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Post by Solid Stryk-Dizzle on Aug 4, 2008 0:50:09 GMT -5
Superman Returns was a ok movie, I can't say it's as bad as some say but it was a huge misstep.
It should've been a complete reboot like Begins instead of a quasi-sequel.
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Post by Maidpool w/ Cleaning Action on Aug 4, 2008 1:51:38 GMT -5
Batman Begins was very boring. You're boring, Rock Star Wench. Okay your cool again. Superman Returns was alright to me. It had some cool parts, it wasn't bad, but it left a lot to be desired.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Aug 4, 2008 3:51:03 GMT -5
I laughed so hard no noise came out.
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Post by Silent Brad on Aug 4, 2008 4:26:15 GMT -5
LMAO! Well, while we're at it... And here's a classic.
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Post by Full Moon on Aug 4, 2008 10:03:42 GMT -5
Here's an interesting question for you guys. What do you think The Joker was doing before his appearance in Gotham? In the context of the movies, he was beginning to make a name for himself at the end of Batman Begins. According to Gordon, he was wanted for a double homicide.
At the start of TDK, he is relatively unknown until he commits the bank robbery.
We know that before Batman appeared, Bruce Wayne spent most of his life in hiding, training abroad, before returning to Gotham. So what do you think Joker was doing? Petty thief? In prison for a prior crime? In another city before moving to Gotham?
Just curious what a guy like that does for the first 20-30 years of his life before those double homicides!!
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Aug 4, 2008 10:06:35 GMT -5
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Post by Free Hat on Aug 4, 2008 10:43:53 GMT -5
I haven't read through the entire thread so maybe this has already been addressed, but having just seen it for the second time, I'm still confused about Dent's killings. Gordon says there are five dead, two of them cops. Assuming Dent himself is one of the five, that leaves Maroni, his driver, Wuertz and Ramirez. The problem is Dent only knocks out Ramirez, he doesn't kill her. So does Gordon just assume that Ramirez is dead, or is there a fifth murder I overlooked?
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Post by HMARK Center on Aug 4, 2008 10:45:48 GMT -5
Here's an interesting question for you guys. What do you think The Joker was doing before his appearance in Gotham? In the context of the movies, he was beginning to make a name for himself at the end of Batman Begins. According to Gordon, he was wanted for a double homicide. At the start of TDK, he is relatively unknown until he commits the bank robbery. We know that before Batman appeared, Bruce Wayne spent most of his life in hiding, training abroad, before returning to Gotham. So what do you think Joker was doing? Petty thief? In prison for a prior crime? In another city before moving to Gotham? Just curious what a guy like that does for the first 20-30 years of his life before those double homicides!! I want to just use the point that Nolan made with Joker: that he comes from nowhere, that he has no past, that he's simply an agent of chaos that's been unleashed on an unsuspecting populace. But it's more fun to imagine sometimes, isn't it? I have no clue where Joker came from, but the one thing I hope he didn't do was "come from a broken home". That's fine for a lot of villains, gives them a level on which you can be sympathetic or even empathetic towards them...but Joker is a man of no redeeming qualities. Making him seem like a sympathetic figure goes entirely against who he is. I'll just assume he's the spawn of Satan, then.
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Post by paragon on Aug 4, 2008 12:29:37 GMT -5
I haven't read through the entire thread so maybe this has already been addressed, but having just seen it for the second time, I'm still confused about Dent's killings. Gordon says there are five dead, two of them cops. Assuming Dent himself is one of the five, that leaves Maroni, his driver, Wuertz and Ramirez. The problem is Dent only knocks out Ramirez, he doesn't kill her. So does Gordon just assume that Ramirez is dead, or is there a fifth murder I overlooked? The former was my take. Gordon doesn't really have any reason to think Harvey let Ramirez live. That's one of the problems with the audience having more information than a character. We forget that the character does not necessarily know something.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Aug 4, 2008 12:46:09 GMT -5
I haven't read through the entire thread so maybe this has already been addressed, but having just seen it for the second time, I'm still confused about Dent's killings. Gordon says there are five dead, two of them cops. Assuming Dent himself is one of the five, that leaves Maroni, his driver, Wuertz and Ramirez. The problem is Dent only knocks out Ramirez, he doesn't kill her. So does Gordon just assume that Ramirez is dead, or is there a fifth murder I overlooked? The former was my take. Gordon doesn't really have any reason to think Harvey let Ramirez live. That's one of the problems with the audience having more information than a character. We forget that the character does not necessarily know something. What most likely happened was either Oldman flubbed the line and no one caught it, or the people in charge of keeping up the continuity of the movie let one mistake slip through the cracks, and were lucky enough that there's an actual storytelling reason for the character to mistake the numbers.
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Post by Doctor Tull-eus S. Venture on Aug 4, 2008 13:04:33 GMT -5
Here's an interesting question for you guys. What do you think The Joker was doing before his appearance in Gotham? In the context of the movies, he was beginning to make a name for himself at the end of Batman Begins. According to Gordon, he was wanted for a double homicide. At the start of TDK, he is relatively unknown until he commits the bank robbery. We know that before Batman appeared, Bruce Wayne spent most of his life in hiding, training abroad, before returning to Gotham. So what do you think Joker was doing? Petty thief? In prison for a prior crime? In another city before moving to Gotham? Just curious what a guy like that does for the first 20-30 years of his life before those double homicides!! I want to just use the point that Nolan made with Joker: that he comes from nowhere, that he has no past, that he's simply an agent of chaos that's been unleashed on an unsuspecting populace. But it's more fun to imagine sometimes, isn't it? I have no clue where Joker came from, but the one thing I hope he didn't do was "come from a broken home". That's fine for a lot of villains, gives them a level on which you can be sympathetic or even empathetic towards them...but Joker is a man of no redeeming qualities. Making him seem like a sympathetic figure goes entirely against who he is. I'll just assume he's the spawn of Satan, then. I think that's why it was brilliant for Nolan to write in several different "origin" tales for the Joker's scars. First, his abusive father gave them to him. Next, he carved them in himself to match his "wife" who herself was facially scarred. He's about to spin a third yarn, but never does (the scene on the rooftop during his fight with Batman). There's no "definitive, absolute, 100% true" origin for him. H emakes up his own past as it sees fit.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Aug 4, 2008 13:14:07 GMT -5
I want to just use the point that Nolan made with Joker: that he comes from nowhere, that he has no past, that he's simply an agent of chaos that's been unleashed on an unsuspecting populace. But it's more fun to imagine sometimes, isn't it? I have no clue where Joker came from, but the one thing I hope he didn't do was "come from a broken home". That's fine for a lot of villains, gives them a level on which you can be sympathetic or even empathetic towards them...but Joker is a man of no redeeming qualities. Making him seem like a sympathetic figure goes entirely against who he is. I'll just assume he's the spawn of Satan, then. I think that's why it was brilliant for Nolan to write in several different "origin" tales for the Joker's scars. First, his abusive father gave them to him. Next, he carved them in himself to match his "wife" who herself was facially scarred. He's about to spin a third yarn, but never does (the scene on the rooftop during his fight with Batman). There's no "definitive, absolute, 100% true" origin for him. H emakes up his own past as it sees fit. Like the man himself said in "The Killing Joke": If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice.
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Post by paragon on Aug 4, 2008 13:27:30 GMT -5
The former was my take. Gordon doesn't really have any reason to think Harvey let Ramirez live. That's one of the problems with the audience having more information than a character. We forget that the character does not necessarily know something. What most likely happened was either Oldman flubbed the line and no one caught it, or the people in charge of keeping up the continuity of the movie let one mistake slip through the cracks, and were lucky enough that there's an actual storytelling reason for the character to mistake the numbers. Why does it have to be a mistake by Oldman or the writers? They could have actually realized that while the audience knows Ramirez isn't dead, Gordon doesn't, so they had him say the number of people he would logically think are dead.
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Post by Convoy on Aug 4, 2008 13:35:17 GMT -5
I think that's why it was brilliant for Nolan to write in several different "origin" tales for the Joker's scars. First, his abusive father gave them to him. Next, he carved them in himself to match his "wife" who herself was facially scarred. He's about to spin a third yarn, but never does (the scene on the rooftop during his fight with Batman). There's no "definitive, absolute, 100% true" origin for him. H emakes up his own past as it sees fit. Like the man himself said in "The Killing Joke": If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice. That was actually in his 2-page origin backup in an issue of Countdown, but it's still a great line. As for Dent's murders, Gordon could assume Ramirez is dead...or the cop The Joker shot in Dent's hospital room. There is also the guy Dent replaced in Maroni's car, but it's unlikely he killed him.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Aug 4, 2008 13:41:30 GMT -5
Like the man himself said in "The Killing Joke": If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice. That was actually in his 2-page origin backup in an issue of Countdown, but it's still a great line. As for Dent's murders, Gordon could assume Ramirez is dead...or the cop The Joker shot in Dent's hospital room. There is also the guy Dent replaced in Maroni's car, but it's unlikely he killed him. Dude, are you sure? Because I just checked my copy of The Killing Joke and the line's in there. Eh, either way, great line.
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Post by paragon on Aug 4, 2008 13:46:57 GMT -5
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Aug 4, 2008 13:51:02 GMT -5
So yeah, it did come from The Killing Joke, just making sure. Still, a brilliant line.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Aug 4, 2008 14:15:25 GMT -5
I think we should never go into the origin of this Joker because like Michael Myers, origin stories normally dont work.
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Post by maxx420 on Aug 4, 2008 16:01:33 GMT -5
I think we should never go into the origin of this Joker because like Michael Myers, origin stories normally dont work. I think it was Brian Bolland who said that the origin told in "The Killing Joke" is should not be the definitive version of Joker's origin, but rather one of many possibilities that The Joker has crafted in his mind. I like to think of it that way too. Nobody knows where he really came from. Who even knows if Jack Napier is his real name? Has he ever danced with the Devil by the pale moonlight?
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Post by kretchpoof on Aug 4, 2008 16:02:34 GMT -5
Just saw it again, and it was better the second time around.
However, can I just say something? I really don't think that it's a kids movie, at all, but if you do take your kids, make sure that they shut their stupid motherf***ing mouths! The worse thing is, the freakin' dad was explaining EVERYTHING to the kid! "Daddy, what does rookie mean?" SHUT UP!!!! Makes me wish I had a knife on me, I could've put a smile on his face...
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