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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Feb 20, 2010 1:33:12 GMT -5
No shame at all in being a solid midcard guy. I've never understood the mentality that there is.
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Post by BxB on Feb 20, 2010 1:35:22 GMT -5
No shame at all in being a solid midcard guy. I've never understood the mentality that there is. Bingo. Not everyone is supposed to be groomed into a main-eventer. Yeah Hardy has his share of fans, but can he really pull off being a main-eventer night in and night out? I don't think so. He's just fine where he is, a reliable mid-carder that can make the crowd pop.
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Post by sonicreducer on Feb 20, 2010 1:54:14 GMT -5
So, someone want to pinpoint Matt's best match not involving either Jeff Hardy, Edge or Christian?
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Post by Janitor From Mars on Feb 20, 2010 2:02:15 GMT -5
Shawn did however win the strap and so did Jeff. As I said, a terrible comparison. Really, the only reason the Rockers are compared to the Hardys is because both were high-flyers with teenie-bopper fans. It's a pretty shallow example. You could easily compare Shawn with Matt, as Matt STILL has a job while Marty, like Jeff, blew numerous chances. And Matt, like Shawn, was better worker. More importantly, Matt, like Shawn, still as a job. Again, it's a BAD comparison. But like Marty, Matt has never held a major strap. It's not that terrible of a comparison. Would love to see Matt win a major strap so I can eat my hat.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Feb 20, 2010 5:19:51 GMT -5
If he can get back into shape, he should be able to move around a whole lot better. This wasn't that long ago that he moved around like this:
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Post by The Tank on Feb 20, 2010 5:24:52 GMT -5
So, someone want to pinpoint Matt's best match not involving either Jeff Hardy, Edge or Christian? His series with MVP was pretty damn good.
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Post by lunataxc on Feb 20, 2010 9:28:06 GMT -5
So, someone want to pinpoint Matt's best match not involving either Jeff Hardy, Edge or Christian? His series with MVP was pretty damn good. Yeah all thanks to MVP who carried the charisma challenged Matt Hardy. All that feud proved was how entertaining MVP is. People just have to accept the fact that Matt doesn't have "it". As far as the argument of him being over. Oh please the pop he gets is do to the fact that he's a veteran from the "Attitude Era". Has got nothing to do with how over he is. The E can bring anybody from the "Attitude Era" who made a few splashes and get the same crowd reaction. You could put Scotty 2 Hotty in his place and their be no difference. Although I think Scotty might go a little higher since he's actually entertaining.
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Post by Haulk on Feb 20, 2010 9:50:46 GMT -5
Last week on Smackdown, his "Valentine" was Maria..on top of that he's still teaming with the second coming of Giant Gonzales. You all have to admit that he deserves better than what he's getting. Edge ascended to main Event status..why can't he? Because Matt does not have the qualities to be a main eventer, other than being reliable and trusted.
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Post by Greer on Feb 20, 2010 10:30:36 GMT -5
His series with MVP was pretty damn good. Yeah all thanks to MVP who carried the charisma challenged Matt Hardy. All that feud proved was how entertaining MVP is. People just have to accept the fact that Matt doesn't have "it". As far as the argument of him being over. Oh please the pop he gets is do to the fact that he's a veteran from the "Attitude Era". Has got nothing to do with how over he is. The E can bring anybody from the "Attitude Era" who made a few splashes and get the same crowd reaction. You could put Scotty 2 Hotty in his place and their be no difference. Although I think Scotty might go a little higher since he's actually entertaining. Sorry but that is absolutely false. These fans can't remember what happened a year ago. I Highly doubt they remember anything Attitude related. They barely pop for Austin,Bret or Rock these days when mentioned or make guest appearances. Most of the fans now started watching post Attitude since most of the Attitude era fans left due to bad product, loss of interest and just being a fan at the time because it was cool. Watch any gimmick battle royal from post 2003 and the fans don't care or remember anyone Attitude related. Beside people love JoMo, but I will have to show this GREAT promo again sadly... Because that says "it" guy doesn't it?
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Post by lunataxc on Feb 20, 2010 11:13:48 GMT -5
Sorry but that is absolutely false. These fans can't remember what happened a year ago. I Highly doubt they remember anything Attitude related. They barely pop for Austin,Bret or Rock these days when mentioned or make guest appearances. I could understand Bret since he wasn't part of the Attitude Era. He was just their in the beginning and then left. To do nothing in WCW. But saying Austin and the Rock don't get huge pops in the era Beside people love JoMo, but I will have to show this GREAT promo again sadly... Because that says "it" guy doesn't it? Thats nice but what this Morrison got to the with this guy. I know both guys have long hair and both their former tag team partners has outshined them. But still thats like comparing a Ferrari to a Pickup Truck.
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Post by Greer on Feb 20, 2010 11:35:25 GMT -5
The Rock pop is kinda flawed because Smackdown is taped and does have piped in crow noises all the time. I'm not saying he didn't recieve that pop for real...but with taped shows, one never knows.
The Austin pop is legit I will admit but saying that Matt Hardy recieves pops because he is from the Attitude era ALONE is a very bold statement. Matt is over for many reasons which include having the Hardy last name, being the every man sorta wrestler, and he, I think, is also viewed as an underdog type character.
You can't just throw out any old Attitude era slug and expect them to get cheered.
I compare Morrison and Hardy because on the boards and throughout the IWC, Morrison supposedly has "it" while Matt does not. Seem like carbon copies. I don't wanna hear about looks either because I don't care how you look...if you are boring, then you are boring. Hardy Version 1.0 however did have "it" until the character was just buried.
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Post by lunataxc on Feb 20, 2010 11:57:40 GMT -5
The Rock pop is kinda flawed because Smackdown is taped and does have piped in crow noises all the time. I'm not saying he didn't recieve that pop for real...but with taped shows, one never knows. The video was from Raw, the title of the video even says so. The Austin pop is legit I will admit but saying that Matt Hardy recieves pops because he is from the Attitude era ALONE is a very bold statement. Matt is over for many reasons which include having the Hardy last name, being the every man sorta wrestler, and he, I think, is also viewed as an underdog type character. Yeah you keep telling me that but I still see Matt lingering in the midcard. Tag teaming with a guy whose way more over than him. Just because he kisses people. He even had the luck of real life event made into a storyline. Where people were strongly behind. What did he do with that. Well he came up with this The only thing great that come out from that promo. Was that it made Edge into the greatest most entertaining wrestler of this era. You can't just throw out any old Attitude era slug and expect them to get cheered. Hey thats how Jeff Hardy found success. He showed up out of nowhere after all those years gets a big pop and several pushes later he's in the main event scene. I compare Morrison and Hardy because on the boards and throughout the IWC, Morrison supposedly has "it" while Matt does not. Seem like carbon copies. I don't wanna hear about looks either because I don't care how you look...if you are boring, then you are boring. Carbon Copies? When has Morrison butchered a promo and wrestled standard boring matches? Sorry but Morrison hasn't bored me one bit. Hardy Version 1.0 however did have "it" until the character was just buried. The character wasn't buried its popularity died out. Thats what happens when your entrance is the only entertaining thing about your character. Just ask Gangrel.
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Post by JDviant on Feb 20, 2010 12:02:34 GMT -5
So, someone want to pinpoint Matt's best match not involving either Jeff Hardy, Edge or Christian? He had a good match with Orton on RAW a year or two back, and wasn't his Mysterio mania match pretty good during V.1?
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Post by Greer on Feb 20, 2010 12:27:03 GMT -5
My error with the Rock vid. I was thinking it was his promo on the anniversary show. I stand corrected. I assumed what it was too soon.
However when it comes to them being carbon copies, I don't neccesarily mean in ring work. I have not seen one Morrison promo that made me go...wow this guy is going places. He is stiff, seems nervous and awkward on the mic. I love what he can do in the ring...but that's not everything. Rock was not the greatest "wrestler" but that did not matter because he was entetaining.
The Dirt Sheet argument doesn't hold up either because you had Miz their for support. On his own, he looks absolutely lost when a mic is anywhere near his face.
I am not justifying Matt Hardy deserving a push. I would say he is a solid mid carder and a solid performer but to say Version 1.0 died out because of Matt is ridiculous. They never did anything else with the character or give it nearly enough exposure. Hardy at that time was doing very well and I thought cut far better promos than anything JoMo has ever done on his own.
Nowadays we have guys shoved down our throat who have nothing going for them. Version 1.0 had a great gimmick and they just never followed up on it.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Feb 20, 2010 12:47:52 GMT -5
Matt is lucky he's not wrestling in a pink tutu and glittery tiara. I'd mark.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Feb 20, 2010 12:59:31 GMT -5
My error with the Rock vid. I was thinking it was his promo on the anniversary show. I stand corrected. I assumed what it was too soon. However when it comes to them being carbon copies, I don't neccesarily mean in ring work. I have not seen one Morrison promo that made me go...wow this guy is going places. He is stiff, seems nervous and awkward on the mic. I love what he can do in the ring...but that's not everything. Rock was not the greatest "wrestler" but that did not matter because he was entetaining. The Dirt Sheet argument doesn't hold up either because you had Miz their for support. On his own, he looks absolutely lost when a mic is anywhere near his face. I am not justifying Matt Hardy deserving a push. I would say he is a solid mid carder and a solid performer but to say Version 1.0 died out because of Matt is ridiculous. They never did anything else with the character or give it nearly enough exposure. Hardy at that time was doing very well and I thought cut far better promos than anything JoMo has ever done on his own. Nowadays we have guys shoved down our throat who have nothing going for them. Version 1.0 had a great gimmick and they just never followed up on it. I haven't watched in quite awhile but Morrison gave a GREAT promo during the build up to his match with Miz at Bragging Rights. If nothing else, that proves he can execute on the mic. You act like Morrison is terrible on the mic while all Matt Hardy needs is a good gimmick and he will suddenly be an entertaining promo. Matt was given a real life hot angle and couldn't cut a good promo. The best he could come up with is that he hopes his opponent dies in a car accident. What? We also all saw how entertaining and great as a heel Matt was during the Hardy vs. Hardy angle.
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Post by lunataxc on Feb 20, 2010 13:09:42 GMT -5
The Dirt Sheet argument doesn't hold up either because you had Miz their for support. On his own, he looks absolutely lost when a mic is anywhere near his face. Didn't say anything about the Dirt Sheet. I was talking about promos like this See all those different words he used. Way better than shouting "Mattitude" like some retard througout the entire promo. Just to hide his limited vocabulary. I am not justifying Matt Hardy deserving a push. I would say he is a solid mid carder and a solid performer but to say Version 1.0 died out because of Matt is ridiculous. They never did anything else with the character or give it nearly enough exposure. Meh excuses, Austin and The Rock didn't have great gimmicks right off the bat. Didn't stop them from becoming what they are. Its always depends on the person. The gimmick can only get you so far. Hardy at that time was doing very well and I thought cut far better promos than anything JoMo has ever done on his own. Don't remember a single memorable promo coming out of Matts mouth at that time. Every conversation I've had involving V1 all involve the "Matt Facts" during the entrance. The Smackdown DVD even put it as a memorable moment. That their proves that the "Entrance" was what made the gimmick. Not Matts crappy promo skills.
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Post by I Like Your Poetry on Feb 20, 2010 13:15:31 GMT -5
My error with the Rock vid. I was thinking it was his promo on the anniversary show. I stand corrected. I assumed what it was too soon. However when it comes to them being carbon copies, I don't neccesarily mean in ring work. I have not seen one Morrison promo that made me go...wow this guy is going places. He is stiff, seems nervous and awkward on the mic. I love what he can do in the ring...but that's not everything. Rock was not the greatest "wrestler" but that did not matter because he was entetaining. The Dirt Sheet argument doesn't hold up either because you had Miz their for support. On his own, he looks absolutely lost when a mic is anywhere near his face. I am not justifying Matt Hardy deserving a push. I would say he is a solid mid carder and a solid performer but to say Version 1.0 died out because of Matt is ridiculous. They never did anything else with the character or give it nearly enough exposure. Hardy at that time was doing very well and I thought cut far better promos than anything JoMo has ever done on his own. Nowadays we have guys shoved down our throat who have nothing going for them. Version 1.0 had a great gimmick and they just never followed up on it. I haven't watched in quite awhile but Morrison gave a GREAT promo during the build up to his match with Miz at Bragging Rights. If nothing else, that proves he can execute on the mic. You act like Morrison is terrible on the mic while all Matt Hardy needs is a good gimmick and he will suddenly be an entertaining promo. Matt was given a real life hot angle and couldn't cut a good promo. The best he could come up with is that he hopes his opponent dies in a car accident. What? We also all saw how entertaining and great as a heel Matt was during the Hardy vs. Hardy angle. His jacket got more heel heat than him.
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Post by Greer on Feb 20, 2010 13:17:34 GMT -5
The Dirt Sheet argument doesn't hold up either because you had Miz their for support. On his own, he looks absolutely lost when a mic is anywhere near his face. Didn't say anything about the Dirt Sheet. I was talking about promos like this See all those different words he used. Way better than shouting "Mattitude" like some retard througout the whole promo. The words were great... The delivery, not so much. He literally sounded like he was just reading that off of a card. Sounded like bad voice over work from a Smackdown vs Raw game. If that's his best...he's got a long way to go.
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Post by lunataxc on Feb 20, 2010 13:26:32 GMT -5
Didn't say anything about the Dirt Sheet. I was talking about promos like this See all those different words he used. Way better than shouting "Mattitude" like some retard througout the whole promo. The words were great... The delivery, not so much. He literally sounded like he was just reading that off of a card. Sounded like bad voice over work from a Smackdown vs Raw game. If that's his best...he's got a long way to go. Meh he's light years ahead compared to Matt Hardy whose been in WWE for how long? Oh yeah when it was still called WWF. Man thats really pathetic. Morrison is already scratching to stardom and Matt despite numerous pushes can't even scratch the surface of the upper midcard. I mean even Benoit got to the main event and he didn't need some fancy entrance or some lame catch phrase. Or the ability to cut an entertaining promo.
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