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Post by Crazy Diamond on Feb 20, 2010 13:37:42 GMT -5
Because they will push who they want to in the WWE no matter what. If they wanted Matt Hardy to be a main-eventer they would have given him more chances to get over like they did for Edge.
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Post by Greer on Feb 20, 2010 13:41:13 GMT -5
Hey like I said, I'm not trying to say that Matt deserves to be world champion or a main eventer at this point. It's too late for that.
But did you ever think he is possibly lingering in the lower-mid card because of his brother's actions over the years. They can't take it out on Jeff, so who's left?
Like someone said about how he is lucky he isn't wearing a dress and tiara, a reason for his stagnant movement on the card can be associated with the actions of Jeff. Vince McMahon can be very petty and I wouldn't be surprised if Matt is in the dog house pretty much long term at this point.
That's not excusing pre-2008 and 2009, but I'm sure he wasn't let off easy because of Jeff's screw ups.
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Post by deucendomino15 on Feb 20, 2010 13:46:07 GMT -5
we've already seen matt go as far as he can. he had his chance in his heel run to go further but it didn't happen. the best thing that can happen to his career is for jeff to join up with him one more time. a series of matches with deuce n domino owuld be sweet.
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Post by taylorandborland on Feb 20, 2010 13:47:24 GMT -5
Because they will push who they want to in the WWE no matter what. If they wanted Matt Hardy to be a main-eventer they would have given him more chances to get over like they did for Edge. You know what I think about Edge, but let's not act like Matt didn't JUST come off of an attempt to get people to take him serious. He just isn't worth anything without Jeff
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Post by Greer on Feb 20, 2010 13:48:20 GMT -5
we've already seen matt go as far as he can. he had his chance in his heel run to go further but it didn't happen. the best thing that can happen to his career is for jeff to join up with him one more time. a series of matches with deuce n domino owuld be sweet. I thought I told you deuce and domino marks to stay off my lawn!
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Post by deucendomino15 on Feb 20, 2010 13:55:01 GMT -5
hey,WATCH YOUR MOUTH! lol... nah, seriously i've never seen so many dnd fans. guess a place like this which seems to cater to the open minded fan who just wants to be entertained would be the place you'd find em though.
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Post by slickster on Feb 20, 2010 14:18:47 GMT -5
But like Marty, Matt has never held a major strap. It's not that terrible of a comparison. Would love to see Matt win a major strap so I can eat my hat.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Feb 20, 2010 14:50:08 GMT -5
I am not justifying Matt Hardy deserving a push. I would say he is a solid mid carder and a solid performer but to say Version 1.0 died out because of Matt is ridiculous. They never did anything else with the character or give it nearly enough exposure. Hardy at that time was doing very well and I thought cut far better promos than anything JoMo has ever done on his own. Sadly, V1 waned a couple of times and usually it was due to things outside of his control. 1) V1 worked because the WWE writers did not care enough about Matt to write stuff for him. He asked if he could put together stuff for himself if they would not write for him, and they dismissingly said "yes". Matt proved that he could write entertaining things for himself, and then the writers liked the character enough that they wanted to write for him. The writers sucked at writing V1 stuff because it was outside their norm. 2) Matt's angle and feud with Rey was very good, and it actually made Rey's winning of the CW title mean something (which considering the WWE's history with CWs, that is actually saying something. Because he did so good with Rey, they wanted him to do the same with Zach Gowen. Honestly, it could have been a goldmine for them if they had done it right, but Zach was not really suited for the role and it dragged down anything associated with him, including V1. 3) Since V1 had lost momentum on SD, they went ahead and did Matt a favor by moving him to Raw so he could travel with Lita. They showed a little promise of a different dynamic between the two, but then Lita upset Vince McMahon again. Just like every other time that someone associated with Matt gets in trouble, they took it out on Matt. He went on a long losing streak that did not end until Matt got Lita to swallow her pride and apologize to Vince. Honestly, how many times has he been punished for someone else's actions? 4) V1 was pretty much altered to make him a face that feuded with Kane to protect Lita. Then he got injured. Then Edge and Lita got it on, and the silliness of the V1 character had no relevance whatsoever.
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Post by lunataxc on Feb 21, 2010 1:54:28 GMT -5
But did you ever think he is possibly lingering in the lower-mid card because of his brother's actions over the years. They can't take it out on Jeff, so who's left? Like someone said about how he is lucky he isn't wearing a dress and tiara, a reason for his stagnant movement on the card can be associated with the actions of Jeff. Vince McMahon can be very petty and I wouldn't be surprised if Matt is in the dog house pretty much long term at this point. That's not excusing pre-2008 and 2009, but I'm sure he wasn't let off easy because of Jeff's screw ups. First you blame the WWE, then you blame V1 ending, and now your blaming his brother. Who was fired and suspended many times. And now it looks like he's going to jail. Bah like I said excuses. He's had his shot more than once. He's where he's at because thats how far he can go.
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Post by JMA on Feb 21, 2010 3:35:28 GMT -5
He's where he's at because thats how far he can go. I'm sorry, I wasn't aware you could see the future.
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Post by lunataxc on Feb 21, 2010 3:45:35 GMT -5
He's where he's at because thats how far he can go. I'm sorry, I wasn't aware you could see the future. No I didn't see the future. Because Matt Hardy has none Only time he'll be relevant is when his brother comes back. Which won't be happening anytime soon.
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Post by Greer on Feb 21, 2010 6:40:28 GMT -5
But did you ever think he is possibly lingering in the lower-mid card because of his brother's actions over the years. They can't take it out on Jeff, so who's left? Like someone said about how he is lucky he isn't wearing a dress and tiara, a reason for his stagnant movement on the card can be associated with the actions of Jeff. Vince McMahon can be very petty and I wouldn't be surprised if Matt is in the dog house pretty much long term at this point. That's not excusing pre-2008 and 2009, but I'm sure he wasn't let off easy because of Jeff's screw ups. First you blame the WWE, then you blame V1 ending, and now your blaming his brother. Who was fired and suspended many times. And now it looks like he's going to jail. Bah like I said excuses. He's had his shot more than once. He's where he's at because thats how far he can go. Incorrect. I'm blaming the WWE FOR ending version 1 and punishing him because of his brother. That blame all goes to the WWE, not individual things. I am not justifying him getting some huge main event super push. I am aware he has had A chance. Honestly I have seen guys given more chances to succeed though. The fact still remains is, he is over. Entrance music is not the reason. If the fans wanna cheer you, they will cheer you. If they don't want to, they won't.
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Post by skiller on Feb 21, 2010 6:46:42 GMT -5
I don't know. If Matt used this gem instead, he might not get quite the same electric reactions.
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Post by Schattenjager on Feb 21, 2010 12:16:25 GMT -5
Do you people actually have any proof that Matt is being punished because of Jeff? I just don't see why. Jeff is an adult capable of making his own decisions. Why on earth would they be punishing Matt for whatever Jeff decided to with his life?
Anybody care to elaborate?
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Feb 21, 2010 17:09:10 GMT -5
Do you people actually have any proof that Matt is being punished because of Jeff? I just don't see why. Jeff is an adult capable of making his own decisions. Why on earth would they be punishing Matt for whatever Jeff decided to with his life? Anybody care to elaborate? It is fairly obvious at times. Let us take that last arrest of Jeff's as an example: 1) Matt makes his return as a face that has made his peace somehow with Jeff. 2) Matt spends a few weeks main eventing Smackdown with CM Punk. Sure, he was losing, but he was taking the champion to the limit being made to look good in the process, forcing the champ to cheat to beat him. 3) Jeff gets arrested. 4) Matt disappears from TV for a month. 5) Upon his return, Matt is jobbing to midcarders for 2 straight months. Basically, he was being shown to be on nearly even grounds with the champ at the time, disappears instantly upon his brothers arrest, and upon his eventual return was jobbing to jobbers. Is that official by any means? No, but most would say that the timing was way too unfortunate for his massive shift in opportunity to be a coincidence. That, and he has even gone on record before stating that he had been punished for Lita's mistakes (which ended instantly after Lita apologized to Vince personally), so they have an established history of punishing him for other's actions.
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Post by hajimenoippo on Feb 21, 2010 17:16:36 GMT -5
think being maria's on screen bf is a good thing, as is teaming with khali who is one of the most over guys on the roster. It's not like he's even losing matches he and khali are 2 popular faces with nothing to do
he should really do a doomsday sideeffect from a guy off of khali's shoulders
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Post by Widow's Peak on Feb 21, 2010 17:20:47 GMT -5
I always shake my head at the theory that the only reason that Matt isn't main eventing is because he's the innocent victim of other people's mistakes.
Matt is a very solid, hard working guy who is excellent at making other people look good, so this is why he so often jobs to others. Unfortunately for him, he doesn't have the look or the charisma to rise above the mid card even if his brother were a boy scout or he only dated candidates for sainthood.
He deserves better than to be tagging with Kahli, but you could say that of anyone. He's a popular guy who makes others look good, so he's a good utility guy to have around. He's basically in the same position as Kane, and there's really nothing wrong with that.
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Post by hajimenoippo on Feb 21, 2010 17:34:35 GMT -5
Again i see nothing wrong in tagging with khali who is basically in his same position except he stands out for being a freak
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Post by Krimzon on Feb 21, 2010 19:17:06 GMT -5
There's a heel IC Champion. No reason why Matt should be stuck with Khali. Yeah Khali is over, but so is Hornswoggle. That doesn't mean much in terms of another person's career. Chavo will never recover. Ever. Still hope for Matt, but he has to break away from Khali eventually.
This Matt Hardy is clearly not the same Matt Hardy we saw in 2006/2007. Back then, I seriously thought they could pull the trigger and give him the WHC due to match quality & overness alone. We get that Matt back, things will only improve.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Feb 21, 2010 19:31:23 GMT -5
I always shake my head at the theory that the only reason that Matt isn't main eventing is because he's the innocent victim of other people's mistakes. Matt is a very solid, hard working guy who is excellent at making other people look good, so this is why he so often jobs to others. Unfortunately for him, he doesn't have the look or the charisma to rise above the mid card even if his brother were a boy scout or he only dated candidates for sainthood. He deserves better than to be tagging with Kahli, but you could say that of anyone. He's a popular guy who makes others look good, so he's a good utility guy to have around. He's basically in the same position as Kane, and there's really nothing wrong with that. Oh, it isn't the only reason that he is not in the main event, but it sure as hell does not help. There have been times that he finally started getting some traction only to have his push altered because Jeff or Lita did something that someone did not like. Then again, he has had his momentum killed by every day life. Not only has he been punished for other's actions, but he seems to get injured at the most inopportune times as well.
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