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Post by Stab Sword on Jun 3, 2008 15:28:55 GMT -5
 41. The Messiah Highest Ranking: #8 To say William Welch had the most controversial gimmick ever would be an understatement. He debuted in XPW as the second coming of Christ and would have some of the bloodiest matches ever in XPW(think about that). He would then jump to CZW while still holding the XPW World Title and XPW Deathmatch title and quit the company. This "angered" XPW owner and all around scumbag Rob Black who for leaving the company and allegedly sleeping with his wife Lizzie Borden. On August 1, 2002, Messiah was attacked in his home and had his thumb cut off, many believe Black was behind the attack. Nevertheless, Messiah competed in the first Tournament of Death weeks later and would hold the CZW World title three times and the CZW Iron Man title Tribute Video The Messiah vs. "Sick" Nick Mondo Tournament of Death 2002 Semi Finals www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/The%2BMessiah%2BCZW/video/x312aq_czw-messiah-vs-mondo-tod2_sport |
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Post by Stab Sword on Jun 3, 2008 15:29:39 GMT -5
I didn't see the original post in this thread, but was there a basic definition for what should be considered a hardcore wrestler? I put up brawler, hardcore, ultraviolent, daredevil, extreme, deathmatch wrestler. Not my fault |
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Post by Stab Sword on Jun 3, 2008 15:32:12 GMT -5
Now that the first 10 are done, i'm going to take a break and let the controversy mount. Here's some hints for the next 5
A father of a current WWE superstar
2 half brothers that killed each other in 95
A guy with a symbol in his name
One of the IWA promoters
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on Jun 3, 2008 16:17:10 GMT -5
I have CZW TOD 2002 on VHS somewhere, only CZW show I own.
Anyway next 5(4?)
Dusty Rhodes
Bad Breed (Ian & Axl Rotten)
Don't know the other 3?
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ALF
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Post by Bocuma on Jun 3, 2008 17:01:20 GMT -5
I didn't put Jimmy on my list but that is a really good pick now that I think about it.
However, CM Punk and Bob Holly? Boo.
Stevie? YAY!
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Post by Stab Sword on Jun 3, 2008 18:11:31 GMT -5
 40. W*NG Kanemura Highest Ranked: #8 Kouhiro Kanemura, better than as W*ING Kanemura was one of Japan's biggest deathmatch wrestlers, competing in both FMW, BJW and W*NG. He currently competes for Apache Army where he was won their heavyweight title more times than anyone else (4 times). He's won multiple brass knuckle titles, the FMW Street Fight 6 Man Tag team titles, the FMW Hardcore title and the BJW Deathmatch title. Tribute Video W*ING Kanemura vs. Cactus Jack www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCtB14LZNAQ |
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Post by Stab Sword on Jun 3, 2008 18:21:59 GMT -5
 39. Ian Rotten Highest Ranked: #13 Ian Rotten made an impact in the american wrestling scene in ECW as a member of the Bad Breed with half brother Axl Rotten. After the team was disbanded, Ian and Axl went on a rampage against each other in the bloodiest of matches, concluding in a Taipei Death Match to which Axl won. Ian owns IWA-MS and is a two time King of the Deathmatch winner and a former 9x IWA-MS champion. In 2003, he led IWA-MS in a promotional feud with CZW, with Ian making it to the finals of the Tournament of Death, only to fall to Nick Mondo. Tribute Video Ian Rotten vs. Axl Rotten (Taipei Deathmatch) www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYw-DMLRaTI |
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Post by Stab Sword on Jun 3, 2008 18:32:07 GMT -5
 38. Carlos Colon Highest Ranked: #8 Colon was a pioneer in the wrestling scene in Puerto Rico, creating the WWC and like most promotors, made himself the main guy on top. He would have legendary feuds with Ric Flair, Bruiser Brody and most noteworthy with Abdullah the Butcher. Colon is quoted as saying: "Eighty percent of the blood I've shed in the ring I've shed because of Abdullah." He went on to win every title in the WWC and sports over 70 scars on his forehead, each a symbol of honor for all the brutal and bloody matches he's been involved in. Tribute Video Carlos Colon vs. Bruiser Brody (Chain Match) www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip3XEbGkf_4 |
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Johnny B. Decent
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Had one once
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Jun 3, 2008 18:33:40 GMT -5
Carlos Colon was I think very underrated here in the States and abroad.
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Post by Stab Sword on Jun 3, 2008 18:44:09 GMT -5
 37. Mad Man Pondo Highest Ranking: #13 Mad Man Pondo is the owner of IWA-East Coast and is well known for his deathmatches in BJW. He's won the IWA-MS Deathmatch title twice and was the 2003 King of the Deathmatch winner. In CZW he won the Iron Man title and in ICP's JCW, he has won both their heavyweight title and tag title along with the Necro Butcher. He and Necro also had a bloody feud with the Briscoes in FIP over the FIP World Tag team titles. Tribute Video: Mad Man Pondo vs. The Necro Butcher Part 1 www.youtube.com/watch?v=I95EVQa4rfwPart 2 www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LVHirwSqOY&feature=related |
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Post by Stab Sword on Jun 3, 2008 18:54:04 GMT -5
 36. Axl Rotten Highest Ranked: #12 *Read first part of Ian's section* After the feud with Ian, Axl would start teaming with Balls Mahoney as the Extreme Chair Swinging Freaks and deliver some of the loudest chair shots ever heard. Axl left the company and became a staple of XPW's Deathmatch division, competing for the Deathmatch title but never winning the title. He would go on to IWA-MS to win the heavyweight title and the IWA-MS tag team titles Tribute Video Axl Rotten vs. Supreme XPW Deathmatch title(Cage and Thumbtacks match).....sorry best i could get www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0zGCIYVoBw |
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Post by Stab Sword on Jun 3, 2008 18:57:07 GMT -5
Here's some hints for the next 5
A member of the PWG Six
Made a cameo in the movie Major Payne
A guy who drank his own blood and he liked it
A guy who didn't care for pepper steak
a man who's been buried in coffin and set on fire, not named undertaker
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Post by eDemento2099 on Jun 3, 2008 22:54:33 GMT -5
No Toby Klein, but CM Punk, Stevie Richards and Jimmy Jacobs made the list? Come on people, very disappointing Don't blame me; I voted for Klein! I also voted for Lobo, who did not make it into the top 50 either. One (great) wrestler who I did not vote for was Jerry Lynn. I didn't vote for him because I regard him as a mat technician / high-flier. He may occasionally use chairs, but that doesn't make him a hardcore wrestler in my book (same goes for RVD, which is why I didn't vote for him either). As for that hint about 'two brothers who nearly killed each other,' I thought The Headhunters were the individuals in question! Regretfully, I totally forgot about The Headhunters when I cast my votes. Maybe that's for the best; I can't tell Headhunter A apart from Headhunter B, so how would I rank one above the other?  And not to run down those who voted contrary to my preferences, but in my opinion, the only thing that has impressed me about Ian Rotten and Mad Man Pondo is their ability to tolerate pain. I think they're the worst example of deathmatch wrestlers. Comparatively speaking, I'm more impressed with New Jack; unlike Ian & Pondo, he's charismatic, cuts awesome promos, and can even put on some pretty good hardcore exhibitions when he isn't trying to murder his opponent (New Jack vs Gypsy Joe was actually pretty good until the audience and Joe pissed New Jack off to the point where he legitimately attacked Joe with a bat). |
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Post by The Hardcore Disciple on Jun 3, 2008 23:18:57 GMT -5
Lessee...hints...
Well, one is Al Snow.
I'm guessing Kane for the last one.
That's a good question, actually--are different gimmicks for the same man lumped under one man, or can they be separated?
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Post by eDemento2099 on Jun 3, 2008 23:33:42 GMT -5
The third hint sounds applicable to SeXXXy Eddy, who ranked very high on my list.
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Post by funkycoldmadina on Jun 3, 2008 23:45:02 GMT -5
Pepper steak - Al Snow
Cameo in Major Payne - Bam Bam Bigelow
Casket/burned - Kane or possibly Mick Foley although I would think he would be higher on the list?
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The Line
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Post by The Line on Jun 3, 2008 23:57:28 GMT -5
A member of the PWG Six- Super Dragon(which would be the first guy off my list)
and yeah, I think the Blood is Eddy, and the casket is probably Kane(I would hope foley would be higher as well).
The other ones out of those hints are pretty obvious, IMO
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Post by eDemento2099 on Jun 4, 2008 2:52:43 GMT -5
Since when has Kane been a hardcore wrestler?
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jun 4, 2008 6:40:02 GMT -5
Pondo was another vote of mine
Yea he's on mine too, Eddy is fantastic.
The stuff about the coffin could be Matsunaga, he had a coffin match against Pogo, where he was closed in some weird velvet casket then set on fire.
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Post by Stab Sword on Jun 4, 2008 6:40:59 GMT -5
 35. Bam Bam Bigelow Higest Ranked: #5 Bam Bam Bigelow was a laughing stock in 1995 when he was beaten by Lawrence Taylor in the main event of Wrestlemania 11. But two years later, he would be one of the biggest stars in ECW, winning both the ECW world title and television titles during his stint. He became a member of Shane Douglas' Triple Threat stable and had wars with Taz over the TV title and Taz's FTW title, including putting each other through the ring. He then left for WCW where he was immediately put into a feud with Goldberg for the WCW title. He was then put as a member of DDP's Jersey Triad stable and won the WCW tag team titles and also won the WCW Hardcore title Tribute Video Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Taz for the FTW Title(Falls count Anywhere) Part 1 www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtKx67fQkskPart 2 www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsCJYpoi7qM&feature=relatedPart 3 www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgwK0nTvypM&feature=related |
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