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Post by Jester on Feb 23, 2010 4:39:39 GMT -5
G'bye Shawn. But the guys who don't like DX can be happy after 'Mania.
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Post by Jimichiro Likes Erick Rowan on Feb 23, 2010 4:58:14 GMT -5
If Taker loses, knowing me, I would probably protest WWE for the rest of my life. Maybe I'm taking it way too personally, but I cannot fathom the streak ending. Taker's won more matches at Mania than most guys will ever compete in most likely.
If Shawn loses, I lose one of the 3 reasons I watch WWE (the other 2 being Trips & Taker).
This is a lose-lose for me. The match will be amazing for sure, but I'm going to be unhappy, no matter the outcome.
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Post by Clarence "Showstealer" Mason on Feb 23, 2010 7:28:23 GMT -5
See? I don't even get where people will think this will be epic and greater than last year. Taker's a broken down shell of himself, Shawn's lost a step in my eyes recently. I hope I'm wrong but if you're looking at last year as the barometer I can't see this match doing anything other than suck
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Post by Totorob101 on Feb 23, 2010 7:32:39 GMT -5
Im convinced this will probably go to a time limit draw.Taker doesnt lose his streak and Shawn doesnt have to retire.Will be a great match no doubt.
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Post by i.Sarita.com on Feb 23, 2010 7:32:49 GMT -5
The streak is dumb. I hope HBK wins just so I never have to watch another WM-Streak build up.
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Post by randomranter on Feb 23, 2010 9:43:10 GMT -5
I still think Taker should win this one.
If the streak (which is still one of the selling points of Wrestlemania) ends, it's gone forever. No way of getting it back, and the legacy of it is forever tarnished.
If HBK "retires", he's........back in time for Summer Slam. Retirement is never permanent. Just ask Terry Funk. Or Ric Flair. Or Hulk Hogan. Or Mick Foley. I'm actually surprised to see so many people in this thread believe that there's even a remote possibility of HBK permanently retiring.
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Post by Robbymac on Feb 23, 2010 10:24:58 GMT -5
I'm on Team Shawn.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Feb 23, 2010 10:40:00 GMT -5
I'm just wonder why people think this would be a fake retirement. I mean the only guys I can think of that lost at Wrestlemania, who were forced to retire, was Ric Flair. The other was Foley by Triple H at some PPV. I think HBK has more class than Foley and doesn't need the money for those marriages/divorces/lawsuits like Flair. I think when he's done, he's done.
I'm expecting Taker, and I'm expecting the old dog to be put down. Hell I expect Taker to go after he hits 20-0.
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Post by spagett on Feb 23, 2010 10:40:33 GMT -5
That video promo they showed on Raw last night is incredible. Anything that uses a Kate Bush song is something I want to watch. The WWE can be criticised for many things but the promos the production team put together are always fantastic.
This is wrestling. Shawn won't retire for good if he loses which is why I think Undertaker will win again.
I don't think the streak should ever be broken so, as much as I have grown to love Shawn Michaels since he came back in 2002 after hating him in the 90's, I am in Team Undertaker.
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Post by THE Thrillionaire on Feb 23, 2010 10:42:44 GMT -5
hmm i'd mark if bret interfered cost shawn the ultimate payback
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Post by Robbymac on Feb 23, 2010 10:50:07 GMT -5
I'm just wonder why people think this would be a fake retirement. I mean the only guys I can think of that lost at Wrestlemania, who were forced to retire, was Ric Flair. The other was Foley by Triple H at some PPV. I think HBK has more class than Foley and doesn't need the money for those marriages/divorces/lawsuits like Flair. I think when he's done, he's done. I'm expecting Taker, and I'm expecting the old dog to be put down. Hell I expect Taker to go after he hits 20-0. Savage-Warrior WM VII. Savage was in the co-main event of the very next Mania.
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Post by randomranter on Feb 23, 2010 10:51:22 GMT -5
I'm just wonder why people think this would be a fake retirement. Because just about every retirement in the history of pro wrestling (not counting ones that were due to career-ending injury or advanced age) has ended up being fake. The Roddy Piper/Adrian Adonis match at WM3 was supposed to be Piper's retirement match, win lose or draw. Didn't happen. Terry Funk has retired 471300892 times. The Savage/Warrior match was supposed to be a retirement match, though that was entirely kayfabe. (This one very well might be too.) Michaels/Flair was supposed to be Flair's retirement match, and look how that turned out. Foley has had several retirement matches himself. Now we've got this. Granted, HBK is in a good financial situation, is almost guaranteed a backstage position if he wants it, and has hinted at retirement for several years. But if I were a betting man, my money would say that Michaels returns at least part-time within a year. See above. It's got nothing (entirely) to do with class. It's that "itch". Some just love to perform. Others can't seem to let go of the spotlight. Some others reconsider and think they've got "one more run". Or maybe Vince needs him to take a high profile spot next year or otherwise inject himself in some storyline. HBK may very well be legitimately considering retirement. But he may end up reconsidering in a month, six months, or a year. Or if Vince makes him an offer he can't refuse. I actually expect this to be his last Wrestlemania. At best, he might take a very long break and come back for next year's wrestlemania, but I don't expect him to finish off this year even working at the reduced schedule he currently works. But I expect the streak to remain intact.
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Post by N E O G E O B O Y S on Feb 23, 2010 10:52:17 GMT -5
The difference with savage, is that he was ''forced'' to retire, while shawn has claimed that he will retire soon the last 2 years
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Post by DavidArquette on Feb 23, 2010 11:01:54 GMT -5
Shawn will always be around in some way and this seems like the best time to hang up the boots once and for all. I'm fine with Michaels retiring, he's done it all and built up a huge legacy through the kliq, dx, his return and his ability to out perform pretty much everyone else on the card.
To me Undertaker's legacy is his Wrestlemania streak. No one really thinks about the titles he's won, he's best known for his overall status in WWE. A big part of that is the streak. The streak ending before Undertaker retires will just ruin his legacy. I have to go with Undertaker on this one.
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Post by eJm on Feb 23, 2010 11:18:44 GMT -5
Am I the only one here that is unimpressed with this matchup? I LOVED LOVED LOVED their encounter last year, and this match is guaranteed to be at least very good...but, the thing is, they don't need a rematch. Period. The WWE trying to recreate the magic of the last encounter - even with the career vs. streak stip to sweeten the pot - is bound to fail, sadly. Then again, I didn't watch RAW tonight, or the promo that made the match. But I'm still extremely meh over HBK/Taker 2, and truth be told, I would have much preferred Cena/Taker. I completly agree. I don't see the need for a rematch especially when the build for this is only slightly different from the build to the last match. It's also like this to me. Mania 25 needed that big time match to attract people. It wasn't going to be HHH/Orton or the triple threat, it was going to be HBK/Taker because it was a match a tonne of people were dying to see. For Mania this year, you have Cena/Batista, Bret/Vince, Edge/Jericho, you don't really need to have HBK/Taker because you already have a stacked card. HHH/HBK and Taker/Punk would be marquee matches and there's been alot more build for the former then HBK/Taker. And I personally think the Streak vs. Career thing is the cheapest thing that they could do to this fued and doesn't make me want to watch the match as much as I should be.
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Post by joeskvorecky on Feb 23, 2010 11:21:00 GMT -5
I'm just wonder why people think this would be a fake retirement. I mean the only guys I can think of that lost at Wrestlemania, who were forced to retire, was Ric Flair. The other was Foley by Triple H at some PPV. I think HBK has more class than Foley and doesn't need the money for those marriages/divorces/lawsuits like Flair. I think when he's done, he's done. I'm expecting Taker, and I'm expecting the old dog to be put down. Hell I expect Taker to go after he hits 20-0. Please explain your conclusion.
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Post by randomranter on Feb 23, 2010 11:32:55 GMT -5
Am I the only one here that is unimpressed with this matchup? I LOVED LOVED LOVED their encounter last year, and this match is guaranteed to be at least very good...but, the thing is, they don't need a rematch. Period. The WWE trying to recreate the magic of the last encounter - even with the career vs. streak stip to sweeten the pot - is bound to fail, sadly. Then again, I didn't watch RAW tonight, or the promo that made the match. But I'm still extremely meh over HBK/Taker 2, and truth be told, I would have much preferred Cena/Taker. I completly agree. I don't see the need for a rematch especially when the build for this is only slightly different from the build to the last match. It's also like this to me. Mania 25 needed that big time match to attract people. It wasn't going to be HHH/Orton or the triple threat, it was going to be HBK/Taker because it was a match a tonne of people were dying to see. For Mania this year, you have Cena/Batista, Bret/Vince, Edge/Jericho, you don't really need to have HBK/Taker because you already have a stacked card. HHH/HBK and Taker/Punk would be marquee matches and there's been alot more build for the former then HBK/Taker. And I personally think the Streak vs. Career thing is the cheapest thing that they could do to this fued and doesn't make me want to watch the match as much as I should be. I actually think they were doing just as good or better at building up HHH/HBK than they were HBK/Taker II. And while I know we've seen HHH/HBK before, we haven't seen it in nearly a decade, and we've never seen it at Wrestlemania. We just saw HBK/Taker last year. And they could have gone with Taker/Punk or even Taker/Sheamus.
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Post by eJm on Feb 23, 2010 12:03:23 GMT -5
I completly agree. I don't see the need for a rematch especially when the build for this is only slightly different from the build to the last match. It's also like this to me. Mania 25 needed that big time match to attract people. It wasn't going to be HHH/Orton or the triple threat, it was going to be HBK/Taker because it was a match a tonne of people were dying to see. For Mania this year, you have Cena/Batista, Bret/Vince, Edge/Jericho, you don't really need to have HBK/Taker because you already have a stacked card. HHH/HBK and Taker/Punk would be marquee matches and there's been alot more build for the former then HBK/Taker. And I personally think the Streak vs. Career thing is the cheapest thing that they could do to this fued and doesn't make me want to watch the match as much as I should be. I actually think they were doing just as good or better at building up HHH/HBK than they were HBK/Taker II. And while I know we've seen HHH/HBK before, we haven't seen it in nearly a decade, and we've never seen it at Wrestlemania. We just saw HBK/Taker last year. And they could have gone with Taker/Punk or even Taker/Sheamus. Watching that video, which was still damn good by the way, I saw the foundations for HHH/HBK with HHH saying 'You're desperate for this, Shawn. Why are you risking your career?' etc and you could very easily have had the same senario except Taker says No and have a World tag title match the next week with HBK SCM'ing HHH and starting the ball rolling or something like that. Taker/Sheamus I was personally rooting for but Taker/Punk seemed more logical. Stick Mysterio in the MITB match and you'd have one hell of a card there.
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Post by wrestlecrapcrap on Feb 23, 2010 13:00:25 GMT -5
It's going to be amazing. When HBK first teased the match again, I really didn't want them to tarnish WM25, but with this stipulation, it's put it over the top.
Shawn isn't going to be back for Summerslam this year. He wants to retire. He has no money troubles, and he has said he actually wants to call it quits, rather than having the incurable itch to perform, it's Vince that keeps him on because he's just so good.
Maybe he'll wrestle other matches in the future, as one time deals, but I really doubt we are ever going to see HBK 'on the road', with any sort of schedule with the company ever again after Mania. Unless it's in a non-wrestling capacity. If he wants to spend time with his family, he can now do so. If he wants to stay in the business and get a backstage job, he can do so. But he wants to retire.
Either way, the match will be epic.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Feb 23, 2010 13:11:40 GMT -5
I'm just wonder why people think this would be a fake retirement. I mean the only guys I can think of that lost at Wrestlemania, who were forced to retire, was Ric Flair. The other was Foley by Triple H at some PPV. I think HBK has more class than Foley and doesn't need the money for those marriages/divorces/lawsuits like Flair. I think when he's done, he's done. I'm expecting Taker, and I'm expecting the old dog to be put down. Hell I expect Taker to go after he hits 20-0. Please explain your conclusion. Just a guess. I don't think HBK will be around forever, neither will Taker. There's nothing left for either guy to do, so I see one going out this year, and the other the next.
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