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Post by chairshotshurthead on Oct 2, 2008 17:47:44 GMT -5
The "Hot Tag" annoys me to know end. Why? Only faces use it and the heels NEVER counter it! It's the same freakin' formula for every Face vs. Heel tag match. Why can't we ever have good, back and fourth tag matches? Is that too much to ask? Um, because if you didn't have the hot tag, there would be no f***ing comeback for the faces? You know, the entire point the match is BUILT TO? The point where the HEROES actually get to BEAT the villains? The whole reason we HAVE faces and heels? The whole point of the STORY in tag team matches? The reward for the crowd to actually GET INTO A MATCH? Yeah, we don't need hot tags in wrestling.
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Post by mrjl on Oct 2, 2008 19:48:17 GMT -5
I HATE the top rope "leg up boot" spot. Just because 99% of the time, the guy is going for a double axe handle. I mean, you never see a guy hitting a double axe handle from there... BECAUSE HIS OPPONENT'S FN ON THE GROUND. I've seen a few guys hit a move from that position. The end result looks a lot like Bret Hart's second rope elbow. And on top of that the referee always holding back the babyface tag team partner while the heels are double teaming his opponent behind the ref's back. Would it really cause a cataclysm in the wrestling business to have referees act competent instead of like bumbling jackasses? Would the universe implode if they had referees not fall over like they were made out of cardboard after an accidental slap or inadvertent elbow? I'd like to see a face pick up the ref and turn around so he can see the double team. Oh yeah, the "phantom" women's title switch happened to because of that, apparently. I *believe* Melina was champ and Mickie won the belt and dropped it back to her somewhere in Europe. WWE even mentioned it on air and it's listed on their webpage. Although, I haven't seen the match so I dunno if it was that (it was during that time, though) or if it was planned all along. What happened was there was an accidental pin on Victoria in a triple threat. Whenever anyone attempted a powerbomb on Kidman. I think this spot was in EVERY single match he competed in. They'd go for a powerbomb..and miraculously..Kidman would counter into a facebuster. Other than that..nothing else really bothers me that much. Nah the best thing about that was by 2000-2001 it was mostly wrestlers who'd never done a powerbomb before, or not since wrestling school. What I didn't like is they were so lazy about it. Kidman also does a hurricanrana. So let him set that up, have the opponent block it and he's in the exact same position he would be in in the powerbomb. as much as i love jeff hardy's wrestling, i don't like his whisper in the wind, because i can't ever tell what he's trying to connect with. is is a back/body splash? is it a kick? did it even connect? jeff is awesome, but this spot never made sense to me. In my opinion he's just trying to collide with the opponent, he doesn't care what body part hits. Carlito gets his ass kicked for like 15 minutes, finally makes the tag to Primo, Primo does his wacky 70's offense for like 30 seconds, Carlito gets TAGGED BACK IN and is magically healed of all the offense he took so he can get the win. They did springboard dropkicks in the 70's? I hate spots where a guy who never ever ever ever climbs the ropes for high spots gets caught and tossed off Examples: Ric Flair, John Cena, Hulk Hogan, etc. Cena regularly hits a Famasser off the top. Flair probably came off successfully five percent of th time. Rey Mysterio's opponents always conveniently making their way into the ropes for the 619. I wish he'd do more directional one. Have a guy leaning on the top rope tired and hit him with one in the stomach or something
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Post by chairshotshurthead on Oct 2, 2008 20:12:12 GMT -5
They did springboard dropkicks in the 70's? Primo Colon, from all the times I have seen him, does not do springboard dropkicks. Cartwheels into dropkicks, sure. Missile dropkicks straight out of Stampede, you bet. A high cross off the top rope, abso-friggin-lutely. Springboards, not exactly. Which is probably why when he does all his retro offense, he doesn't do them as far as I have seen.
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Post by mrjl on Oct 2, 2008 20:24:29 GMT -5
They did springboard dropkicks in the 70's? Primo Colon, from all the times I have seen him, does not do springboard dropkicks. Cartwheels into dropkicks, sure. Missile dropkicks straight out of Stampede, you bet. A high cross off the top rope, abso-friggin-lutely. Springboards, not exactly. Which is probably why when he does all his retro offense, he doesn't do them as far as I have seen. He doesn't do it Lance Storm style but he does do them. It's one of those ones where you land on your ass. The same style as the standing one Tugboat/Typhoon used to do.
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Post by Krimzon on Oct 2, 2008 20:40:52 GMT -5
The "Hot Tag" annoys me to know end. Why? Only faces use it and the heels NEVER counter it! It's the same freakin' formula for every Face vs. Heel tag match. Why can't we ever have good, back and fourth tag matches? Is that too much to ask? Um, because if you didn't have the hot tag, there would be no smurfing comeback for the faces? You know, the entire point the match is BUILT TO? The point where the HEROES actually get to BEAT the villains? The whole reason we HAVE faces and heels? The whole point of the STORY in tag team matches? The reward for the crowd to actually GET INTO A MATCH? Yeah, we don't need hot tags in wrestling. Who the hell said get rid of it? It just needs to change. Heels should be able to use it too. The faces aren't the only ones that should win using that formula. All I've seen since I can remember is faces using the hot tag to win or the heels winning dirty. That formula is stale as hell. Changing it every now and then wouldn't hurt.
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Post by mrjl on Oct 2, 2008 21:01:58 GMT -5
Um, because if you didn't have the hot tag, there would be no smurfing comeback for the faces? You know, the entire point the match is BUILT TO? The point where the HEROES actually get to BEAT the villains? The whole reason we HAVE faces and heels? The whole point of the STORY in tag team matches? The reward for the crowd to actually GET INTO A MATCH? Yeah, we don't need hot tags in wrestling. Who the hell said get rid of it? It just needs to change. Heels should be able to use it too. The faces aren't the only ones that should win using that formula. All I've seen since I can remember is faces using the hot tag to win or the heels winning dirty. That formula is stale as hell. Changing it every now and then wouldn't hurt. Sometimes the heel team is dominat enough they can put the faces away clean
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Post by justinqx on Oct 2, 2008 21:57:46 GMT -5
Data's cat
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Post by chairshotshurthead on Oct 3, 2008 5:24:28 GMT -5
Primo Colon, from all the times I have seen him, does not do springboard dropkicks. Cartwheels into dropkicks, sure. Missile dropkicks straight out of Stampede, you bet. A high cross off the top rope, abso-friggin-lutely. Springboards, not exactly. Which is probably why when he does all his retro offense, he doesn't do them as far as I have seen. He doesn't do it Lance Storm style but he does do them. It's one of those ones where you land on your ass. The same style as the standing one Tugboat/Typhoon used to do. Ah, well I stand corrected then. Um, because if you didn't have the hot tag, there would be no smurfing comeback for the faces? You know, the entire point the match is BUILT TO? The point where the HEROES actually get to BEAT the villains? The whole reason we HAVE faces and heels? The whole point of the STORY in tag team matches? The reward for the crowd to actually GET INTO A MATCH? Yeah, we don't need hot tags in wrestling. Who the hell said get rid of it? It just needs to change. Heels should be able to use it too. The faces aren't the only ones that should win using that formula. All I've seen since I can remember is faces using the hot tag to win or the heels winning dirty. That formula is stale as hell. Changing it every now and then wouldn't hurt. Yes, HEELS using FACE TACTICS to win. What a brilliant idea and not at all a complete failure because it goes against the logic of having faces and heels. Seriously, the point of a hot tag is to get the audience to RALLY BEHIND THE FACES so that when the face makes the tag and his partner runs wild on the heels, it's the exciting climax to the match that REWARDS the audience for GETTING BEHIND THE FACE. It's entire purpose is to fire up the crowd for the face comeback, hence why it's called a Hot Tag. How exactly would a Heel Hot Tag work? The faces beat the living crap out of the heels for a while, so then the heel finally and heroically makes the tag to his partner and kicks the crap out of them before being a total dick? Don't fix what ain't broken dude.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 3, 2008 6:26:46 GMT -5
I'm sure that some of you are familiar with this spot. Wrestler A is perched on the top turnbuckle when wrestler B goes for a superplex. Wrestler C then goes for a powerbomb on wrestler B, while wrestler A gets superplexed at the same time. This spot took place during the championship scramble match for the WWE title, and nearly EVERY EPISODE of TNA Impact a few years back. It looks so damn phony and staged. Agreed. It looked great the very first time I saw it. Kinda neat the second time. But then it started turning up in every other match, and I got bored of seeing it.
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Post by oubon on Oct 3, 2008 9:03:40 GMT -5
A lot have been said already, but in the "we can see it doesn't hurt a bit" :
_619 of course. Many have said the set up is horrible. That's true, but the worse for me is that Rey make it so slowly, and the other guy just seems to drop himself on the gound.
Spot that obviously doens't connect or hurt are what kills Wrestling nowaday i think...
_The whisper in the wind NEVER EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER hits the opponent. Worse than that, it oftenly miss by a big margin. There isn't one only camera that can make it look ok.
_The steel cage DOENST'T MAKE PEOPLE BLEED !! It's not a smurfing wall by christ sake. When i just see a guy hitting a really light wire mesh, and going all “my head meets a train !”, it’s a pain in the ass.
_Champion belts are maybe heavy in real, but in tv, they look like cheap fabric… How can we believe they knock out each other with it…
_Roll up ! That’s the worst. It’s never fast enough (and well done) for wrestler to not look like he’s just waiting his opponent to win… That’s the case where children discovers wrestling is fake ! Fortunatly, Evan Bourne makes the best roll up in the world, and can make us believe he pin a 300 pounds guy by surprise, and it works !
This guy will save wrestling !
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Post by FreZno on Oct 3, 2008 14:18:22 GMT -5
Evan Bourne makes the best roll up in the world No, sir. Betty Crocker makes the best roll up in the world.
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Post by Sparvid on Oct 3, 2008 14:59:23 GMT -5
I'd like to see a face pick up the ref and turn around so he can see the double team. Christian did the (sorta) opposite of that in a WWE match. He whipped his opponent toward the ropes, and then grabbed the ref and turned him around, while Tomko hit the other wrestler once before walking away. So the ref, while annoyed at Christian, didn't DQ him (since he didn't exactly attack an official) and didn't see Tomko doing anything illegal ;D
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Post by Nacho STAYS Hyped on Oct 3, 2008 15:30:16 GMT -5
Another thing: When HBK hits Sweet Chin Music on somebody, the opponent is usually fine the next week. When MVP and Gregory Helms hit their Shining Wizard-like finishers, the opponent is usually fine the next week. When William Regal used to hit "The Power of the Punch", with brass knuckles, the opponent is usually fine the next week.
So what makes Randy Orton's head punt so devastating that it causes his opponents to have long-term injuries?
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Post by mrjl on Oct 3, 2008 15:50:27 GMT -5
I'm sure that some of you are familiar with this spot. Wrestler A is perched on the top turnbuckle when wrestler B goes for a superplex. Wrestler C then goes for a powerbomb on wrestler B, while wrestler A gets superplexed at the same time. This spot took place during the championship scramble match for the WWE title, and nearly EVERY EPISODE of TNA Impact a few years back. It looks so damn phony and staged. Agreed. It looked great the very first time I saw it. Kinda neat the second time. But then it started turning up in every other match, and I got bored of seeing it. And then there's it's even bigger variation where multiple men do the superplex and the power bombs and sometimes there's even back superplexes thrown in. I'd like to see one guy choose to stay out of the spot then hit as top rope move on someone and end the match there.
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Post by spaceship on Oct 3, 2008 22:08:09 GMT -5
Missed dropkicks. They always land on their back. They land on their side if they connect with it. They should land on their side either way. It makes no sense.
There's also a lot of moves out there that look really cool, but in reality, shouldn't be worse than a bodyslam.
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Post by chairshotshurthead on Oct 3, 2008 22:20:51 GMT -5
Missed dropkicks. They always land on their back. They land on their side if they connect with it. They should land on their side either way. It makes no sense. There's also a lot of moves out there that look really cool, but in reality, shouldn't be worse than a bodyslam. It's actually a lot safer to take the flat back bump off the missile dropkick ala Dynamite Kid or Owen Hart back in the day because you avoid the risk of landing wrong and blowing out a knee or breaking an arm or something.
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Post by mcmxzyptlk on Oct 3, 2008 22:24:02 GMT -5
Nobody's mentioned the stinkface yet?
I don't know how that's supposed to be so devastating...the opponent probably won't be able to keep food down for a few days, and they might have nightmares about it in their sleep, but still.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2008 23:01:04 GMT -5
I hate that spot where a wrestler picks the opponent up on their shoulders, then runs through the crowd naked trying to prompt them to do that "you got teabagged! *clap clap...clap clap clap* chant then afterwards he runs back and does that electric chair onto the ringsteps before going to the top rope, setting their ass on fire, and doing a bonzai drop down onto the prone opponent.
Seriously it's like EVERY show.
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Post by chairshotshurthead on Oct 4, 2008 1:57:01 GMT -5
I hate that spot where a wrestler picks the opponent up on their shoulders, then runs through the crowd naked trying to prompt them to do that "you got teabagged! *clap clap...clap clap clap* chant then afterwards he runs back and does that electric chair onto the ringsteps before going to the top rope, setting their ass on fire, and doing a bonzai drop down onto the prone opponent. Seriously it's like EVERY show. Somehow, I don't think you're taking this thread seriously.
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Post by Shanti on Oct 4, 2008 2:10:52 GMT -5
The 619 for sure. Also I hate it when Victoria falls out of the ring only because I'm that she will break her neck.
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