Shaffer as a booker or writer or something. Seriously, his proposed (if for fun) alternative booking schemes give me the wrestling marking that the WWE lacks for me these days.
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 0:05:57 GMT -5
Two guys: and Mr. Perfect rocked. How could I forget him? And I would add Owen Hart too, but if he hadn't died, at best he would have been given a 30 day transitional reign as reward for his work for the company....hell, we could have gotten more "knock his leg right out under his leg" promos for my laughs.
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Post by rra on Jun 30, 2007 0:02:55 GMT -5
Sorry folks about the other thread.
Who are the greatest WWF/WWE wrestler to never ever win the top damn belt of that promotion?
Many would say DiBiase, Piper, Scott Hall, Regal (ok thats my pick) and they are great picks but I would also suggest Brian Pillman (he was on the rise for it), British Bulldog Davey Boy Smith (early 1990s he was smokin, and imagine that PPV Triple Threat Title Family Reunion Bret/Owen/Smith match we never quite got), and my personal pick....
Ricky THE DRAGON Steamboat. Why WWF and Vince wouldn't let him run with the belt, I'll never know.
Hell, The Million Dollar Man deserved it to.
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