bigHEADinc
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Post by bigHEADinc on Jul 28, 2008 10:01:00 GMT -5
Let me go ahead and throw my weight behind the "Stupid Batman Voice"... I noticed in the first one and somehow it actively GOT WORSE for the second one... I'm not saying I couldn't understand what he was saying, he just sounded stupid...
Thankfully he didn't have any long-winded conversations in it like in the first, though, as that would've been pretty bad.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jul 28, 2008 10:06:00 GMT -5
After watching it twice there was an awesome part of the movie I noticed. When Dent was threatening to kill the mad man if he didn't tell him about Joker, after he survived the first flip and didn't talk, Dent went on to flip again so he still had a shot at killing him. Leaving Batman, and the entire audience to believe that the Joker's chaos has already started to get to him. Then I remembered, that later on they reveal that his coin is double-headed, he was never going to kill him and never even considered it. He just used his ruthlessless picked up by being DA to get the information he needs to know. Why I like this is because it shows exactly how much Joker actually had to do to finally turn Dent to the "dark side". Greatness. Actually, I believe that was a legit two-sided coin he used in that scene. He only had one trick coin and he gave it to Rachel before she was blown to smitherines. In any event, I saw the film for a second time in IMAX this weekend and enjoyed it every bit as much as I did the first time. My two favorite scenes have to be the mob boss roundtable at the beginning with The Joker and his interrogation scene with Batman. What an amazing transformation by Heath Ledger. You'd never know it was him. It was his coin -- Batman took it from the scene of Rachel's death, and placed it on the bedside table when he visited Dent in the hospital. Only now, one side was covered in soot, while the other was still nice and shiny.
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Post by kretchpoof on Jul 28, 2008 10:11:18 GMT -5
I do have one complaint: how does no one realize that Bruce Wayne is Batman? He uses Wayne Enterprises tech (yes, I realize that there was a subplot with the accountant, but it didn't go far enough), and Batman showed up at a benefit for Harvey Dent at Bruce's penthouse. I do realize that there was a whole "Is Dent Batman or not?" subplot, but think about it, unless Dent can see into the future, it doesn't make any sense. How would he know that the Joker is going to show up, somehow plant a suit somewhere where it can't be seen, have time to get into it without being seen, and go after the Joker? Doesn't everything point to Bruce Wayne as Batman?
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Post by kretchpoof on Jul 28, 2008 10:14:26 GMT -5
Actually, I believe that was a legit two-sided coin he used in that scene. He only had one trick coin and he gave it to Rachel before she was blown to smitherines. In any event, I saw the film for a second time in IMAX this weekend and enjoyed it every bit as much as I did the first time. My two favorite scenes have to be the mob boss roundtable at the beginning with The Joker and his interrogation scene with Batman. What an amazing transformation by Heath Ledger. You'd never know it was him. It was his coin -- Batman took it from the scene of Rachel's death, and placed it on the bedside table when he visited Dent in the hospital. Only now, one side was covered in soot, while the other was still nice and shiny. What they were talking about happened before the explosion. I think Colt is right though. He gave Rachel the coin right as he was being thrown in the paddy wagon after confessing to being Batman. The other part happened during the chaos after Gordon got shot, and he still had the two-headed coin.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2008 10:16:18 GMT -5
I do have one complaint: how does no one realize that Bruce Wayne is Batman? He uses Wayne Enterprises tech (yes, I realize that there was a subplot with the accountant, but it didn't go far enough), and Batman showed up at a benefit for Harvey Dent at Bruce's penthouse. I do realize that there was a whole "Is Dent Batman or not?" subplot, but think about it, unless Dent can see into the future, it doesn't make any sense. How would he know that the Joker is going to show up, somehow plant a suit somewhere where it can't be seen, have time to get into it without being seen, and go after the Joker? Doesn't everything point to Bruce Wayne as Batman? Have you ever read comics?
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Post by MiLo Duck on Jul 28, 2008 10:16:30 GMT -5
I do have one complaint: how does no one realize that Bruce Wayne is Batman? He uses Wayne Enterprises tech (yes, I realize that there was a subplot with the accountant, but it didn't go far enough), and Batman showed up at a benefit for Harvey Dent at Bruce's penthouse. I do realize that there was a whole "Is Dent Batman or not?" subplot, but think about it, unless Dent can see into the future, it doesn't make any sense. How would he know that the Joker is going to show up, somehow plant a suit somewhere where it can't be seen, have time to get into it without being seen, and go after the Joker? Doesn't everything point to Bruce Wayne as Batman? Yeah if Batman's exploits were limited to Bruce Wayne related events it would. But he's all over the place and people just expect him to appear like magic. Its part of the mystique he created for the whole thing.
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Post by kretchpoof on Jul 28, 2008 10:21:29 GMT -5
I do have one complaint: how does no one realize that Bruce Wayne is Batman? He uses Wayne Enterprises tech (yes, I realize that there was a subplot with the accountant, but it didn't go far enough), and Batman showed up at a benefit for Harvey Dent at Bruce's penthouse. I do realize that there was a whole "Is Dent Batman or not?" subplot, but think about it, unless Dent can see into the future, it doesn't make any sense. How would he know that the Joker is going to show up, somehow plant a suit somewhere where it can't be seen, have time to get into it without being seen, and go after the Joker? Doesn't everything point to Bruce Wayne as Batman? Yeah if Batman's exploits were limited to Bruce Wayne related events it would. But he's all over the place and people just expect him to appear like magic. Its part of the mystique he created for the whole thing. I guess, but really, wouldn't it have to one of the people at the party? How could he have known that the Joker would show up, at a charity fundraiser no less, and have time to foil the Joker, especially when the events happened in less than five minutes? I get what you're saying, but it is a little bit of a plothole.
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Post by MiLo Duck on Jul 28, 2008 10:33:54 GMT -5
Yeah if Batman's exploits were limited to Bruce Wayne related events it would. But he's all over the place and people just expect him to appear like magic. Its part of the mystique he created for the whole thing. I guess, but really, wouldn't it have to one of the people at the party? How could he have known that the Joker would show up, at a charity fundraiser no less, and have time to foil the Joker, especially when the events happened in less than five minutes? I get what you're saying, but it is a little bit of a plothole. Maybe they think the Bat is always one step ahead, tracking down all the evil. Always watching, ever vigilant, ready to strike. Perhaps they just assume that he is flying around the city on his wings and ready to swoop into danger at a moments notice.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 28, 2008 10:42:53 GMT -5
Count me in with the "The Bat-Voice didn't faze me one bit" crowd. Yeah, it's gargle-y. Didn't bother me.
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Post by comahan on Jul 28, 2008 10:49:53 GMT -5
Count me in with the "The Bat-Voice didn't faze me one bit" crowd. Yeah, it's gargle-y. Didn't bother me. Same.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jul 28, 2008 10:51:34 GMT -5
I could understand him... it was just kind of distracting to me.
The voice, I mean.
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Post by BHB on Jul 28, 2008 10:53:09 GMT -5
I do have one complaint: how does no one realize that Bruce Wayne is Batman? He uses Wayne Enterprises tech (yes, I realize that there was a subplot with the accountant, but it didn't go far enough), and Batman showed up at a benefit for Harvey Dent at Bruce's penthouse. I do realize that there was a whole "Is Dent Batman or not?" subplot, but think about it, unless Dent can see into the future, it doesn't make any sense. How would he know that the Joker is going to show up, somehow plant a suit somewhere where it can't be seen, have time to get into it without being seen, and go after the Joker? Doesn't everything point to Bruce Wayne as Batman? I think the more important question is why does no on know that Superman is Clark Kent? All he does is take of his glasses. Seriously, thats got to be the worst disguise ever, yet no one notices.
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Post by MiLo Duck on Jul 28, 2008 10:55:22 GMT -5
Count me in with the "The Bat-Voice didn't faze me one bit" crowd. Yeah, it's gargle-y. Didn't bother me. Me too. Especially after watching the first one and Dark Knight a second time. I think Bale did it because his first bat-voice sounded too much like his actual voice.
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Post by kretchpoof on Jul 28, 2008 11:19:29 GMT -5
I do have one complaint: how does no one realize that Bruce Wayne is Batman? He uses Wayne Enterprises tech (yes, I realize that there was a subplot with the accountant, but it didn't go far enough), and Batman showed up at a benefit for Harvey Dent at Bruce's penthouse. I do realize that there was a whole "Is Dent Batman or not?" subplot, but think about it, unless Dent can see into the future, it doesn't make any sense. How would he know that the Joker is going to show up, somehow plant a suit somewhere where it can't be seen, have time to get into it without being seen, and go after the Joker? Doesn't everything point to Bruce Wayne as Batman? Have you ever read comics? Do you have something to add, or are you just going to ask stupid questions?
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Post by kretchpoof on Jul 28, 2008 11:21:44 GMT -5
I guess, but really, wouldn't it have to one of the people at the party? How could he have known that the Joker would show up, at a charity fundraiser no less, and have time to foil the Joker, especially when the events happened in less than five minutes? I get what you're saying, but it is a little bit of a plothole. Maybe they think the Bat is always one step ahead, tracking down all the evil. Always watching, ever vigilant, ready to strike. Perhaps they just assume that he is flying around the city on his wings and ready to swoop into danger at a moments notice. I guess. It's just something that I wondered about, it didn't diminish my enjoyment of the movie or anything. Although, I still wonder how the Joker knew who Batman really was. They sort of intimate that he knows the truth.
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Post by macdaddysquid on Jul 28, 2008 11:57:55 GMT -5
been a few days since I chimed in...
I have now seen it seven times. Not bragging or anything I just like the movie.
Now I think Robin could be acceptable if it were Jason Todd so he can be killed during the flick. I do not want to see Riddler or Penguin, or catwoman, or Bane. I want something new and different. Clayface, killer croc, hatter.
I am not bothered by his voice, he has to disguise himself, especially around people like Dent who know Bruce. You'll notice he doesn't use the voice when he is talking to Rachel and Fox.
My one disappointment is that Scarecrow had only that one small part.
When a movie makes Dark Knight kind of money expect everyone involved with the project to come back. Nolan isn't fooling anyone.
All that said, does anyone have any more gifs?
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Post by Batman on Jul 28, 2008 12:10:33 GMT -5
My one disappointment is that Scarecrow had only that one small part. This actually bothered me a bit... Not so much that he only had a small part, but that he was sort of marginalized as a weak villain. It would be very difficult to bring him back now as a serious threat.
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Post by kretchpoof on Jul 28, 2008 12:15:18 GMT -5
My one disappointment is that Scarecrow had only that one small part. This actually bothered me a bit... Not so much that he only had a small part, but that he was sort of marginalized as a weak villain. It would be very difficult to bring him back now as a serious threat. But he was always physically weak, his strength is that he can create chemicals and toxins that can mess people up.
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Post by Doctor Tull-eus S. Venture on Jul 28, 2008 12:15:30 GMT -5
My one disappointment is that Scarecrow had only that one small part. This actually bothered me a bit... Not so much that he only had a small part, but that he was sort of marginalized as a weak villain. It would be very difficult to bring him back now as a serious threat. To me this makes sense. Having lost his professional status as a psychiatrist, plus the backing of Ra's Al Ghul to make the fear toxins, and Scarecrow is in effect reduced to a bit player. Hence, his dabbling in two-bit crimes at the beginning. But I assume that he's been on the lam since the end of BB, and therefore may not have been able to establish himself. What would have been a great plot point is if somehow during the madness that Gotham was plunged into, he could have gotten access to some of that stockpiled cash, which would allow him to set up his operations again. After all, it didn't look like all the money burnt up in the warehouse.
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Post by Batman on Jul 28, 2008 12:42:21 GMT -5
What would have been a great plot point is if somehow during the madness that Gotham was plunged into, he could have gotten access to some of that stockpiled cash, which would allow him to set up his operations again. After all, it didn't look like all the money burnt up in the warehouse. I fully endorse this somehow being integrated into the third film.
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