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Post by taylorandborland on May 12, 2009 19:25:37 GMT -5
Whether you like, hate, are in awe of or are indifferent to him, speak your head here. He's been pretty involved with wrestling history (understatement of the decade), so let's hear it.
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Post by Mayonnaise on May 12, 2009 19:26:58 GMT -5
Visionary, brilliant but, behind the times.
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Post by heyguesswhatidid on May 12, 2009 19:27:34 GMT -5
He's the PT Barnum of this generation, the greatest promoter in the world.
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Post by The OP on May 12, 2009 19:33:38 GMT -5
I think Vince at his best is hilarious and one of the most entertaining people on television. I consider Donald Trump's TV presence to be a watered down, network TV version of McMahon. He misses the target sometimes (Dr. Heiney), but overall I think he's been very entertaining.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 19:35:34 GMT -5
He's the PT Barnum of this generation, the greatest promoter in the world.
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Bill S. Preston, Esq.
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Post by Magician under the moonlight on May 12, 2009 19:37:16 GMT -5
I do respect him for what he did to wrestling. But Seeing him on TV now is just not right for me.
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Post by nt86 on May 12, 2009 19:44:00 GMT -5
He can get a bit nutty, but overall has given so much to wrestling that even his crappy decisions are mitigated.
His success, money and longevity speak for themselves.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 12, 2009 19:51:34 GMT -5
I'm glad that he gave us the WWF, but I hate the direction he's let the company go in since the name change. Really hate him for prostituting ECW.
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Post by The F'N Captain on May 12, 2009 20:27:35 GMT -5
J.R. should look at Vince for the true meaning of "controversial". He's made as many brilliant moves as he has either risky or just downright mind boggling ones. He's a very generous and open minded man in some respects and in others close minded and stubborn as a mule. As of right now, he's simply showing his age, it's hard to be fresh and new when you're 60+ years old. Also as compelling as his "MISTER MC-MAHON" character was against SCSA his onscreen presence is tired and used more or less for a cheap pop or heel heat, he has no real contribution as a viable onscreen performer beyond a figurehead for the company. Much like Bruce Wayne, Vince would do better to work behind the scenes and being a corporate face than actually digging into being so obsessed with every nuance of his family business. He can also be Batman if he really wants to .
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Post by ♥ Bunnyslinger ♥ on May 12, 2009 20:29:53 GMT -5
Easily the best wrestling promoter of all time, and a good character on TV, But I think he's behind the times now.
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Post by dabossftw on May 12, 2009 20:36:14 GMT -5
The man walks the fine line between genius and insanity, and just can't be stopped when it comes to this business. Period. No matter how many WCW's or TNA's there are, or even if they become the #1 promotion in the business...Vince and the WWE will always exist in some form. He beat everyone else to the punch when he raided the territories and got the best of the best for his company.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 20:38:20 GMT -5
Can someone post the pic of Bloody Vince peeking over the Apron looking like Satan?
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Post by wwerules60 on May 12, 2009 20:43:03 GMT -5
He made professional wrestling into the thing that we all love today and the fact that no one can tell where Vince's character ends and the real man begins shows what a brilliant performer he is.
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Post by BorneAgain on May 12, 2009 20:44:29 GMT -5
I wonder about Vince sometimes. Granted a visionary businessman, and easily an innovative promoter, but... there's an obsession he has with the business, that I suspect has done some damage.
On some level I think the guy lives in a bubble, that allows him to keep the WWE going and remain fairly successful, but perhaps has sabotaged his efforts in non-wrestling areas. I get a Charles Foster Kane vibe from him sometimes. Not nearly as lonely of course, but definitely cut off from a lot of the world around him.
With the childhood abuse I've heard he suffered, both from his stepfather and mother, it makes me question how much that has affected his POV.
I guess I'm quite grateful for what he's done to the business, but I can't help but wonder if on some level he's attached himself too closely to a business that he himself has such a complex relationship with.
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Post by Citizen Grimm on May 12, 2009 20:52:48 GMT -5
The man walks the fine line between genius and insanity. Exactly. Vince is a visonary for professional wrestling and remains as one today. However, without the competition of WCW around, Vince has allowed himself to become complacent. I'm hoping that Vince will go back to being behind the scenes and leave his family out of storyline in the future.
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Post by Yami Daimao on May 12, 2009 20:55:53 GMT -5
Can someone post the pic of Bloody Vince peeking over the Apron looking like Satan? Visionary, brilliant but, behind the times. My thoughts exact.
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Post by thesunbeast on May 12, 2009 21:46:01 GMT -5
No doubt vince is a genius. So many people think that a genius has to be someone they like, and if they don't like them, they try to find a way to say that they aren't a genius. Based off of most of the criteria that people use to classify someone as a genius, I think vince would HAVE to be considered genius.
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Post by ani on May 12, 2009 21:54:04 GMT -5
Genius who's slowly losing his mind ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 21:56:05 GMT -5
I like him. He's showing his age in some decisions but nobody's perfect.
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Post by h on May 12, 2009 21:57:22 GMT -5
He is guilty of taking the wrestlers who made him rich and allowing (and even encouraging) them to die at extremely young ages. He lied about creating a drug testing program in 1994 and needs to take a major share of the responsibility for all WWF wrestlers who have since had their lives shortened or ended by the drug abuse that he turned a blind eye to. I recognize that the wrestlers need to share responsibility themselves, but he bought good publicity with his fake testing program and has their blood on his hands.
He is also a lousy hypocrite when it comes to health care for the employees who made him rich. If they're not employees, they need to be free to wrestle for any company at any time. If they're employees, he needs to arrange for adequate health care.
Furthermore, he has taken an industry that used to showcase wrestlers and used it to serve his own ego. Linda, Shane, Stephanie, and Vince have taken time away from actually wrestling in the mistaken belief that they're even remotely entertaining. Because of this, none of his monopoly is worth watching.
Speaking of monopolies, Vince's hypocrisy shines through again. Far from the anti-monopoly views that he claimed to hold during the Time Warner merger, he has cornered the market on professional wrestling. Does he still believe that such companies should be forced to split up? Strangely enough, no. Go figure.
In addition, he has played a major role in the moral decline of society. Nowhere in the late 1990s was the sharp decline of standards on television (both in terms of language and what could be shown) more obvious than WWF programming.
I hold hope for people like Jeffrey Dahmer and Adolf Hitler that they could repent prior to death and escape eternal damnation. I have no doubt, however, that Satan has had a spot reserved for Vince McMahon for many years now.
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