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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Aug 3, 2008 21:21:38 GMT -5
Yeah see and that is cool. But when BB came out, so many people said "it was perfect, batman will never be better on the big screen" and when TDK hit they are saying "wow, this movie really points out Begin's flaws" That is all i am saying. Not that it isn't good. Just that it was flawed and the fanboy goggles didn't let many see it till now. And I believe the same will happen with TDK down the line, as it does with damn near every movie ever. I see what you're saying. To be fair, I don't speak to many Batman fan boys so that didn't happen for me. Most of my movie watching friends are just general film buffs. So they all thought like me. That Batman Begins was a good movie, best of the franchise, but not perfect.
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Post by knightrider01 on Aug 3, 2008 21:26:01 GMT -5
Superman is in a funk because they refuse to make a movie with any other villains other than Lex Luthor. well that and they really like relaunching the series so many freaking times that no one cares about superman! that and none of the producers who handle superman really get what superman is. everyone gets batman because he's easier to figure out. someone who wants to solve the world's problems himself and tries the best he can while still having issues over the way he was brought up. that's simple. with superman no one understands his flaw because it's something that's hard to explain to execs and producers who control everything. superman's flaw is that he feels he's too powerful and is a danger to society so he tries to help out everyone as much as possible. trying to tell people of power that power is bad doesn't really work out that well. I don't think thats why Superman does what he does.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Aug 3, 2008 21:26:39 GMT -5
Yeah. I actually know two of the biggest Batfanboys alive. And they annoy the crap out of me. They made it damn near impossible for me to even like Begins. Luckily I haven't seen them much these days so that helped me like TDK more.
They got pissed off royally when I told them batman wasn't a perfect adaptation of the comics and whined and bitched.
The thing I could never get them to understand is, on the big screen I don't want a perfect clone of the comics. It is live action, it needs its own ticks and gravitas. But all they could ever say is it was perfect. But of course I point out the tumbler chase and how he had to have killed cops(high speed chase with cars flipping...) and caused tons of destruction to public property, all for a woman.... That isn't all that accurate to the comics.
I was fine with the changes. it needed the love angle to sell it to women. But man, it bugged me seeing that and hearing it was perfect.
To put it in perspective, when Ledger died, one of them had to be put on a loose suicide watch. And he said if Nolan and bale died he'd be offing himself and as many as he could take with him.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Aug 3, 2008 21:29:05 GMT -5
well that and they really like relaunching the series so many freaking times that no one cares about superman! that and none of the producers who handle superman really get what superman is. everyone gets batman because he's easier to figure out. someone who wants to solve the world's problems himself and tries the best he can while still having issues over the way he was brought up. that's simple. with superman no one understands his flaw because it's something that's hard to explain to execs and producers who control everything. superman's flaw is that he feels he's too powerful and is a danger to society so he tries to help out everyone as much as possible. trying to tell people of power that power is bad doesn't really work out that well. I don't think thats why Superman does what he does. Superman does what he does ebcause he had good Midwestern parents who taught him to do right. even if he wasn't super powered he'd be working at soup kitchens and such. He jsut wants to do what is right and make the world a better place. The depth comes from the powers and how he always has to hold back, he cannot let loose or many could die. And can you imagine never being able to live to your potential?
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Aug 3, 2008 21:31:08 GMT -5
I am not saying the Dark Knight is perfection, but the reason it is making all this movie besides the fact that the film is the best of the year is the fact that the movies that it goes up against are mostly horrible.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Aug 3, 2008 21:34:11 GMT -5
Yeah. I actually know two of the biggest Batfanboys alive. And they annoy the crap out of me. They made it damn near impossible for me to even like Begins. Luckily I haven't seen them much these days so that helped me like TDK more. They got pissed off royally when I told them batman wasn't a perfect adaptation of the comics and whined and bitched. The thing I could never get them to understand is, on the big screen I don't want a perfect clone of the comics. It is live action, it needs its own ticks and gravitas. But all they could ever say is it was perfect. But of course I point out the tumbler chase and how he had to have killed cops(high speed chase with cars flipping...) and caused tons of destruction to public property, all for a woman.... That isn't all that accurate to the comics. I was fine with the changes. it needed the love angle to sell it to women. But man, it bugged me seeing that and hearing it was perfect. To put it in perspective, when Ledger died, one of them had to be put on a loose suicide watch. And he said if Nolan and bale died he'd be offing himself and as many as he could take with him. Well the way I saw it with the Tumbler chase was those cops were pretty much all dirty at that point, but yeah I get you. I've always said the same thing about movies to. They should be influences by the comics, but not restricted by them. The only time I think we should have exact translations is in the case of single graphic being adapted. Then you can do it because it's only once source, not 50 years of multiple sources. I am not saying the Dark Knight is perfection, but the reason it is making all this movie besides the fact that the film is the best of the year is the fact that the movies that it goes up against are mostly horrible. Well, that doesn't really apply that much. Even "terrible" movies make tons of money when they strike a cord with the general public. Look at Hancock and Transformers and how much they are trashed.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Aug 3, 2008 21:41:59 GMT -5
Transformers is funny, because for me it is a better film than most give it credit for. I think expectations and mis-remembered childhood memories taint that. Plus I understand why the humans are there and it isn't just giant robots fighting. One is budget, 2 is to humanize the Autobots.
Exactly. Sin City is perfect to do panel for panel, Wanted should have been, same with V, and a history of Violence.
but bats? Superman, Spider-man all of them have such a deep well to draw from that you cannot make every one happy. So you pick a bit from the tv show, a bit from the cartoons, from the comics, here and there, then add your own twist. And have your take on the character, but you still honor the source(unlike Catwoman...*tears*).
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Post by DJ Peapod on Aug 3, 2008 21:42:36 GMT -5
Ok, so I just saw the Dark Knight for the very first time tonight...and it was by far the greatest movie I have seen all year!
It was a terrific roller coaster ride of action, drama, and craziness.
I enjoyed it throughly and I'm not even that big of a Batman Guy...but boy...was this great!
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Aug 3, 2008 21:43:28 GMT -5
Transformers is funny, because for me it is a better film than most give it credit for. I think expectations and mis-remembered childhood memories taint that. Plus I understand why the humans are there and it isn't just giant robots fighting. One is budget, 2 is to humanize the Autobots. The average person likes Transformers, me included. I was just saying that on teh webz it's considered crappy (even though nearly everyone was talking about how awesome it was when it was released).
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Aug 3, 2008 21:47:31 GMT -5
Transformers is funny, because for me it is a better film than most give it credit for. I think expectations and mis-remembered childhood memories taint that. Plus I understand why the humans are there and it isn't just giant robots fighting. One is budget, 2 is to humanize the Autobots. The average person likes Transformers, me included. I was just saying that on teh webz it's considered crappy (even though nearly everyone was talking about how awesome it was when it was released). Oh yeah dude I know. Most regular people I know love it. Critics and people who can't let go of G1 don't.
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Post by RoloSolo IV on Aug 3, 2008 21:49:43 GMT -5
I'm gonna say it and people are probably gonna hate me for it but. I think Superman 1 is a better movie than Dark Knight. I understand if you said Superman 2, but Superman 1? Not sure about that.
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Post by Batman on Aug 3, 2008 21:51:06 GMT -5
I'm gonna say it and people are probably gonna hate me for it but. I think Superman 1 is a better movie than Dark Knight. I understand if you said Superman 2, but Superman 1? Not sure about that. You thought Nicholson was better than Ledger. What do you know about life?
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Post by tap on Aug 3, 2008 21:52:19 GMT -5
I never thought it was perfect to begin with, though I did think it was the best Batman ever until that point. Now it's the 2nd best ever to me. Heh, what's number 1? EDIT: I liked Transformers, but I really wish it had Spielberg at the helm instead of producing. I would have cared more about the human characters more even if it would have been cloying at times (as Spielberg's films can be). Bay's characterizations are fairly mean by comparison.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Aug 3, 2008 22:13:29 GMT -5
Let me say this on Transformers.....I liked the live action movie. I thought it was slow at the beginning, but picked up at the end. However, that only lasted a few months when I finally saw the animated Transformers movie and let me tell you, after watching that film......I saw the live action version in a whole new negative light.
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Post by thwak is T.hawk on Aug 3, 2008 22:48:01 GMT -5
I don't think thats why Superman does what he does. Superman does what he does ebcause he had good Midwestern parents who taught him to do right. even if he wasn't super powered he'd be working at soup kitchens and such. He jsut wants to do what is right and make the world a better place. The depth comes from the powers and how he always has to hold back, he cannot let loose or many could die. And can you imagine never being able to live to your potential? yeah pretty much. my art teacher kind of explained to me that people don't really get the depth of superman because they see him as deus ex machina all the time but in reality he's always restrained on earth. I mean think about it, here's a guy who can throw a freaking semi truck a village block and every once in a while he'll have to punch a thug. he's got to be pulling his punches or else the person will get their head punched off. that's something that's hard to convey but is essential, I think, to superman's character.
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Post by Alucard on Aug 3, 2008 23:29:03 GMT -5
IF I may bring up something from a page or two back...
The hiss sound you guys talked about when Batman bends the gun barrel? A few of you thought you heard it?
Yeah, it's there.
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Post by casualobserver on Aug 4, 2008 0:30:48 GMT -5
So who won the "tryouts"?
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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Aug 4, 2008 0:31:47 GMT -5
I'm gonna say it and people are probably gonna hate me for it but. I think Superman 1 is a better movie than Dark Knight. I understand if you said Superman 2, but Superman 1? Not sure about that. Superman 1 in my opinion, is the perfect superhero movie.
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Post by MiLo Duck on Aug 4, 2008 0:38:39 GMT -5
IF I may bring up something from a page or two back... The hiss sound you guys talked about when Batman bends the gun barrel? A few of you thought you heard it? Yeah, it's there. I heard it both times I watched the movie. I also could have sworn you see the mechanism in question move and twist while its happening.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Aug 4, 2008 0:48:08 GMT -5
Batman Begins was very boring.
The Dark Knight wasn't. It was awesome.
And Superman... I used to LOVE Superman. I wanted to love the Superman Returns movie a lot... but it just stalled out. Was too long, and Lois Lane was horrible.
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