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Post by Judas Heyman on May 24, 2009 4:19:39 GMT -5
I loved ECW at the time but I don't really get much out of it now. but, I do get a kick how the ECW fans were all "we love hardcore!" yet cheered Sid when he appeared while booing the Bushwackers. If only they had known their history.... Thats a great point. I think Sid got the biggest pop in the history of ECW. Even if the Warrior had joined ECW after his horrible run in WCW he would've been accepted. Bottomline is that ECW fans always liked to see the big fish in the small bingo hall!
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Post by Judas Heyman on May 25, 2009 12:11:50 GMT -5
Just downloaded ECW Barely Legal and boy it is nothing compared to WCW PPV's of 1997. There's only one good match and thats the 6 man tag between the Michinoku Pro wrestlers. Still I dont get the point why so many smarks felt ECW was awesome in 97-98 when WCW blew ECW off in every way possible. Is it the Heyman cool aid....I dont knoooooow!
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Post by Supersmark is a Troll on May 25, 2009 12:32:39 GMT -5
I personally think, current ROH, is better than any show ECW put on.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on May 25, 2009 13:44:32 GMT -5
From 1995 to 1996, even into 1997, ECW was awesome. It showcased young talent nobody else was seeing in hot innovative storylines and doing things nobody else was doing at the time. Unfortunately their quality took a nosedive after their first PPV. Outside of those peak years ECW could be described as anywhere from mediocre to downright pitiful. I find their rather vocal following nowadays to be somewhat disturbing for a company that lasted less then a decade had so many more bad years then good.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 25, 2009 14:32:59 GMT -5
Just downloaded ECW Barely Legal and boy it is nothing compared to WCW PPV's of 1997. There's only one good match and thats the 6 man tag between the Michinoku Pro wrestlers. Still I dont get the point why so many smarks felt ECW was awesome in 97-98 when WCW blew ECW off in every way possible. Is it the Heyman cool aid....I dont knoooooow! that's Kool Aid! SPELL IT RIGHT! Anyway... the answer to the original question is yes. :-p
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Post by Judas Heyman on May 25, 2009 15:08:14 GMT -5
Just downloaded ECW Barely Legal and boy it is nothing compared to WCW PPV's of 1997. There's only one good match and thats the 6 man tag between the Michinoku Pro wrestlers. Still I dont get the point why so many smarks felt ECW was awesome in 97-98 when WCW blew ECW off in every way possible. Is it the Heyman cool aid....I dont knoooooow! that's Kool Aid! SPELL IT RIGHT! Anyway... the answer to the original question is yes. :-p That wasn't a typo...I did it on purpose to get some reaction. And whats the "Yes" for....for ECW being awesome or overrated?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 25, 2009 15:11:26 GMT -5
Yes, :-p
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 25, 2009 16:10:44 GMT -5
Just downloaded ECW Barely Legal and boy it is nothing compared to WCW PPV's of 1997. There's only one good match and thats the 6 man tag between the Michinoku Pro wrestlers. Still I dont get the point why so many smarks felt ECW was awesome in 97-98 when WCW blew ECW off in every way possible. Is it the Heyman cool aid....I dont knoooooow! I didn't think the Storm/RVD match was too bad, or the Taz/Sabu match. A lot of that ppv had to do with a lot of story lines coming to an end... -Sabu was working a lot in Japan and had a huge following, Taz got jealous and kept calling Sabu out knowing he wasn't in the arena. -Shane Douglas broke Gary Wolfe's neck (Pitbull 1), Pittbull 2 was finally gonna get his revenge. -The Triple Threat match was about Tommy Dreamer giving up his chance to get at Raven so Terry Funk could be a world champ once again, while Stevie Richards wanted to get revenge for years of abuse from Raven while Sandman still never got revenge for what Raven did to his family. From a story line prospective, it was a very satisfying ppv. From a wrestling perspective? I'd recommend Heatwave 98 or Anarchy Rulez 99.
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Post by ICBM on May 25, 2009 16:55:00 GMT -5
Over rated as far as it compared from top to bottom against it's peers. They never made a dime period. They'd have gone outta biz no matter what happened or how many fans came to the shows. There were good matches to go along with all the hardcore crap, there were good wrestlers and entertaining spots there but The production values were crap, most of the guys were sloppy in the ring, they couldn't keep the same line up of guys on the roster from week to week so there was rarley continuity
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Post by Judas Heyman on May 26, 2009 6:56:21 GMT -5
People say they never made a dime...but in the Rise and fall of ECW, Taz says that after Barely Legal they were making money.
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Post by Hiroshi Hase on May 26, 2009 12:36:01 GMT -5
They were making money but it's where the money went which was the problem, Heyman's backpocket more than likely.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on May 26, 2009 22:18:37 GMT -5
They were making money but it's where the money went which was the problem, Heyman's backpocket more than likely. Actually it's more likely the money they were making just wasn't enough to cover the overhead of the money they were spending to expand. You can't run a national promotion with a regular touring schedule in multi-thousand seat arenas, weekly television deal and an exclusive roster the same way you run a regional promotion running spot shows in front of a few hundred people in high school gyms and sport centers (and the occasional bingo hall). Its like trying to run a Walmart Supercenter the same way you run a 2 aisle mom-and-pop corner store. Thats what Heyman tried to do once they went to PPV. In the end something just had to give.
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Post by Judas Heyman on May 27, 2009 14:18:09 GMT -5
So if ECW had financial backup like TNA's Panda Energy....would it be still alive??? The answer is simply no. Even if ECW had toned down the violence, the E in the ECW told the story to the TV networks that this company was violent and always pushed the envelope because of that. So anyways without a TV deal, ECW would die quickly.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on May 28, 2009 22:03:58 GMT -5
Easy way I can describe ECW.
Take a top line computer 10 years ago, it won't stand up to computers now. Back then it was a great computer because it did things, while standard today, that no other computers did.
To really appreciate ECW you must reference it compared to every other promotion of that day. ECW revolutionized the entire industry in America. When looking at the era ECW rose in, I don't think it's possible to consider ECW even close to over-rated.
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Post by bob on May 29, 2009 5:53:14 GMT -5
original ECW was awesome and overrated
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Post by ToySoldier on May 29, 2009 7:50:52 GMT -5
I never got to watch ECW when it was alive but every thing I have seen say it was awesome.
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Post by Judas Heyman on May 30, 2009 9:08:56 GMT -5
Easy way I can describe ECW. Take a top line computer 10 years ago, it won't stand up to computers now. Back then it was a great computer because it did things, while standard today, that no other computers did. To really appreciate ECW you must reference it compared to every other promotion of that day. ECW revolutionized the entire industry in America. When looking at the era ECW rose in, I don't think it's possible to consider ECW even close to over-rated. You win the 'internet quote of the day'. I am really impressed by your witty answer. ;D
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Post by Judas Heyman on May 31, 2009 20:13:40 GMT -5
Is this the end of thread. I dont knoooooow!
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Post by Lupin the Third on May 31, 2009 20:36:34 GMT -5
I wasn't a fan of wrestling back in the day of prime ECW, but I've seen a few clips here and there. It seems like it was a half-way decent promotion. Not all extreme hardcore, but good story-telling and technical matches as well.
On the other hand, it did create controversy and spew some garbage. I think the main controversy that comes to mind for me is "The Crucifixion of the Sandman." I know Raven was just trying to get heat, but there's gotta be a line that needs to be drawn. Although there's a lot of crap that's just as bad if not worse than what Raven and Sandman did (Katie Vick, Eddiesploitation, Scott Hall's apparent "drunk character", McMahonism, the list goes on).
Also, like many have said before, "The Mass Transit Incident." I've never seen the clip, and to be honest, I don't know if I would be able to hand something like that. From the way people describe it, it just sounds bad.
But it was a starting place for some of the best talent in professional wrestling, so it can't be ignored into oblivion. Some probably had better matches than they did in WCW or WWF.
So, I'll give ECW the benefit of the doubt here.
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Post by The Scuba Guy on Jun 1, 2009 12:18:44 GMT -5
So if ECW had financial backup like TNA's Panda Energy....would it be still alive??? The answer is simply no. Even if ECW had toned down the violence, the E in the ECW told the story to the TV networks that this company was violent and always pushed the envelope because of that. So anyways without a TV deal, ECW would die quickly. Surely there'd be some kind of channel that would pick them up and give them freedom. Look at HDNet. They have Ring of Honor on their station, they were willing to give them a chance to show them what they have to offer. Plus, HDNet seems a lot more lenient, letting cuss words go uncensored, so I'm sure they would let them do their normal stuff. Then again, I don't know when HDNet was established amongst other important things, but I just figured there had to be a TV channel that would allow them on their network
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