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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Sept 12, 2009 17:04:28 GMT -5
Top 10 Reasons
1. Because there was always the other guy or guys. Austin and Rock.
2. They did not constantly get over or beat the odds. It happened alot, but there also plenty of times where they didn't.
3. The both were allowed to develop their own character, when Cena's stuff is pretty much written word for word by writers.
4. He's been relativly healthy, which works against him. Both Austin and Rock had very large periods of inactivity to give the viewer a chance to take a break from them.
5. The Brand Split means that you see the same guy being a big part of the show every week.
6. He's impeded by having to always be a face, and not only that, be a face with little edge at this point.
7. Unlike Austin, Rock, Trips, ect, Cena was the first guy in a while that while mainstream was specificially marketed to a younger crowd, which was much different then the older teenage crowd that used to be the market.
8. Lack of interesting opponents. Cena fights Trips, Cena fights Orton. That's it. The most refreshing angle with him was the one vs Youmanga.
9. He is a representative of the growing shift in demographics. Many fans just hate on him because of what he represents.
10. They try to hard. Every week it's a new shirt ripping off a company. Every week he overcomes more odds. Why? Because the WWE hasn't made many new stars, so they milk the shit of of this one.
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Post by parder on Sept 12, 2009 17:04:36 GMT -5
Lots of possible reasons:
Less cynical/disillusioned fanbase, they were symbols of an era when wrestling was generally a hotter product, the storylines/booking, along with character development in terms of their rise to the top were better.
But having said that, the young adult male audience had been drifting away from WWE even before the rise of Cena. But his rise did help to bring in a lot of kids, and by extension more of a family audience, which helped stem some of the popularity decline from the peak of the Attitude era. So the Cena hate era can be overrated at times.
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Post by metylerca on Sept 12, 2009 17:12:06 GMT -5
Cena's stuff is pretty much written word for word by writers. How do you know this? What if Cena was the one writing his own promos?
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Post by Bo Rida on Sept 12, 2009 17:18:29 GMT -5
I think there's a feeling that their ascendancy happened a bit more naturally, the WWF made it feel like the fans picked them for stardom rather than the WWF forcing them on us. When you break it down there's loads of holes in those opinions but time changes things.
The other factor is that their shtick wasn't something that had been seen before, or at least since Hogan, Cena is often accused of being an amalgamation of the three.
Finally they had Vince to go up against and at the time he was one of the most hated heels in history.
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Post by Porter on Sept 12, 2009 17:19:29 GMT -5
You can actually go to google groups and look up 90's threads.There's some posts calling Austin "stale" and of course his moveset was bashed too.
And Rock was hated on a lot in 2002.It was a mix of him leaving for movies and being face.
Rock was always more popular online as a heel.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Sept 12, 2009 17:22:48 GMT -5
Cena's stuff is pretty much written word for word by writers. How do you know this? What if Cena was the one writing his own promos? His promos would be a lot more entertaining if he was doing it all himself. Cena is a witty and amusing guy when you hear him talk outside of WWE. There's no way the cheesy crap he spews on Raw is all him.
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Post by sunnytaker on Sept 12, 2009 17:26:33 GMT -5
i do remember someone saying the Rock was the only person who could do an entire 10 minute promo saying nothing but his own catchphrases.
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Post by taylorandborland on Sept 12, 2009 17:38:27 GMT -5
Cena's stuff is pretty much written word for word by writers. How do you know this? What if Cena was the one writing his own promos? Because Cena was writing his own promos before he first came to Raw, and they were ten times better than what he's doing now. it's more likely that his material is written by somebody else than that his own creative talent suddenly vanished in the span a month.
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Post by Prince Petty on Sept 12, 2009 17:53:43 GMT -5
Compared to just 8 years ago, the internet is almost omnipresent. Fans, as a whole, are now 'smarter' than they've ever been. And it seems a part of being 'smart' is to dislike guys like Cena, who were not pushed for their wrestling ability, but for the overall package they presented to management.
In the late '90s, early '00s, the internet and the IWC was barely out of its infancy. There were less fans at televised shows who had read or considered the criticisms of Austin and Rock.
Having said that, I would also say that much of it was down to the fact that both were more talented than Cena in pretty much every department, were able to connect with the large arena audiences much better, and stayed fresh through being able to blur the lines between face and heel.
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Post by taylorandborland on Sept 12, 2009 18:45:28 GMT -5
The simple fact is, the E turned Austin and Rock when they started to get stale.
They didn't do that with Cena, for whatever reason. Back in 06 they pretty much just left the dude out to dry in front of pissed off crowds, going on with the shtick as if nothing was wrong.
I mean, what kind of shit is that?
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Post by Dynamite Kid on Sept 12, 2009 19:22:01 GMT -5
They got that kind of heat on here, or so I'm told - but you forget that Rock and Austin actually lost.
Less so Austin, but Rock got pinned a LOT, and often when it didn't mean f*** all either, like at Armageddon 2000 when Angle just put a hand on him.
Austin and Rock both got screwed out of a lot of belts too, which a lot of the time wouldn't happen with Cena. Cena overcame virtually every obstacle, whereas Austin was 1. usually chasing the belt and 2. lost to Vince reasonably often by comparison.
Rock lost quite a lot, and a whole ton of his reigns could easily be considered transitional.
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Post by Prince Petty on Sept 12, 2009 19:26:10 GMT -5
Rock lost quite a lot, and a whole ton of his reigns could easily be considered transitional. Because Rock was secure enough in his position that he wasn't terrified that a loss would damage his prospects, and wasn't obsessed with carrying the belt. He knew those things didn't matter if you were truly popular with the fans, and making money for the company. It's a shame more top guys didn't have that enlightened view of the business.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 12, 2009 19:52:08 GMT -5
They DID get Cena hate. Rock didn't turn heel at the end for the hell of it.
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Post by metylerca on Sept 12, 2009 20:08:35 GMT -5
How do you know this? What if Cena was the one writing his own promos? His promos would be a lot more entertaining if he was doing it all himself. Cena is a witty and amusing guy when you hear him talk outside of WWE. There's no way the cheesy crap he spews on Raw is all him. But what if it is? I mean, for all the claims I've seen on facts on this site, there sure is a lack of evidence supporting claims here. It would be as though I went around saying that CM Punk is really a dick backstage and politicked his way to beat Jeff Hardy by bringing his drug past into complaints. Nobody would believe me, and I wouldn't expect them to because I have nothing backing up my alleged insider knowledge. So why is it suddenly impossible for Cena to be unable to write his own promos? What if he, himself, changed his character to appeal to a wider audience (whatever that means)?
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Post by taylorandborland on Sept 12, 2009 20:09:05 GMT -5
Maybe it had something to do with wins and losses at first, but then that was just the outcry. After a while the real reason for hating on Cena was because the E kept his shtick going despite fans saying no. i.e., they were pretending to not listen. "Cena Sucks" was a cry for help
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Sept 12, 2009 20:18:48 GMT -5
I was online then and the Rock hate was pretty bad Austin too but most of the complaints on Austin were a bit more legitimate. The thing is nobody says much if they are happy, people only seem to post when they are upset about something.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Sept 12, 2009 20:39:02 GMT -5
There's been a lot of good reasons but the main is that they were both way better than Cena.
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Post by taylorandborland on Sept 12, 2009 20:41:16 GMT -5
His promos would be a lot more entertaining if he was doing it all himself. Cena is a witty and amusing guy when you hear him talk outside of WWE. There's no way the cheesy crap he spews on Raw is all him. But what if it is? *snip* So why is it suddenly impossible for Cena to be unable to write his own promos? What if he, himself, changed his character to appeal to a wider audience (whatever that means)? Read my post. It's common knowledge that Cena used to write his own promos while he was working his way up on SD. They were far more dynamic than what he's doing now. His current promos have NONE of the trappings of his old ones. Throughout history writers have always been noted for their styles and idiosyncracies, even when they try to change it up. Now, while it's possible that he suddenly stopped being talented, it's more likely that some hack took over the job for him. Why are you so averse to the idea of Cena's promos not being his own? What are you driving at? You know something that we don't?
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Sept 12, 2009 20:54:28 GMT -5
Why did people hate The Rock? What was there to hate? The catch phrases and his whole persona pretty much. Its silly because he was one of, if not THE most over wrestler in WWE history because of it, but because some people on the internet thought it was annoying it "sucked". Well, I love The Rock, but there was a point where he started to wear really thin. Maybe it was late 2000 or into 2001, but it was where he had more or less stopped giving engaging promos and just became nothing but a catchphrase machine (with catchphrases that were becoming progressively weaker, to the point where we reached "How's Your Lips?"). The problem with Cena, though, is that he had a really great character that was stripped away to the pandering goon we have today. It would be the equivalent of The Rock debuting as such, and then becoming the "Blue Chipper" upon turning face. They're not letting Cena be as good as he is.
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Post by Snowman on Sept 12, 2009 20:56:09 GMT -5
Because Rock and Austin were awesome.
and Cena is a dick.
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