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Post by Hensley on Oct 8, 2007 21:40:14 GMT -5
This...is...awesome!
If I get around to it (probably this weekend), I'll see about posting some of my junk...
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Zane
Team Rocket
GREATEST POWERBOMB EVER!
Posts: 959
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Post by Zane on Oct 8, 2007 21:52:29 GMT -5
I might play again when I get more time. Then I'll post everything and make up my own storylines.
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TheKillShot
Don Corleone
The man with the flan.
Posts: 1,952
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Post by TheKillShot on Oct 8, 2007 21:57:58 GMT -5
My Jericho/Christian angle started real well.
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Brain Of F'n J
Hank Scorpio
Not that cool enough to have one of these....wait.
We Discodians must stick apart.
Posts: 6,890
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Oct 12, 2007 16:39:59 GMT -5
Saturday, April 12, 2008:
Email: WWE’s Smackdown got a 5.90 rating TNA’s TNA Friday got a 0.93 rating. TNA signed independent workers Sean Waltman, Mike Sanders and Psicosis to written contracts. WWC has signed Trish Stratus to an open contract. IWC has signed Dan Severn to an open contract.
Results for Throwdown, April 12, 2008:
1st segment—Eddie Kingston & Paul Burchill vs. Brent Albright & Kaos: Kaos’ post-injury slump continues, as he tries to set up Kingston for a chair shot from Albright, but Kingston squirms out, and Albright kills Kaos with the chair. The Kondo Clutch by Kingston gets the tap out from Kaos. Albright and Kaos argue afterwards, with Albright walking off in disgust. **1/2 Segment rating: 71%
2nd segment—ROH Commissioner Tammy Lynn Sytch makes a statement, saying that Ring Of Honor has fallen into the abyss of lawlessness, and the Code Of Honor has been completely abandoned in favor of sneak attacks and bloodthirst. She says if people do not start towing the line, there will be consequences, regardless of position, popularity or championships. Segment rating: 69%
3rd segment—Tyler Black & Arik Cannon vs. Jigsaw & Puma vs. Incoherence vs. Studio 54, elimination match: Jigsaw is pinned by Arik Cannon after a second-rope splash. Cannon is eliminated by a springboard dropkick from Delirious. “Hot Tub” Jimmy Rave and “Champagne” show astounding teamwork for being a new team, as “Hot Tub” blasts Delirious with a Diamond Dust, then sends him to “Champagne” to be occupied while he nails Hallowicked with the Greetings From The Dance Floor for the pin. *3/4 Segment rating: 63%
4th segment—Set to the song “You Can’t Bring Me Down” by Suicidal Tendencies, a video featuring highlights of the brutal Briscoes/Motor City Machine Guns war is shown. Segment rating: 61% Notes: Everyone lost overness.
5th segment—Team Ego vs. BLKOUT, hardcore match: To end the feud, Team Ego and BLKOUT meet in a no-rules street fight. Singapore canes and ladders are brought into the match, and everyone is brutalized and bloodied. Sabian missing on a leg-drop, allowing Ego to capitalize, and Kevin Steen polishes off their foes, and the feud, with a package piledriver. *** Segment rating: 73% Notes: Everyone gained overness from the feud ending.
6th segment—Nigel McGuinness is interviewed backstage by Gary Michael Cappetta; McGuinness says runs down Chris Hero, calling him a coward who hides behind his gang of thugs and dirty tricks. He then says that, one by one, the Exception To The Rule is falling apart; Pearce seemingly can’t stop Castagnoli, Kaos and Siaki can’t buy a win for free, and Corino has eyes on the World Title … which makes Hero a sitting duck at Supercard Of Honor. Segment rating: 84%
7th segment—Claudio Castagnoli vs. Sonny Siaki: Ignoring Sytch’s declaration earlier, Adam Pearce tries to stick his nose in the match, only for Castagnoli to outsmart him; Pearce’s attempt at a clothesline nails Siaki, allowing Castagnoli to lock on the Helvetique Clutch for the victory. Siaki flips out and attacks Adam Pearce afterwards. ***1/4 Segment rating: 74%
8th segment—Backstage, Bryan Danielson and Steve Corino commandeer the camera and serve notice to Colt Cabana and BJ Whitmer: if it takes putting their differences aside to eliminate them from Ring Of Honor, they will do it. There will be no rest, no cease, no quarter, until both men are driven from the company for good. Segment rating: 85%
9th segment— Jimmy Jacobs (c) w/Lisa Marie Jacobs vs. Mike Quackenbush vs. Austin Aries vs. “Diamond” Joey Ryan w/Studio 54, four-corner survival Pure Title match Once again, Jimmy Jacobs gets protection from his “wife”, Lisa Marie, as she nails Quackenbush to help Jacobs retain his Pure Title. *** Segment rating: 76%
10th segment—Colt Cabana vs. Adam Pearce: Already humbled once tonight, Pearce puts everything he has into derailing Cabana. But Classic shows too much fire, and Pearce has to pull the ref into harm’s way to get a moment’s rest. The move draws a DQ against Pearce. Immediately, Bryan Danielson tries to get the drop on Cabana, but Cabana catches him and nails a Colt .45. ***1/4 Segment rating: 85%
11th segment—Chris Hero (c) vs. Jack Evans vs. Matt Sydal, triple threat ROH World Title match: The #1 contenders to the ROH Tag Titles find their chance at capturing singles’ gold derailed ROH Tag Champ Justice Pain, who kills Jack Evans with a chair, allowing Hero to hit the Hero’s Welcome for the pinfall. ***1/2 Segment rating: 82% Note: The ROH World Title lost image.
Overall rating: 75%
Sunday, April 13, 2008:
Email: Throwdown got a 2.61 rating, with 1506 attended for $45180. We beat HWA’s Main Event TV in head-to-head broadcasting, off their 0.77 rating. Team Ego appreciated how the feud helped them get over.
1% of PI was gained (total: 43%).
Monday, April 14, 2008:
Email: WWE’s Backlash got a 1.25 buyrate. TNA’s Lockdown got a 1.43 buyrate. TNA’s Impact has been renewed for a further 30 weeks.
1% of PI was gained (total: 44%)
Tuesday, April 15, 2008:
Email: WWE’s Raw got a 5.67 rating. TNA’s TNA Monday got a 0.92 rating. ________________________________________ Preview for Driven: All-Out War, April 16, 2008:
Submission match, if Steve Corino or Colt Cabana interfere, they are fired: Bryan Danielson vs. BJ Whitmer
Falls count anywhere, if BJ Whitmer or Bryan Danielson interfere, they are fired: Colt Cabana vs. Steve Corino
The war will end when one man bleeds: Claudio Castagnoli vs. Adam Pearce
Pure Title steel cage match #1, Lisa Marie Jacobs is barred from ringside: Jimmy Jacobs (c) vs. Mike Quackenbush
Pure Title steel cage match #2, Lisa Marie Jacobs is barred from ringside: winner of Jacobs/Quackenbush vs. Austin Aries
ROH Tag Title four-corner survival match: Murderdeathkill (c) vs. Team Ego vs. Matt Sydal & Jack Evans vs. Burning River Brigade
Plus: ROH World Champion Chris Hero, Nigel McGuinness, The Briscoes, Motor City Machine Guns, "Diamond" Joey Ryan, Eddie Kingston, Brent Albright, Sonny Siaki and Paul Burchill.
Jed Shaffer ~And the WWE loses 6% in 4 days. You sure Rome ain't gonna burn?
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comahan
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by comahan on Oct 12, 2007 16:49:41 GMT -5
Jeds turning roh into tna! run ins and gimmick matches!!!!
Now that im past that, looks good. I love that the pure champion has to wrestle 2 cage matches, and Cabana/Corino is a solid matchup. Im curious as to how over Jacobs is, cause i cant, for the life of me, get him over in my game.
And does TNA never break 1.0? Weird.
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Brain Of F'n J
Hank Scorpio
Not that cool enough to have one of these....wait.
We Discodians must stick apart.
Posts: 6,890
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Post by Brain Of F'n J on Oct 12, 2007 17:08:47 GMT -5
Jeds turning roh into tna! run ins and gimmick matches!!!! Well, the stips kinda all happened by accident. Think of it as ROH's version of WCW Uncensored ... but not sucktastic. And the run-ins more or less set up this show as Sytch's reaction to it all. It'd be three, if the game didn't have the "use in three segments and piss of the audience" rule. Jacobs is at 84. I never intended for him to be so high, but once he got in the feud with Aries, he just took off. Not on Monday or Friday. Impact always draws decent, but against Raw and Smackdown, they die. And yet, they're beating WWE in PI resoundingly. I mean like 2000 WWF vs. WCW resoundingly. Go fig. Jed Shaffer ~On the upside, that means CM Punk should be coming home soon. On the downside, it means I won't be getting Joe for a loooooooooooong time.
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comahan
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by comahan on Oct 12, 2007 17:16:29 GMT -5
Unless TNA somehow drops a lot, or you overtake them in the next 10~ months, youll have to wait for Joe even longer. TNA matched my 1 yr-300k/mo WITH creative control deal for him when i was around 50% Global PI.
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Post by Hensley on Oct 14, 2007 2:05:33 GMT -5
Well, I said I'd post some of my EWR stuff up here over the weekend, but I'm a little rushed with time at the moment. I have prepared a *sample*, if you will, of what I've been up to. Enjoy it for now, and I'll post something more filling tomorrow.
TNA Bound For Glory 2008
Pre-Show: A video played hyping the Christian Cage/Samoa Joe fued.
Overall Rating: 93%
Segment #1: A video played hyping the Sting & Bret Hart/Chris Jericho & The Rock match.
Overall Rating: 87%
Segment #2: A video played hyping the Christian Cage/Samoa Joe match.
Overall Rating: 81%
Note: Christian Cage lost overness from this.
Segment #3: Lance Storm def. Kurt Angle 2-1 in an Iron Man match. **1/2
Overall Rating: 74%
Notes: Kurt Angle lost overness from this. Lance Storm gained overness from this.
Segment #4: AJ Styles & Christopher Daniels def. Homicide & Hernandez in a(n) Ladder (Ultimate X?) match to become the new TNA Tag Team champions. *****
Overall Rating: 95%
Notes: AJ Styles gained overness from this fued ending. Christopher Daniels gained overness from this fued ending. Homicide lost overness from this fued ending. Hernandez lost overness from this fued ending. TNA Tag Team titles gained in image.
Segment #5: Austin Aries def. Alex Shelley (c) in a Cage (Six Sides of Steel??) match to become the new TNA X-Division champion. ****1/2
Overall Rating: 94%
Notes: Austin Aries gained overness from this. Alex Shelley lost overness from this fued ending. Austin Aries gained overness from this fued ending.
Segment #6: Chris Jericho & The Rock ripped into Sting & Bret Hart backstage.
Overall Rating: 99%
Note: The Rock gained overness from this.
Segment #7: Sting & Bret Hart def. Chris Jericho & The Rock in a Dream match. **
Overall Rating: 84%
Segment #8 (Main Event): Samoa Joe def. Christian Cage (c) in an I Quit match to become the new TNA Heavyweight champion. *****
Overall Rating: 96%
Notes: Christian Cage lost overness from this fued ending. Samoa Joe gained overness from this fued ending.
Overall Rating: 89%
Buy Rate: 1.72
Attendance: 19,322
PPV Revenue: $4,300,000
Ticket Sales: $1,159,320
This was my big cap-off to one year in running TNA. I was expecting much better results, but I'll take what I'm given. Wasn't bad anyway, I don't think. Again, a much more final version of everything will be up tomorrow. Until then...
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Post by Hensley on Oct 14, 2007 12:35:54 GMT -5
I am, as of December 5, 2008, a Global company with 76% Public Image. The market is at 96% but waning. I am the #2 promotion in the world, behind WWE (99%). I have both, a development territory (Mr. Mischevious' Gold Mine, don't ask) and a traning camp (next classes due next new year). I have two television shows, TNA MAYHEM! (Tuesdays, prime time) and TNA hEcTiC! (Fridays, prime time). MAYHEM!'s on USA and hEcTiC!'s on the CW. I've gotta demo sent out to FOX for a third show. My PPV calendar looks like this...
January: Final Resolution February: Against All Odds March: Destination X April: Lockdown May: Sacrifice June: Slammiversary July: Victory Road August: Hard Justice September: No Surrender October: Bound For Glory November: Genesis December: Turning Point
My Roster
Main Event Faces: Christopher Daniels, Jeff Jarret, Kurt Angle, Sting Heels: Christian Cage
Upper Midcard Faces: Abyss, AJ Styles, Brother Devon, Brother Ray, Jerry Lynn, Kip James, Low Ki, Rhino, Samoa Joe Heels: Alex Shelley, Austin Aries, Bison Smith, Chris Sabin, Rick Steiner, Scott Steiner
Midcard Faces: Lance Hoyt, Latin Lover, Scotty 2 Hotty Heels: Hernandez, Homicide, Lance Storm, Matt Bentley, Petey Williams, Robert Roode
Lower Midcard Faces: Brother Runt, Jay Lethal, Sonjay Dutt Heels: Basham, L.A Par-K, PAC, The Damaja
Openers Heel: Johnny Swinger
Jobbers None
Development Faces: Charisma Dream, Dick Gold, Glenn Maiden, Harry Smith, John Boy Ament, Kim Finkel, Kim Suicide, Krusher Smalls, Laura Polshaw, Suave Guerrera, Tom Maiden Heels: Daniel Puder, Eric Angle
Non-Wrestlers Faces: Al Snow, Bob Backlund, Bret Hart, Diamond Dallas Page, Hector Gurrero, Jim Duggan, Leticia, Percy Pringle, Randy Savage, Stacy Kiebler, Trish Stratus Tweener: The Rock Heels: Chris Jericho, Don Callis, Eric Bischoff, Perry Saturn
Managers Face: So Cal Val Heels: Christy Hemme, Jacqueline Moore, James Mitchell, Scott D'Amore, Traci
Injured Christian Cage (broken leg, 7 months) Hector Gurrero (knee injury, 3 months)
Suspended/Rehab None
Titles
TNA Heavyweight title - 96 Image Samoa Joe (October 19, 2008)
TNA Tag Team titles - 60 Image AJ Styles & Christopher Daniels (October 19, 2008)
TNA X-Division title - 81 Image Austin Aries (October 19, 2008)
Current Fueds
Samoa Joe/Homicide
Austin Aries/Low Ki
AJ Styles & Christopher Daniels/Lance Storm & Petey Williams
Kurt Angle/Chris Jericho
Sting/The Rock
Jerry Lynn/Alex Shelley
Rhino/Robert Roode
Sonjay Dutt/PAC
This will be my starting point for all of this...
11/2 TNA MAYHEM! Results
Segment #1: A video played hyping the Sting/The Rock fued.
Overall Rating: 93%
Segment #2: A video played hyping the Kurt Angle/Chris Jericho fued.
Overall Rating: 97%
Note: Chris Jericho gained overness from this.
Segment #3: Rhino def. Abyss in a hardcore match. *** Robert Roode attacked Rhino after the match.
Overall Rating: 77%
Notes: Robert Roode debuted his new gimmick (Old School Heel). Robert Roode's turn was completed (Heel). Robert Roode gained overness from this.
Segment #4: Sonjay Dutt laid a verbal beating on PAC backstage.
Overall Rating: 70%
Segment #5: PAC sneak attacked Sonjay Dutt backstage.
Overall Rating: 62%
Notes: PAC debuted his new gimmick (Show Stealer), it gotta positive response. PAC gained overness from this.
Segment #6: Austin Aries (c) def. Low Ki to retain the TNA X-Division title. *** Austin Aries grabbed the tights to secure his victory.
Overall Rating: 71%
Notes: Austin Aries debuted his new gimmick (The Whole Damn Show), it gotta positive response. Low Ki debuted his new gimmick (Street Fighter). Austin Aries lost overness from this. The fans realized Austin Aries turned less than a year ago, so they didn't care much this time around. Austin Aries lost overness from this turn.
Segment #7: Lance Storm def. 1/2 of the TNA Tag Team champions Christopher Daniels. ***1/4 Petey Williams interfered on Lance Storm's behalf.
Overall Rating: 82%
Notes: Petey Williams debuted his new gimmick (Anti USA), it gotta positive response. Lance Storm gained overness from this. Petey Williams' turn was completed (Heel). Petey Williams gained overness from this turn.
Segment #8: Alex Shelley & Chris Sabin attacked Jerry Lynn backstage.
Overall Rating: 80%
Note: Jerry Lynn gained overness from this.
Segment #9: Samoa Joe (c) def. Homicide to retain the TNA Heavyweight title. ****1/2 Hernandez interfered on Homicide's behalf, forcing a disqualification. Homicide & Hernandez attacked Samoa Joe after the match.
Overall Rating: 92%
Segment #10: Sting and The Rock traded insults.
Overall Rating: 91%
Segment #11 (Main Event): Kurt Angle came out with a midget impersonating Chris Jericho. Following an insulting promo, Chris Jericho comes out from the back and brawls with Kurt Angle. Referees and other wrestlers manage to break them apart.
Overall Rating: 97%
Overall Rating: 84%
Rating: 6.04
Attendance: 9,628
Ticket Sales: $385,120
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Post by Hensley on Oct 14, 2007 13:33:30 GMT -5
11/5 TNA hEcTiC! Results
Segment#1: A video played hyping the Sting/The Rock fued.
Overall Rating: 92%
Segment #2: A video played hyping the Kurt Angle/Chris Jericho fued.
Overall Rating: 93%
Segment #3: Kip James def. Scott Steiner. ** Rick Steiner attacked Kip James after the match.
Overall Rating: 65%
Note: Kip James gained overness from this.
Segment #4: Rhino came out to cut a promo on Robert Roode. Robert Roode attacked Rhino with a steel chair then hit him with his patented, Payoff. He contined his assault with the chair before paramedics finally came rushing down to the ring.
Overall Rating: 69%
Notes: Rhino lost overness from this. Robert Roode gained overness from this.
Segment #5: Low Ki called out TNA X-Division champion Austin Aries. He questioned his choice tactics last Tuesday, but before Austin Aries even bothered to answer, he leveled Low Ki with the TNA X-Division title.
Overall Rating: 78%
Segment #6: PAC def. Jay Lethal. **3/4 Sonjay Dutt attacked PAC after the match.
Overall Rating: 65%
Note: PAC gained overness from this.
Segment #7: Jerry Lynn def. Chris Sabin. ***1/4 Chris Sabin was disqualified after Alex Shelley interfered on his behalf. The Motor City Machine Guns beat down Jerry Lynn after the match.
Overall Rating: 79%
Note: Jerry Lynn gained overness from this.
Segment #8: 1/2 of the TNA Tag Team champions Christopher Daniels def. Lance Storm. ***1/4 Petey Williams tried to interfere again on Lance Storm's behalf, but failed. AJ Styles made the save after the match.
Overall Rating: 81%
Segment #9: Homicide & Hernandez attacked TNA Heavyweight champion Samoa Joe backstage.
Overall Rating: 74%
Note: Samoa Joe lost overness from this.
Segment #10: Sting comes out, followed shortly by The Rock. The Rock hits Sting with the Rock Bottom, but Sting stands right back up and starts to *hulk up*. The Rock looks shaken up, and bails out of the ring.
Overall Rating: 92%
Segment #11 (Main Event): Chris Jericho hosted the Highlight Reel, and Kurt Angle was his guest. Chris Jericho taunted Kurt Angle throughout the segment before finally sneaking in a cheap shot. Kurt Angle is left face down on the mat.
Overall Rating: 90%
Overall Rating: 80%
Rating: 6.14
Attendance: 9,611
Ticket Sales: $384,440
Notes: Kip James and Scott Steiner worked really well together. Jay Lethal believes he should be pushed higher up the card (Lower Midcard-Midcard). Our ratings battle with SmackDown! is so close that no one is gaining a clear advantage. SmackDown! did a 6.46. WWE has more star power than us, and that is affecting our PI, but we have better workers, so that's what's garnering us more fans. RAW did a 6.95. Jay Lethal signed an open contract with HWA.
Incident: Scott Steiner announced that he had found religion, and is a changed man.
I'm thinking about trying to steal away some of WWE's top guys. We'll see how it all unfolds...
UPDATE Notes: We signed Big Show and Nathan Jones to 1-Year Non-Wrestling contracts.
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Post by Hensley on Oct 14, 2007 18:38:19 GMT -5
The next week of my shows are up. I can't believe I've gotten so far into this already. Waaay too much time on my hands.
11/9 TNA MAYHEM! Results
Segment #1: A video is played hyping the Sting/The Rock fued.
Overall Rating: 92%
Segment #2: A video is played hyping the Kurt Angle/Chris Jericho fued.
Overall Rating: 97%
Segment #3: Kip James def. Rick Steiner. ** Scott Steiner tried to attack Kip James after the match, but failed.
Overall Rating: 56%
Segment #4: Robert Roode is in the ring celebrating his recent massacre of Rhino. Rhino interrupts his celebration, and attacks Roode. He hits him with a Gore before leaving.
Overall Rating: 76%
Note: Robert Roode gained overness from this.
Segment #5: PAC is in the ring talking trash about Sonjay Dutt. Dutt comes out and challenges PAC to a match at Turning Point. PAC accepts.
Overall Rating: 56%
Note: PAC gained overness from this.
Segment #6: Low Ki def. Austin Aries (c) via count-out for the TNA X-Division title. *** Aries got himself purposely counted-out then ran away after the match.
Overall Rating: 68%
Note: Low Ki gained overness from this.
Segment #7: Alex Shelley was interviewed backstage. He hyped his fued with Jerry Lynn.
Overall Rating: 83%
Segment #8: Alex Shelley, Lance Storm, & Petey Williams def. Jerry Lynn and the TNA Tag Team champions AJ Styles & Christopher Daniels. ***1/4 Chris Sabin interfered on Alex Shelley's behalf.
Overall Rating: 72%
Segment #9: TNA Heavyweight champion Samoa Joe def. Homicide & Hernandez. ****
Overall Rating: 75%
Segment #10: Sting and The Rock confronted one another in the lockerroom and got into a heated confrontation, but managed to settle it without come to blows.
Overall Rating: 100%
Notes: Sting gained overness from this. The Rock gained overness from this.
Segment #11 (Main Event): Kurt Angle and Chris Jericho traded insults between one another.
Overall Rating: 100%
Notes: Kurt Angle gained overness from this. Chris Jericho gained overness from this.
Overall Rating: 81%
Rating: 6.78
Attendance: 9,634
Ticket Sales: $385,360
Notes: Jeff Jarret would like to work with The Damaja, if possible. ECW gotta 3.68 rating.
11/12 TNA hEcTiC! Results
Segment #1: A video played hyping the Kurt Angle/Chris Jericho fued.
Overall Rating: 100%
Segment #2: Abyss def. Bison Smith via disqualification. ** Smith was disqualified, and attacked the referee after the match.
Overall Rating: 62%
Segment #3: Rhino def. Robert Roode via disqualification. **1/2 Roode was disqualified following interferiance from Traci.
Overall Rating: 61%
Segment #4: Sonjay Dutt and PAC got into a heated confrontation backstage, but didn't come to any blows.
Overall Rating: 68%
Note: PAC gained overness from this.
Segment #5: 1/2 of the TNA Tag Team champions AJ Styles def. Petey Williams via disqualification. *** Lance Storm interfered on Williams' behalf. Christopher Daniels ran in for the save, but failed.
Overall Rating: 71%
Segment #6: Low Ki comes out and challenged the TNA X-Division champion Austin Aries to come meet him right now, but received no answer whatsoever.
Overall Rating: 69%
Segment #7: TNA Heavyweight champion Samoa Joe was interviewed backstage. He hyped his fued with Homicide.
Overall Rating: 89%
Segment #8: TNA Heavyweight champion Samoa Joe & Jerry Lynn def. Homicide, Hernandez, & Alex Shelley. ***1/2 Chris Sabin tried to interfere on Alex Shelley's behalf, but failed.
Overall Rating: 74%
Segment #9: Sting came out, followed closely by The Rock. They trade insults, and look to get into it, but get held back by officials and other performers.
Overall Rating: 98%
Note: The Rock gained overness from this.
Segment #10: Chris Jericho was interviewed backstage. He laid a verbal beating on Kurt Angle.
Overall Rating: 90%
Segment #11 (Main Event): Kurt Angle surprised Chris Jericho in his own lockerroom, but camera feed was lost before anything could be seen.
Overall Rating: 98%
Overall Rating: 81%
Rating: 6.47
Attendance: 9,615
Ticket Sales: $384,600
Notes: Our ratings battle with SmackDown! is so close that no one is gaining a clear advantage. SmackDown! gotta 6.39 rating.
Our PPV (Turning Point) is up next. Not totally sure how everything's gonna pan out, but it should be a doozy nonetheless.
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