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Post by Chuckie Finster on May 10, 2009 2:23:23 GMT -5
Seeing several people say they watched ECW post-mortem and didn't like it makes me sad that the next generation will crap on it because of how badly it has aged due to the storylines being beat used over and over by many indies, WWE, TNA and so on. ECW was a product of it's time and no other time. The Indy scene copied ECW from 2001-2003 and then ROH turned the indies into workrate fests and since ECW was NEVER about workrate, it was thought of less and less. everybody stole from ECW and made it better. During the late-1990s boom, WCW and WWE/F did everything ECW did and did it better. Your opinion but your not giving credit to Heymen and the wrestlers for innovating what WCW and WWF later used. In your opinion they did it better, but it's easier (and lazier albeit smart) to use something tried and true than innovate on your own. I'd like to hear some examples from you. Raven/Dreamer. Best built fued ever. this alone made it great. But I agree that therewas a lot of crap too. How many people heard of Raven and Dreamer and their so called epic feud when they were in ECW? That argument doesn't even make sense. Many people heard of the feud and caused ECW to get bigger and stronger at the time. This whole argument reminds me of the ECW t-shirt that said ECW: It's not for everyone
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Post by FunkerCM on May 10, 2009 4:28:31 GMT -5
Early ECW from 1993 is nothing to write home about.
1994 got steadily better then from 1995 through to mid-1999 it was the best promotion in North America.
Going on TNN pretty much killed it off which was a shame.
Only thing that was ever overrated about ECW was Shane Douglas - legend in his own mind still to this day.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2009 4:29:33 GMT -5
I loved it. I got into ECW right before the Barely Legal ppv and I remember vividly the first time I saw Taz just destroy people. When I had the opportunity, I watched the show every week and sought out the earlier stuff. Watched it on TNN and enjoyed it. I thought it was awesome at the time and still love it.
It doesn't have to change anything. It doesn't have to influence anything. I liked it for what it was. Honestly, if others don't like it, think its overrated, think that it was garbage, and dislike the talk about it, that's their right. Doesn't make me lose any sleep at night. I've come to realize that, whatever you like, there are going to be people that want to tear it down, both for legitimate and illegitimate reasons. I'll like what I like, you'll like what you like, and let's leave it at that.
I thought it was amazing. I also thought the Attitude era, early 90's WCW, old school NWA wrestling, puroresu both male and female, lucha libre, and the limited amount of British wrestling I've watched was amazing. Instead of thinking about whether something in the wrestling world was/is overrated or not, I just sit down and watch it and either enjoy it or not. It really isn't that much more complex.
And yes, I really like current WWE, a good portion of TNA, and what I've seen from many indies across the world.
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Post by alanguitar1 on May 10, 2009 4:51:12 GMT -5
Been watching 1998 ecw tonight, and the wrestling and promos are awesome with the usual ones, shane, van dam, lance, triple thread, taz, etc, it's the brawlers who can't wrestle and just throw all the weapons around that drags the show down and makes you fast forward, the justin credible, tommy/sandman/jackvictory/new jack stuff is pretty awful, but the van dam/candido/storm/shane/sabu is all great. I think it's like wwf or wcw, you have to qualify "___ = good, ___ = not so good"
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Post by Judas Heyman on May 15, 2009 3:42:34 GMT -5
Bottomline is ECW was awesome for the ECW fans, and it has not aged very well. ;D
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Post by baerrtt on May 15, 2009 14:11:08 GMT -5
ECW, imo, has aged better than Attitude era WWF. ECW did 'edgy' and it WAS edgy whilst in retrospect alot of the 'edgy' stuff the WWF did to reclaim their no 1 spot looks childish.
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Post by Jay Peas 42 on May 17, 2009 14:49:18 GMT -5
Well, the whole Attitude Era had it's flaws.
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Post by Judas Heyman on May 20, 2009 3:55:19 GMT -5
Well, the whole Attitude Era had it's flaws. Yeah, but it was definitely better than ECW On TNN.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on May 20, 2009 4:02:23 GMT -5
Well, the whole Attitude Era had it's flaws. Yeah, but it was definitely better than ECW On TNN. By the time ECW went to TNN, they were stripped of the talent that made them great. Shane Douglas was gone, Taz and the Dudleys were on their way out, Stevie was gone, Saturn was gone. Raven came back too late. Al Snow was gone. ECW was a shell of it's former self by then. All they really had was RVD.
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Post by alanguitar1 on May 20, 2009 5:12:42 GMT -5
that's true, watch the tnn show, it's the same 8 guys basically every episode
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Post by Baixo Astral on May 20, 2009 5:23:35 GMT -5
Both.
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Post by allstar on May 20, 2009 5:33:13 GMT -5
ECW in 1996 was awesome.
Other years had their moments, some more than others. It did get pretty sad towards the end.
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Post by Judas Heyman on May 20, 2009 12:05:19 GMT -5
ECW in 1996 was awesome. Other years had their moments, some more than others. It did get pretty sad towards the end. I saw some ECW PPV's from 1999 on Youtube and it was below average from a production standpoint and the in ring action is average at its best. I dont want to go off topic but did Taz have the gimmick of some shoot fighter with a bipolar syndrome....because his mood always changed?
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Post by MGH on May 20, 2009 13:36:02 GMT -5
I just find that it doesn't stand the test of time at ALL.
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Post by mrfujiwara on May 20, 2009 14:24:52 GMT -5
Hit up RFVideo.com and buy seasons of TV. You can't just watch Hardcore Heaven 95 and appreciate it.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on May 20, 2009 16:09:04 GMT -5
In retrospect, I think the awesomeness of ECW could only truly be felt watching it week to week. Seeing guys like Sabu or Rey Misterio for the 1st time can never be replicated. Watching things like the epic Dreamer/Raven feud or the evolution of Taz have the same effect. They always seemed to be at least 3 steps ahead of WWF and WCW and I think that was the allure, that you were watching something new and different and awesome as it was unfolding....
Of course, that's going to be diminished watching it 10-15 years later....Good lord, I saw my first episode of ECW 16 years ago....now I feel old....
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Post by Judas Heyman on May 21, 2009 8:41:38 GMT -5
One of the reasons the original ECW didn't impress me is because of the crap production values they had. It looked very unprofessional. Once again....did Taz suffer from a 'bipolar disorder' gimmick wise.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2009 9:16:18 GMT -5
This topic had me going through my tape collection and watching some of the old shows. While many say "it don't hold up due to age", I think the real concern is: "we've seen stuff like this so many times in the years since, it became old hat".
Just like your clothes, favorite TV shows or whatever music you listen to. Times change and if something becomes popular, people like to copy it until it becomes run into the ground and made to feel useless. Then you develop a negative view of it.
I'll admit a lot of the lucha libre stuff and the garbage wrestling got old quick, and I find myself fast-forwarding through a lot of those matches. (You want to get some good sleep? Watch Public Enemy and the Bruise Brothers "brawl" throughout the arena. You could take a 15-minute nap and wake up not missing anything. And this is from a guy who liked TPE.)
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Post by Judas Heyman on May 22, 2009 7:11:06 GMT -5
This topic had me going through my tape collection and watching some of the old shows. While many say "it don't hold up due to age", I think the real concern is: "we've seen stuff like this so many times in the years since, it became old hat". Just like your clothes, favorite TV shows or whatever music you listen to. Times change and if something becomes popular, people like to copy it until it becomes run into the ground and made to feel useless. Then you develop a negative view of it. I'll admit a lot of the lucha libre stuff and the garbage wrestling got old quick, and I find myself fast-forwarding through a lot of those matches. (You want to get some good sleep? Watch Public Enemy and the Bruise Brothers "brawl" throughout the arena. You could take a 15-minute nap and wake up not missing anything. And this is from a guy who liked TPE.) Were The Bruise Brothers, the storyline sons of Bruiser Brody? I think that was a wrestlecrappy gimmick for the Harris Twins.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2009 9:58:15 GMT -5
I think they got their name in the USWA, so probably so. Memphis was good for linking people who looked somewhat similar to another person.
I could be wrong.
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